What to make of "the rest of the Beasts" and "a season and a time."

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, breathoflife said:

The first 6 chapters are historical

the last 6 are prophetic

don’t you think that should have some bearing

on your interpretation? If not why?

I disagree: the ROCK hewn out of the mountain and His kingdom is not history.

The feet with iron mingled with clay is not history. 

What was your point?

[Sister]

13 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Sister, how do you know that the Little Horn is the False Prophet and NOT the first Beast of Revelation?

 

 Iamlamad

I know because the first beast in Rev is the "kingdom" of the 10 kings.

Revelation 13:1   And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Focus on the 10 horns.

The 10 horns stands for authority.  There are seven kingdoms throughout history that made a huge impact in the world.  The 10 kings come out of the seventh head....the last kingdom to exist when Christ returns.  All the kingdoms before it have lost their dominance on the world stage.

So this first beast rules out a single man, because it is revealing the 10 kings who are working together.  Out of their kingdom in the end times, he will come.

There is only one little horn, one false prophet, and one son of perdition.  They are all the same person.

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How can the other beasts represent nations when Daniel wrote, " These great beasts, which are four, are four kings "

Not only kings, but nations and people are seen as beasts in God's eyes.  God sees this world as a jungle/wilderness.  Dog eat dog. The strong eat the weak.   It's the law of the jungle.  Man acts like an animal. He has forgotten his creator.  He disregards the law of the Lord and acts like a wild beast, uncontrolled and performing things against human nature, serving whoever will feed him.  All have become like animals on heat chasing after fleshly lusts.  No reasoning.  No guilt. No compassion. Blood thirsty, and forever trying to climb the ladder in this jungle.  That's how I see it.

Remember Darius, the Lion?  A man's heart was given to him.  Before that he had a beast's heart. He was worshiping pagan gods and whatever their beliefs and traditions were, it would of been against what God intended for man to conduct himself. God sees all inside man's heart and is disgusted in what mankind has done.  All the ungodly are seen as beasts.  Some strong and some weak.  Some are individuals and some are kingdoms and nations.  Together they are all seen as beasts.  Without law and order.

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, Sister said:

 Iamlamad

I know because the first beast in Rev is the "kingdom" of the 10 kings.

Revelation 13:1   And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Focus on the 10 horns.

The 10 horns stands for authority.  There are seven kingdoms throughout history that made a huge impact in the world.  The 10 kings come out of the seventh head....the last kingdom to exist when Christ returns.  All the kingdoms before it have lost their dominance on the world stage.

So this first beast rules out a single man, because it is revealing the 10 kings who are working together.  Out of their kingdom in the end times, he will come.

There is only one little horn, one false prophet, and one son of perdition.  They are all the same person.

Not only kings, but nations and people are seen as beasts in God's eyes.  God sees this world as a jungle/wilderness.  Dog eat dog. The strong eat the weak.   It's the law of the jungle.  Man acts like an animal. He has forgotten his creator.  He disregards the law of the Lord and acts like a wild beast, uncontrolled and performing things against human nature, serving whoever will feed him.  All have become like animals on heat chasing after fleshly lusts.  No reasoning.  No guilt. No compassion. Blood thirsty, and forever trying to climb the ladder in this jungle.  That's how I see it.

Remember Darius, the Lion?  A man's heart was given to him.  Before that he had a beast's heart. He was worshiping pagan gods and whatever their beliefs and traditions were, it would of been against what God intended for man to conduct himself. God sees all inside man's heart and is disgusted in what mankind has done.  All the ungodly are seen as beasts.  Some strong and some weak.  Some are individuals and some are kingdoms and nations.  Together they are all seen as beasts.  Without law and order.

this first beast rules out a single man, because it is revealing the 10 kings who are working together.

Rev. 17:12  And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.  Do you know when this is in relation to the 70th week? It is very late in the week, just before the week ends. These ten are to represent the nations of the world that the evil spirits are sent (at the 6th vial) to persuade them to attack Israel.  So yes, they do work together, but this is after the days of GT are finished.

Remember in Daniel how the Little horn takes out three kings of ten, which leaves 7?  These ten are what the Beast begins with - so a different set of "ten."

There is only one little horn, one false prophet, and one son of perdition.  They are all the same person. Wrong. Simply mistaken: there are TWO "little Horns." One in Dan. 8 is to represent Antiochus.

Agreed: that is only one False prophet. It is the first beast that is the Son of Perdition.  

You still have not made an argument why the little horn is the False prophet; I think the vast majority of people associate the Little Horn with the Antichrist Beast - the first beast from the sea.

So this first beast rules out a single man, because it is revealing the 10 kings who are working together.  I disagree: the Beast in Rev. 13 is later identified with the false prophet as two men who are then cast into the lake of fire.  However, this "king" as the first beast will certainly have 7 nations under Him (10-3 = 7)

[breathoflife]

The Church is raptured

In Israel a man begins preparing the way for who he claims is the Messiah, he appears to be Elijah the Prophet

The man not only is proclaiming the coming Messiah he is doing miracles, lying signs and wonders.

He appears to be Elijah but it is the beast known as the false prophet. 

People all over Israel are beginning to follow this false prophet not realizing  the great delusion that is begun playing out in the land.

The Aliyah, the Return to the Land has begun. The Jewish people scattered around the world are returning because of things taking place with the false prophet Elijah.

This false Elijah is claiming the Messiah is going to return and that he will do  so on the temple mount and prove to everyone he is God. 

The false prophet Elijah has challenged every religion to come and prove their God is the true God. 

All the religions of the world have assembled on the mount  with dignitaries of their particular religion. 

All the worlds news media has come to make the coverage known instantly around the world. 

None of the religions are able to do anything that proves they have anything they worship that is not make believe 

The false Elijah now has the temple mount to himself and the people are now at a fever pitch  with expectation running off the chart. The people want the Messiah.

The false prophet begins praying for the Messiah to come and make himself known as the one true God. Suddenly something like a bolt of lightening comes down from heaven looking like it was a bolt of lightening 

The fire from heaven has not only confirmed that this is the one true God but the fire from Heaven is the Shekinah Glory and the fire is what must be possessed for temple worship to begin. 

The restored Levitical Priesthood is ready to begin the temple service with the fire from heaven. With the fire from heaven once more burning the cleansing with the blood sacrifices are offered. 

The Jewish people have all left their homes headed for the temple mount. The celebration has begun. 

The one who came as the Shekinah Glory is going to present himself at the temple and claim it as his own. The people believe it is the Messiah but it is the beast known as anti-Christ. 

Anti-Christ dressed in the High Priests ceremonial clothes is about to make it known that he is the Messiah. 

Claiming to be the Son of David anti-Christ presents himself as God claiming the temple and the Throne of David as his own.

This is the covenant with Death that the apostate portion of Israel has accept as their God and Messiah with the false prophet still preparing his way with lying signs and testimony. 

the celebration has begun a party thousands of years in the making

being God to these people looses its novelty pretty fast and anti-Christ does not want to have to do it and an image of anti-Christ is made and imitating God he breathes live into his image.

anti-Christ turns his attention to make himself rich and to make Israel rich beyond measure. He also brings a peace that is peace in name only.  

anti-Christ when he came up out of the bottomless pit came with his army of demonic locust, fallen angels held for this time of judgment. 

For three and a half years they plunder the Gentile nations filling Israel with riches beyond measure.  seeming to fill another promise for apostate Israel.

3 1/2 years have past and anti-Christ Is about to reveal himself not to be the Lamb but to be the ravenous lion. This time instead of going after the Gentiles it is time to go after apostate Israel.

The remainder of the fallen angels, these held under the Euphrates come against the apostate Jewish nation and these fallen angels destroy Jerusalem killing all the apostate Jews

with a destruction will be the fury of hell unleashed on the apostate majority and the city of Jerusalem a destruction so complete she will never rise again. 

With the complete destruction of apostate Israel, the dross, burned off anti-Christ can devote his full attention to the faithful Remnant. Anti-Christ will slay many who wash their robes in the blood they shed at his hands

When it looks like anti-Christ will have destroyed the remnant the Lord returns  to the Mount of Olives and in doing so causes the Mount to split in two.

With that split of the Mount of Olives a valley opens a way for the remnant to Escape. The Lord ten defeats anti-Christ. the false prophet and the army of fallen angels with the brilliance of His Return, Shekinah Glory.

Anti-Christ and false prophet are locked in the Lake of Fire where they will be tortured day and night for the 1,000 years. At the same time Satan is brought down from heaven in chains.

Satan is locked in the Abyss for the 1,000 years. There will be no satanic influence on men for the 1,000 years. Men will show that its is men who are not just doing sin but are sin in our flesh. 

more to follow

 

[breathoflife]

after the thousand years pass Satan is set free from he Bottomless pit. 

He deceives the Gentile nations who follow him against the Lord Jesus and the remnant who has become the royal nation of priests serving the Lord in His Millennial Temple.

Satan and the Gentile nations find the Lord as the wall of protection and they head to Har Megiddo or Armageddon Where Satan is defeated and thrown into the Lake of Fire.

The Gentile nations dead litter the battlefield and the birds of the air come and feast on the dead Gentile soldiers.

The Great White Throne Judgment is set in place. All men are brought back to life, the first resurrection. All men are tried either for their names not written in the Book of Life or in the redeemed works judged

Those not written in the Lamb's book are judged and thrown into the Lake of Fire, the second death, where Satan, anti-Christ and the false prophet have been imprisoned. 

The Redeemed have our works tested and anything not standing up in the fire will suffer loss of reward but not of salvation. 

A new heaven and a new earth are called down from heaven never having been touched by sin and then comes down the New Jerusalem and the Bride who has spent a 1,000 years getting herself ready

The Wedding Supper of the Lamb and the promised fulfillment of the last Passover the Lord said would be fulfilled in heaven takes place

Eternity

[breathoflife]

19 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Sister, how do you know that the Little Horn is the False Prophet and NOT the first Beast of Revelation?

How can the other beasts represent nations when Daniel wrote, " These great beasts, which are four, are four kings "

it does not work because you have replaced apostate Israel with a bunch of Gentile entities. Zechariah the Prophet foretells who the three out of the ten are but discount it and you have nothing but error to try and make sense out of and it will never make sense

⁷ So I shepherded the flock marked for slaughter, particularly the oppressed of the flock. Then I took two staffs and called one Favor and the other Union, and I shepherded the flock. ⁸ In one month I got rid of the three shepherds.The flock detested me, and I grew weary of them ⁹ and said, “I will not be your shepherd. Let the dying die, and the perishing perish. Let those who are left eat one another’s flesh.” Zec. 11: 7- 8

If she is not the ten who has three plucked up then you have two entities in the Last Days who have ten  crown but only 7 heads. You have to come up with who this second being or nation you now have if it is not the northern kingdom Israel. The northern kingdom that has 10 shepherds who the Lord Himself tells you He plucked the three out of the 10. That chapter of Zec. is where the Lord breaks the 2 shepherd's staffs first taking away apostate Israel's favor where Gentile nations have been kept from completely destroying her. The second staff which brings the nation to split into two kingdoms. One kingdom is Judah having two tribes. The second kingdom is Israel and she has 10 heads of tribes three of whom are plucked up leaving 7 heads and 10 crowns.

 

Israel is the key just as the angel told the Prophet Daniel. 70 Weeks for Daniel's people and his city. 

Edited October 9, 2019 by breathoflife

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, breathoflife said:

it does not work because you have replaced apostate Israel with a bunch of Gentile entities. Zechariah the Prophet foretells who the three out of the ten are but discount it and you have nothing but error to try and make sense out of and it will never make sense

⁷ So I shepherded the flock marked for slaughter, particularly the oppressed of the flock. Then I took two staffs and called one Favor and the other Union, and I shepherded the flock. ⁸ In one month I got rid of the three shepherds.The flock detested me, and I grew weary of them ⁹ and said, “I will not be your shepherd. Let the dying die, and the perishing perish. Let those who are left eat one another’s flesh.” Zec. 11: 7- 8

If she is not the ten who has three plucked up then you have two entities in the Last Days who have ten  crown but only 7 heads. You have to come up with who this second being or nation you now have if it is not the northern kingdom Israel. The northern kingdom that has 10 shepherds who the Lord Himself tells you He plucked the three out of the 10. That chapter of Zec. is where the Lord breaks the 2 shepherd's staffs first taking away apostate Israel's favor where Gentile nations have been kept from completely destroying her. The second staff which brings the nation to split into two kingdoms. One kingdom is Judah having two tribes. The second kingdom is Israel and she has 10 heads of tribes three of whom are plucked up leaving 7 heads and 10 crowns.

 

Israel is the key just as the angel told the Prophet Daniel. 70 Weeks for Daniel's people and his city. 

Most, if not all of the commentators are on my side of this discussion.

By the way, what percentage of Israel is "apostate?"

Is Ezekiel 37 talking about "apostate" Israel?

Was it "apostate" Israel that became a nation again, just as Ezekiel prophesied?

Where is the "northern kingdom" today?

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, breathoflife said:

after the thousand years pass Satan is set free from he Bottomless pit. 

He deceives the Gentile nations who follow him against the Lord Jesus and the remnant who has become the royal nation of priests serving the Lord in His Millennial Temple.

Satan and the Gentile nations find the Lord as the wall of protection and they head to Har Megiddo or Armageddon Where Satan is defeated and thrown into the Lake of Fire.

The Gentile nations dead litter the battlefield and the birds of the air come and feast on the dead Gentile soldiers.

The Great White Throne Judgment is set in place. All men are brought back to life, the first resurrection. All men are tried either for their names not written in the Book of Life or in the redeemed works judged

Those not written in the Lamb's book are judged and thrown into the Lake of Fire, the second death, where Satan, anti-Christ and the false prophet have been imprisoned. 

The Redeemed have our works tested and anything not standing up in the fire will suffer loss of reward but not of salvation. 

A new heaven and a new earth are called down from heaven never having been touched by sin and then comes down the New Jerusalem and the Bride who has spent a 1,000 years getting herself ready

The Wedding Supper of the Lamb and the promised fulfillment of the last Passover the Lord said would be fulfilled in heaven takes place

Eternity

The pit you are digging keeps getting deeper and deeper!

"Armegeddon" could be 7 years from now, NOT after the 1000 years, but before it.

After the 1000 years Satan is released and deceives the nations again, "Gog" and "magog."  They attempt to attack the Holy City, but fire comes down from heaven and destroys them all.  This is one part you got right: it is then that the devil is cast into the lake of fire.

The next thing you got right: after the devil is cast into the lake of fire, it is time for the great, White Throne judgment.  But this is not the "first" resurrection, this is the second resurrection.

Just what is the "first" or primary or most honorable resurrection? Jesus was the firstfruits of this resurrection.  Then the dead in Christ will be the next wave of this chief of resurrections. Then the 144,000, and finally the Old Testament saints. That ENDS the first or chief of resurrections: it is for the righteous.

The second resurrection is for the unrighteous. You have the timing right for this second resurrection.  "  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."  "death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. "

Note that these are judged by their works and by their name NOT being found in the book of Life. If God put a title on this resurrection, it would be "the second death."

The Redeemed have our works tested and anything not standing up in the fire will suffer loss of reward but not of salvation.   This is a thousand years out of place: it will take place BEFORE the 1000 years.

the Bride who has spent a 1,000 years getting herself ready  Sorry, wrong again: the bride was made ready by the blood of Jesus, and were raptured to heaven before the 70th week. The bride will judges during the 1000 years, already in their resurrection body.

The Wedding Supper of the Lamb  Wrong again! The marriage and supper will be just before Jesus descends to Armageddon, BEFORE the 1000 years.

B of L, you really need to read the scriptures a little closer. 

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, breathoflife said:

The Church is raptured

In Israel a man begins preparing the way for who he claims is the Messiah, he appears to be Elijah the Prophet

The man not only is proclaiming the coming Messiah he is doing miracles, lying signs and wonders.

He appears to be Elijah but it is the beast known as the false prophet. 

People all over Israel are beginning to follow this false prophet not realizing  the great delusion that is begun playing out in the land.

The Aliyah, the Return to the Land has begun. The Jewish people scattered around the world are returning because of things taking place with the false prophet Elijah.

This false Elijah is claiming the Messiah is going to return and that he will do  so on the temple mount and prove to everyone he is God. 

The false prophet Elijah has challenged every religion to come and prove their God is the true God. 

All the religions of the world have assembled on the mount  with dignitaries of their particular religion. 

All the worlds news media has come to make the coverage known instantly around the world. 

None of the religions are able to do anything that proves they have anything they worship that is not make believe 

The false Elijah now has the temple mount to himself and the people are now at a fever pitch  with expectation running off the chart. The people want the Messiah.

The false prophet begins praying for the Messiah to come and make himself known as the one true God. Suddenly something like a bolt of lightening comes down from heaven looking like it was a bolt of lightening 

The fire from heaven has not only confirmed that this is the one true God but the fire from Heaven is the Shekinah Glory and the fire is what must be possessed for temple worship to begin. 

The restored Levitical Priesthood is ready to begin the temple service with the fire from heaven. With the fire from heaven once more burning the cleansing with the blood sacrifices are offered. 

The Jewish people have all left their homes headed for the temple mount. The celebration has begun. 

The one who came as the Shekinah Glory is going to present himself at the temple and claim it as his own. The people believe it is the Messiah but it is the beast known as anti-Christ. 

Anti-Christ dressed in the High Priests ceremonial clothes is about to make it known that he is the Messiah. 

Claiming to be the Son of David anti-Christ presents himself as God claiming the temple and the Throne of David as his own.

This is the covenant with Death that the apostate portion of Israel has accept as their God and Messiah with the false prophet still preparing his way with lying signs and testimony. 

the celebration has begun a party thousands of years in the making

being God to these people looses its novelty pretty fast and anti-Christ does not want to have to do it and an image of anti-Christ is made and imitating God he breathes live into his image.

anti-Christ turns his attention to make himself rich and to make Israel rich beyond measure. He also brings a peace that is peace in name only.  

anti-Christ when he came up out of the bottomless pit came with his army of demonic locust, fallen angels held for this time of judgment. 

For three and a half years they plunder the Gentile nations filling Israel with riches beyond measure.  seeming to fill another promise for apostate Israel.

3 1/2 years have past and anti-Christ Is about to reveal himself not to be the Lamb but to be the ravenous lion. This time instead of going after the Gentiles it is time to go after apostate Israel.

The remainder of the fallen angels, these held under the Euphrates come against the apostate Jewish nation and these fallen angels destroy Jerusalem killing all the apostate Jews

with a destruction will be the fury of hell unleashed on the apostate majority and the city of Jerusalem a destruction so complete she will never rise again. 

With the complete destruction of apostate Israel, the dross, burned off anti-Christ can devote his full attention to the faithful Remnant. Anti-Christ will slay many who wash their robes in the blood they shed at his hands

When it looks like anti-Christ will have destroyed the remnant the Lord returns  to the Mount of Olives and in doing so causes the Mount to split in two.

With that split of the Mount of Olives a valley opens a way for the remnant to Escape. The Lord ten defeats anti-Christ. the false prophet and the army of fallen angels with the brilliance of His Return, Shekinah Glory.

Anti-Christ and false prophet are locked in the Lake of Fire where they will be tortured day and night for the 1,000 years. At the same time Satan is brought down from heaven in chains.

Satan is locked in the Abyss for the 1,000 years. There will be no satanic influence on men for the 1,000 years. Men will show that its is men who are not just doing sin but are sin in our flesh. 

more to follow

He appears to be Elijah but it is the beast known as the false prophet.    Sorry, but you need to follow the chronology of John, instead of making up your own. The Beast from the sea is the FIRST beast to emerge and be known. The False Prophet beast shows up second.

He is made manifest as the Beast when he as the man of sin will enter the temple and declare he is God. He will then be possessed by Satan and become the Beast. This is before the false prophet shows up.

the Return to the Land has begun   It began in 1947 or so.

The false prophet Elijah has challenged every religion to come and prove their God is the true God.   MYTH.

All the religions of the world have assembled on the mount  with dignitaries of their particular religion.   MYTH

Next time you post, please post scripture that backs up what you are saying.  Most of your post is your imagination that cannot be backed up by scripture.

[Sister]

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Rev. 17:12  And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 

Do you know when this is in relation to the 70th week? It is very late in the week, just before the week ends. These ten are to represent the nations of the world that the evil spirits are sent (at the 6th vial) to persuade them to attack Israel.  So yes, they do work together, but this is after the days of GT are finished.

 

 

Hi iamlamad

Yes, this happens very late.  In Rev 17, they didn't have power yet.  It is just a vision showing the ones already mentioned in Rev 13, giving a bit more detail.  When they receive authority and power to rule "as kings" with the beast, the False Prophet/little horn/son of Perdition will show his face.  The 10 kings are there first, preparing the way, and they will continue to rule with the beast (with the fp/LH/SoP).  He has different names but he is the same one person, chosen for this job.

I see the 10 as ruling over the world, and not necessarily representing the nations of the world. They represent dominance, authority & blasphemy..(only those who know the truth will pick it).  I am not even sure we will know who they are exactly because they will stay in the shadows and control everything from behind the scenes.... giving out all the new laws for the fp/LH/Sop to enforce on the world.  The 10 kings are his man power.  They gain control of all the nations, and therefore control all the military to back up the laws.  Obey or else.  It will be one money system.  One law for all.  They also possess advance technologies that will will be used to pull off the great deception.  A lot of trickery. Expect a lot of laser light shows that will look real and believable.  Like fire coming from heaven.  War planes flying above, etc, and possibly his image sprayed in the skies.  His craft is technology.  So that man, is the other beast, an individual, and will be their spokesman, the great deceiver with all the solutions.   When all this happens, it kicks off the tribulation. Start counting then. Things will happen fast. It will start in Jerusalem when the kings of the north come to occupy.  Keep your eyes on Jerusalem.  It all starts there.  They will come from the North. I have been looking into this lately (from the scriptures) and it's possible they will be secretly stationed and come from the land of Hammath.  Riblah.  Directly north of Jerusalem.  The 10 kings are confederate with Syria.  They have wasted Syria, so they can move in and set up their headquarters there and plan their attack. Syria has allowed it because their leader is also serving the king of Babylon.   Everything is staged and carefully planned.  Everything is repeated.  Nothing new under the sun.