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The First Two Mass Resurrections of the Dead

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FIRST:

John 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour comes, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and the ones hearing shall live.”

“Hearing” here is meant according to the Hebrew verb shâmăh, which implies, besides hearing, also receiving and obeying the message heard. That message was the “Gospel [Jesus] preached to those who were dead,” “to the spirits in prison [Hades/Sheol],” when He “descended into the lower parts of the earth.” 1 Pet. 4:6; 3:19; Eph. 4:9; cf. Acts 2:27, 31; Luke 4:18.

Those in Hades who heard, received, obeyed and thus lived, “[came] out of the graves after His resurrection…and appeared unto many;” because they, having become members of “[His] church, …the gates of Hades [could] not prevail against [them]” to keep them in that soul-prison. Matt. 27:53; 16:18

This was the first mass resurrection of the dead.

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SECOND:

John 5:28 “Do not marvel at this; for an hour comes in which all the ones in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth: the ones having done good things to a resurrection of life, but the ones having done evil things to a resurrection of condemnation.”

At this time, which follows “a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation [that is, the Great Tribulation]” (Dan. 12:1-2; Matt. 24:21), the message heard will be a “keleusmati/shout of command” (1 Thes. 4:16); that is, something all the dead – as well as all the living – will be made to hear, receive, and obey. That order/command will require all, living and newly-resurrected dead, to lift up their faces – for however briefly that may be – toward the universal vision of “Him who sits on the [heavenly] throne [of judgment] and…the Lamb” (Rev. 6:16); the Lamb here being “the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power [the Father], and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Matt. 26:64

This will be the second mass resurrection of the dead.

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6 hours ago, WilliamL said:

FIRST:

John 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour comes, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and the ones hearing shall live.”

“Hearing” here is meant according to the Hebrew verb shâmăh, which implies, besides hearing, also receiving and obeying the message heard. That message was the “Gospel [Jesus] preached to those who were dead,” “to the spirits in prison [Hades/Sheol],” when He “descended into the lower parts of the earth.” 1 Pet. 4:6; 3:19; Eph. 4:9; cf. Acts 2:27, 31; Luke 4:18.

Those in Hades who heard, received, obeyed and thus lived, “[came] out of the graves after His resurrection…and appeared unto many;” because they, having become members of “[His] church, …the gates of Hades [could] not prevail against [them]” to keep them in that soul-prison. Matt. 27:53; 16:18

This was the first mass resurrection of the dead.

 

6 hours ago, WilliamL said:

SECOND:

John 5:28 “Do not marvel at this; for an hour comes in which all the ones in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth: the ones having done good things to a resurrection of life, but the ones having done evil things to a resurrection of condemnation.”

At this time, which follows “a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation [that is, the Great Tribulation]” (Dan. 12:1-2; Matt. 24:21), the message heard will be a “keleusmati/shout of command” (1 Thes. 4:16); that is, something all the dead – as well as all the living – will be made to hear, receive, and obey. That order/command will require all, living and newly-resurrected dead, to lift up their faces – for however briefly that may be – toward the universal vision of “Him who sits on the [heavenly] throne [of judgment] and…the Lamb” (Rev. 6:16); the Lamb here being “the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power [the Father], and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Matt. 26:64

This will be the second mass resurrection of the dead.

Shalom, WilliamL.

Sorry, but you have the "zeroeth Resurrection" assumed to be the "FIRST mass Resurrection," and you've called the FIRST mass Resurrection the "SECOND mass Resurrection," and totally NEGLECTED to mention the REAL SECOND mass Resurrection:

Paul gives us a more complete scenario including the Resurrection of Yeshua` the Messiah:

1 Corinthians 15:20-28 (KJV)

20 But now is Christ (Messiah) risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ (in the Messiah) shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order:

(0) Christ (The Messiah) the firstfruits;
(1) afterward they that are Christ's (those who belong to the Messiah) at his coming. 
24 (2) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. (But when he saith, "all things are put under him," it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.) 

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him (God) that put all things under him (the Messiah), that God may be all in all.

There are two different types of resurrection in the Scriptures: those who were resurrected before the Messiah was resurrected (a temporary type of resurrection), and those who are resurrected after the Messiah was resurrected and who are resurrected with the same power that resurrected the Messiah (an eternal type of resurrection).

Those who were resurrected at the Messiah's death were still in the first type of resurrection, a TEMPORARY resurrection. (They would have to die again.)

Those who are resurrected BY the Messiah after His death, resurrection, and ascension will live forever.

The true FIRST mass Resurrection will be at the Messiah's Second Coming, when the Messiah begins His reign here upon the earth.

The true SECOND mass Resurrection will be AFTER the Millennium - the first 1,000 years of the Messiah's Kingdom - before He turns the Worldwide Empire over to His Father and goes on reigning over the House of Israel.

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On 10/8/2019 at 11:00 AM, WilliamL said:

FIRST:

John 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour comes, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and the ones hearing shall live.”

“Hearing” here is meant according to the Hebrew verb shâmăh, which implies, besides hearing, also receiving and obeying the message heard. That message was the “Gospel [Jesus] preached to those who were dead,” “to the spirits in prison [Hades/Sheol],” when He “descended into the lower parts of the earth.” 1 Pet. 4:6; 3:19; Eph. 4:9; cf. Acts 2:27, 31; Luke 4:18.

Those in Hades who heard, received, obeyed and thus lived, “[came] out of the graves after His resurrection…and appeared unto many;” because they, having become members of “[His] church, …the gates of Hades [could] not prevail against [them]” to keep them in that soul-prison. Matt. 27:53; 16:18

This was the first mass resurrection of the dead.

Greetings WilliamL

Do you have a source which describes what happened to those that were raised at the time of Jesus resurrection?  The text seems to be silent as to what happened to them after they appeared to many.

John who is very aware of this event writes in the book of Revelation of the two resurrections.  His timeline is a little different than yours.

Rev. 20: 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

The first resurrection is of those who have stood faithful to death during the tribulation.  This is a limited and specific resurrection for the purpose of reigning during the thousand years. The time of this resurrection is at the end of the tribulation and the beginning of the thousand years.

The second resurrection includes everyone else that are not included in the first resurrection.  This is at the end of the thousand years.

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20 hours ago, seeking the lost said:

Greetings WilliamL

Do you have a source which describes what happened to those that were raised at the time of Jesus resurrection?  The text seems to be silent as to what happened to them after they appeared to many.

John who is very aware of this event writes in the book of Revelation of the two resurrections.  His timeline is a little different than yours.

Rev. 20: 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

The first resurrection is of those who have stood faithful to death during the tribulation.  This is a limited and specific resurrection for the purpose of reigning during the thousand years. The time of this resurrection is at the end of the tribulation and the beginning of the thousand years.

The second resurrection includes everyone else that are not included in the first resurrection.  This is at the end of the thousand years.

You repeat a common misunderstanding about the "protos resurrection" in verse 5. Protos here means first in preeminence, not first in time. Jesus and the saints who came out of the graves in his day were part of this resurrection, as will be the Rev. 7 saints before the throne, the Two Witnesses of Rev. 11, and the 144,000 before the heavenly throne in Rev. 14. These are all part of the protos/first/foremost-in-preeminence resurrection.

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On 10/8/2019 at 10:01 PM, Retrobyter said:

 

There are two different types of resurrection in the Scriptures: those who were resurrected before the Messiah was resurrected (a temporary type of resurrection), and those who are resurrected after the Messiah was resurrected and who are resurrected with the same power that resurrected the Messiah (an eternal type of resurrection).

Those who were resurrected at the Messiah's death were still in the first type of resurrection, a TEMPORARY resurrection.

Those who were "aroused/awakened" (Greek verb egeiro, Matt. 27:52) when Jesus descended to Hades “[came] out of the graves after His resurrection" (Matt. 27:53), thus were resurrected AFTER the resurrection of Jesus. These include the elders/saints before the throne in Rev. 4-5, when Jesus is to appear before the throne the second time, fulfilling the second entrance into the Most Holy Place with His blood, according to the pattern of Leviticus 16 for the Day of Atonement.

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4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

You repeat a common misunderstanding about the "protos resurrection" in verse 5. Protos here means first in preeminence, not first in time. Jesus and the saints who came out of the graves in his day were part of this resurrection, as will be the Rev. 7 saints before the throne, the Two Witnesses of Rev. 11, and the 144,000 before the heavenly throne in Rev. 14. These are all part of the protos/first/foremost-in-preeminence resurrection.

I like the common misunderstanding over the made up understanding.  John does not say this is the culmination of the first resurrection.  He would have to say that to include the groups that you do.  The first resurrection is the first in time that counts as a resurrection in the revelation given to John.  There is a danger in adding to the revelation as John warns us not to add to the text.

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On 10/8/2019 at 12:00 PM, WilliamL said:

FIRST:

John 5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour comes, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and the ones hearing shall live.”

“Hearing” here is meant according to the Hebrew verb shâmăh, which implies, besides hearing, also receiving and obeying the message heard. That message was the “Gospel [Jesus] preached to those who were dead,” “to the spirits in prison [Hades/Sheol],” when He “descended into the lower parts of the earth.” 1 Pet. 4:6; 3:19; Eph. 4:9; cf. Acts 2:27, 31; Luke 4:18.

Those in Hades who heard, received, obeyed and thus lived, “[came] out of the graves after His resurrection…and appeared unto many;” because they, having become members of “[His] church, …the gates of Hades [could] not prevail against [them]” to keep them in that soul-prison. Matt. 27:53; 16:18

This was the first mass resurrection of the dead.

Hello WilliamL

Because the word protos can be used for first in order or in rank the CONTEXT must be used to determine the intended usage. There is a monumental problem with the latter as the juxtaposition of the thousand years in DIRECT relation to the the FIRST resurrection with the rest of the dead leaves no room for anything but the order of events. 

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On 10/8/2019 at 12:00 PM, WilliamL said:

 

“Hearing” here is meant according to the Hebrew verb shâmăh, which implies, besides hearing, also receiving and obeying the message heard. 

Hi WilliamL

Why did you need to change the word used by Jesus as recorded in the N.T. The N.T. is written in Greek-NOT Hebrew.

akouō

  1. to be endowed with the faculty of hearing, not deaf

  2. to hear

    1. to attend to, consider what is or has been said

    2. to understand, perceive the sense of what is said

  3. to hear something

    1. to perceive by the ear what is announced in one's presence

    2. to get by hearing learn

    3. a thing comes to one's ears, to find out, learn

    4. to give ear to a teaching or a teacher

    5. to comprehend, to understand

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On 10/10/2019 at 8:10 PM, seeking the lost said:
On 10/10/2019 at 3:16 PM, WilliamL said:

You repeat a common misunderstanding about the "protos resurrection" in verse 5. Protos here means first in preeminence, not first in time. Jesus and the saints who came out of the graves in his day were part of this resurrection, as will be the Rev. 7 saints before the throne, the Two Witnesses of Rev. 11, and the 144,000 before the heavenly throne in Rev. 14. These are all part of the protos/first/foremost-in-preeminence resurrection.

I like the common misunderstanding over the made up understanding.  John does not say this is the culmination of the first resurrection.  He would have to say that to include the groups that you do.  The first resurrection is the first in time that counts as a resurrection in the revelation given to John.  There is a danger in adding to the revelation as John warns us not to add to the text.

And you choose too ignore the resurrection of Jesus et. al. as being resurrections. If ANY resurrection can be accepted as the first/protos in time/order, it would be the resurrection.

It is you that is adding to the revelation of John by stating that --

"The first resurrection is the first in time that counts as a resurrection in the revelation given to John."

Nothing in Revelation signifies the exclusivity of the protos resurrection to that book alone.

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