The parable of the Tares

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

That is your theory about Paul, it is certainly not mine.

It's not a theory. I can take you to 1 Corinthians 15:1-11 in the Greek and SHOW you how the "death, burial, and resurrection" is NOT EQUAL TO the "Gospel" but is ADDED TO the "Gospel!" (But, not tonight.)

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

It is OK if you don't believe the many many people whom God has taken to see both heaven and hell. God has done it for your benefit, but if you ignore all these, that is up to you.

Did Lazarus die? Certainly He did. And Jesus raised him from the dead. In other words, there are EXCEPTIONS to The rule of dying once. Several people in the bible were raised from the dead.

Key word: JESUS -YESHUA` - raised him from the dead! And, He gave that power to His disciples who heralded the good news that God authenticated and endorsed by performing the miracles that Yeshua` did! This gospel of the Kingdom hasn't been heralded for a long, Long, LONG time! So, why should God endorse the "Gospel" preached today by authenticating it with miracles?

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

Look, if you wish to float on a cloud, that is between you and God. The bride is going to be caught up and escorted to the mansions Jesus has built for them. I wonder, with your beliefs, if He has built one for you?

That was uncalled for, brother. SHAME on you for disrespecting and disgracing my Lord!

[iamlamad]

16 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

It's not a theory. I can take you to 1 Corinthians 15:1-11 in the Greek and SHOW you how the "death, burial, and resurrection" is NOT EQUAL TO the "Gospel" but is ADDED TO the "Gospel!" (But, not tonight.)

Key word: JESUS -YESHUA` - raised him from the dead! And, He gave that power to His disciples who heralded the good news that God authenticated and endorsed by performing the miracles that Yeshua` did! This gospel of the Kingdom hasn't been heralded for a long, Long, LONG time! So, why should God endorse the "Gospel" preached today by authenticating it with miracles?

That was uncalled for, brother. SHAME on you for disrespecting and disgracing my Lord!

I was in NO WAY disrespecting our Lord. I was disrespecting a theory of floating on clouds. If not clouds, perhaps to far up for there to be clouds, they floating on NOTHING. Is my mansion floating on nothing? Hardly! It is on solid ground - the ground of HEAVEN.

By the way, have you ever studied John G Lake? Smith Wigglesworth? And there are many more that had many miracles in their ministry. The truth is, anyone with FAITH for a miracle can receive one TODAY! Thanks be to Jesus for receiving the stripes for our healing.

[iamlamad]

17 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, iamlamad.

(Again, drop the "planet heaven" garbage. While I do agree with you that the New Jerusalem is in space currently under construction, the size and complexity of making solid crystal latices from which the walls and the foundations can be made would best be done in open space without the influence of gravity, not on some planet!)

You say that Yeshua` will bring "with Him the Spirits of those saints who have passed." Actually, I think the passage says that "He will raise the saints who have passed and bring them (and us) with Him."

However, the real question is WHY are we "escorted back to heaven where He prepared the homes for us?" And, don't say it's in John 14:1-3! That's not what He said there! What He said was,...

John 14:1-3 (KJV)

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

This says NOTHING about "escorting us back to heaven!" The ONLY thing He said is that they wouldn't be separated from Him after He receives them to Himself!

We don't go to the New Jerusalem; the New Jerusalem comes to US!

If God did created a planet we call heaven, I would be more careful what you call it. I guess you missed the verse In 1 Cor. 4:

¹⁴ For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

I think you are missing much of that verse!

In my father's house are many mansions: FOR WHO?

I go  WHERE did He go? He went to heaven where His Father resides on the throne - to set at the Father's right hand. THAT is where He went.

WHY did He go? "to prepare a place for you. " He went to prayer homes for us.  WHERE? Where are these homes? Of course, In His Father's house....that would be in heaven, in the Holy City.

if I go and prepare a place for you  He has accomplished this: the last few people who have been to heaven and returned to tell have said that Jesus said all mansions are now complete. Heaven is now waiting on the saints. You can believe their testimony or not: up to you.  MANY people who have been there and returned to tell were taken to see their own mansion.  Some were under construction, others were completed.

I will come again, and receive you unto myself  That is what Paul said, He will come FOR His saints, as shown in 1 Thes. 4

that where I am, there ye may be also.  Where "am" Jesus at this point in time? Where will Jesus be during the 70th week? OF COURSE He will be in heaven. Rev. 19 proves this. So where HE will be, the saints will be.

Agreed, far far into the future, after the 1000 year reign of Christ, the city will come down and we will be ON IT as it comes.

[iamlamad]

17 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, iamlamad.

  7 years pass on earth: 7 trumpets sound, 7 vials are poured out. Jesus holds His marriage and supper in heaven. 

Nope. This is NOT what the Bible tells us. This is what a THEOLOGICAL VIEWPOINT teaches.

Half of the 70th Seven was completed in the First Advent of Yeshua` the Messiah and the second half will be completed after the Second Advent of Yeshua` the Messiah. BOTH halves have to do with an offer of the Kingdom to Israel, and the second half can't occur until the children of Israel have been re-introduced to the Messiah.

Yeah, I'm out of time, too. It's almost 1:00 a.m. here on the east coast, but this is important to me.

Nope. This is NOT what the Bible tells us.  Sorry, this is is exactly what is written:

7 years pass on earth:  ^{Dan. 9:27} And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease

"one week" or a period of 7 years, divided at the moment of the abomination that will stop the sacrifices.

7 trumpets sound:  Easy to see: just read Rev. 8 through 11.

7 vials are poured out:  Again easy to see: chapter 16

Jesus holds His marriage and supper in heaven: again easy to see:

Rev. 19:

⁹ And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

¹⁰ And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

¹¹ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Note that the marriage comes first, then the marriage supper (the supper always comes after the ceremony.)

Then, and only then, does Jesus descend to earth.

 

Half of the 70th Seven was completed in the First Advent of Yeshua` the Messiah and the second half will be completed after the Second Advent of Yeshua` the Messiah. 

This is a theory, but it is impossible to prove by scripture and in fact, impossible to be truth. Daniel 9:27 tells us the abomination divides the week.

Try this: take a apple and divide it in half; EAT half today, put the rest in the refer till tomorrow.

The eaten half represents Jesus 3.5 years (according to your theory). The half in the refer repesents the last half you say will come when Jesus comes. OK, it's tomorrow: take out the other half of the apple, and cleave that half in two. The knife is the abomination that will divide the week. So what was left of the apple is now divided.

Now, look at what is left: you have two QUARTERS, not to HALVES. Sorry, your theory is impossible: John is very clear, there will be TWO HALVES or ONE WHOLE WEEK  in Revelation up to the midpoint, where John shows us 5 different countdowns to the end.  The first half is filled with the trumpet judgments. The 7th trumpet marks the time of the abomination that divides the week. Again, your theory is impossible: to end up with two halves, one MUST Have a whole.  

By the way, the week begins with the 7th seal, over 7 years before Christ will return.

[iamlamad]

17 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, iamlamad.

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That's not true, btw. There was INDEED "talk of His shed blood" way sooner than you think!

Consider Simeon's words:

Luke 2:25-35 (KJV)

25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ (YHWH'S Messiah). 27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, 28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,

29 "Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel."

33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him. 34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother,

"Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; 35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."

It was always one of the choices that the Jews could have made, but it GRADUALLY became clear that Yeshua` was to be rejected and crucified.

Even early into His "ministry," John the Baptist sent to Him and asked Him,

Matthew 11:2-15 (KJV)

2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, 3 And said unto him,

"Art thou he that should come (the Victorious and Reigning Messiah), or do we look for another (recognizing that Yeshua` would be the Suffering and Dying Messiah)?"

4 Jesus answered and said unto them,

"Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: 5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me."

7 And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John,

"What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind? 8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses. 9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.

10 For this is he, of whom it is written,
'Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.'

11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. 14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. 15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."

Luke 7:18-30 (KJV)

18 And the disciples of John shewed him of all these things. 19 And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying,

"Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?"

20 When the men were come unto him, they said,

"John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying,
'Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?'"

21 And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight. 22 Then Jesus answering said unto them,

"Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached. 23 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me."

24 And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John,

"What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind? 25 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings' courts. 26 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.

27 This is he, of whom it is written,
'Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.'

28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he." 

29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

There was no "lapse of faith" as you might hear some teach about John the Baptist. He recognized that there were two sets of prophecies regarding the Messiah - Maashiyach ben Yosef (the Messiah son of Joseph [as in Genesis], the Suffering and Dying Messiah) and Maashiyach ben Daviyd (the Messiah son of David, the Victorious and Reigning Messiah). What He didn't know was whether there would be the ONE Messiah fulfilling both roles or TWO different Messiahs. So, he asked.

I disagree: I think John's needed some encouragement; He asked, are you the one, or do we look for another....He was certainly wondering (with the disciples) when Jesus would raise up and defeat Rome, and start His kingdom. It did not look to him from his vantage point in prison that Jesus would be the ruler, ruling with a rod of iron!

Jesus reminded him of Isaiah 61:1: all those things EXCEPT the day of vengeance was taking place.  He was indeed the one who was to come!

[Retrobyter]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

I was in NO WAY disrespecting our Lord.

You ARE when you question the grace of Yeshua` to another person - a brother or a sister - as though they were an unbeliever! We should even assume unbelievers as POTENTIAL brothers and sisters!

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

I was disrespecting a theory of floating on clouds. If not clouds, perhaps to far up for there to be clouds, they floating on NOTHING. Is my mansion floating on nothing? Hardly! It is on solid ground - the ground of HEAVEN.

"The ground of the SKY?!" Don't you hear how RIDICULOUS that sounds?! It's just like saying, "Our bodies go in the ground and our souls go to heaven." That means "Our bodies go in the ground and our air-breathing creatures go to the sky." ???? No, we go THROUGH the sky, THROUGH the clouds, on our way to the Middle East to begin helping the Messiah clear His land of the anti-Israeli forces surrounding it and invading it.

Then, when that's clear, He will reign over His Kingdom with a rod of iron - a scepter of iron - being a very strict King to those who oppose His reign. For a thousand years, He will judge the earth and subdue His enemies until He reigns over the whole earth. Then, He will hand the Empire over to His Father.

The final judgment will be that at the Great White Throne, after which the sentence will be the Lake of Fire and Sulfur (or the Lake of Burning Sulfur).

It won't be until after all this that the earth will be renovated and called the "New Earth." It's atmosphere will also be renovated and called the "New Heaven (Sky)." Then, the New Jerusalem will descend out of the sky, landing upon the New Earth. It won't be until THEN that we will receive our rooms (our "mansions") in the New Jerusalem.

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

By the way, have you ever studied John G Lake? Smith Wigglesworth? And there are many more that had many miracles in their ministry. The truth is, anyone with FAITH for a miracle can receive one TODAY! Thanks be to Jesus for receiving the stripes for our healing.

Nope. Don't need to. Miracles of healing are TEMPORARY. They increase one's lifespan a little, but eventually, decay and death will catch up to a person and he or she will die ... UNTIL the Lord Yeshua` the Messiah of God returns and the First Resurrection occurs along with the Transformation. God will create us from His memory of us. We get our breaths (spirits) back and we become air-breathers (souls) again. We will be living bodies once again. 

THEN, in the Transformation, we are changed at the cellular level! No longer will we see death or experience pain, and we shall live forever in the presence of our God and His Son, Yeshua`.

1 Corinthians 15:50-57 (KJV)

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 21:1-8 (KJV)

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven (out of the throne) saying,

"Behold, the tabernacle (tent) of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

5 And he that sat upon the throne said,

"Behold, I make all things new."

And he said unto me,

"Write: for these words are true and faithful."

6 And he said unto me,

"It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

[Retrobyter]

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

If God did created a planet we call heaven, I would be more careful what you call it. I guess you missed the verse In 1 Cor. 4:

¹⁴ For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Shalom, iamlamad.

Sorry, didn't miss the verse at all, but I think YOU may have missed what was actually SAID in this verse:

"Them ... which sleep" are IN THE GROUND! God wakes them up, and THEN He brings them with Yeshua`.

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I think you are missing much of that verse!

In my father's house are many mansions: FOR WHOM?

You know as well as I that it is we who trust God for our justification.

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I go  WHERE did He go? He went to heaven where His Father resides on the throne - to set at the Father's right hand. THAT is where He went.

No, actually He went ABOVE the sky to where the New Jerusalem is being built. The rest I can agree with you.

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

WHY did He go? "to prepare a place for you. " He went to prayer homes for us.  WHERE? Where are these homes? Of course, In His Father's house....that would be in heaven, in the Holy City.

Well, I wouldn't call it "sky," but yes. He went to His Father's house - His Father's "Bedouin tent" - the New Jerusalem, Yerushalayim haChadashah.

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

if I go and prepare a place for you  He has accomplished this: the last few people who have been to heaven and returned to tell have said that Jesus said all mansions are now complete. Heaven is now waiting on the saints. You can believe their testimony or not: up to you.  MANY people who have been there and returned to tell were taken to see their own mansion.  Some were under construction, others were completed.

Well, He IS accomplishing this. We don't know that He's finished, yet, because He hasn't returned, yet! And, don't we have believers coming to the Messiah yet today? Are you telling me that He has already finished their homes ahead of schedule? That's AMAZING!

I guess you believe in Predestination, then. Right?

Also, one had better believe in "Once Saved Always Saved," then, or the Messiah has wasted His time preparing a "mansion" for a person who can "lose his salvation." Right?

Well, if it's up to me, then I'll say no. I don't believe it. Many are trying to make a name for themselves, and get TV exposure, and get some monetary kick-backs, as well as maybe a book deal. Others have had a traumatic NDE and have hallucinated the whole encounter. Yeshua` didn't say that we should take the word of this sort of people. Instead, we read:

1 John 4:1-3 (KJV)

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

So, I'll take my chances with the Scriptures ONLY, thanks.

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I will come again, and receive you unto myself  That is what Paul said, He will come FOR His saints, as shown in 1 Thes. 4

No disagreement with you on this point (although I suspect we don't agree on WHEN this coming will occur).

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

that where I am, there ye may be also.  Where "am" Jesus at this point in time?

Poor English, but I'll answer the way it was asked: He "am" in Jerusalem, specifically in the "upper room."

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Where will Jesus be during the 70th week? OF COURSE He will be in heaven. Rev. 19 proves this.

Nope. You don't have the correct understanding of the 70th Seven. The first half of the 70th Seven was the 3.5 years that He offered the Kingdom to Israel when He came the first time. The second half of the 70th Seven will be the first 3.5 years after the Messiah returns - His SECOND Coming - when He shall again offer the Kingdom to Israel. He's in the New Jerusalem NOW, between these two halves, in the period often called the Time of Jacob's Trouble, the Tribulation - a 2,000-year period in which we currently live.

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

So where HE will be, the saints will be.

I'll agree with this line.

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Agreed, far far into the future, after the 1000 year reign of Christ, the city will come down and we will be ON IT as it comes.

Nope. We'll be watching it descend, just as John did.

[dhchristian]

25 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

No, we go THROUGH the sky, THROUGH the clouds, on our way to the Middle East to begin helping the Messiah clear His land of the anti-Israeli forces surrounding it and invading it.

I Think Jesus disagrees with you...

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (John 14:3)

Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. (John 17:24)

Where is Jesus? 

And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. (Acts 1:9-11)

But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. (Acts 7:55-56)

So Jesus is in heaven at the right Hand of God, and he wants those who have believed in him to be where He is, which is Heaven, Where God Dwells. How is this possible? We will receive heavenly Bodies.

So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. (1 Cor. 15:42-49)

So, My Point being if you want to view our resurrection as merely going up into the clouds, go right ahead, there are many that will agree with you including the Sadducees, who did not believe in the resurrection of the dead to Heaven. But I Know we will go UP to be with Him where He is, which is in the heaven that is the Place where God Dwells. Yes we will have a Pitstop along the way to rule and reign with him a thousand years, as a royal priesthood, But heaven is our home in glory. 

For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. (2 Cor. 5;1)

 

[Marilyn C]

On ‎10‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 11:54 PM, iamlamad said:

Where does the parable of the Tares take place in Revelation?

I wonder if it could be the 6th Trumpet judgment.

Thoughts?

Hi iamlamad,

This parable (Matt. 13: 24 - 30) is explained by the Lord further on in that chapter, (Matt. 13: 36 - 43) We also see that Daniel has some revelation on that topic too. (Dan. 12: 3)

`Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.` (Matt. 13: 43)

`Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, ...` (Dan. 12: 3)

Also Matt. 24: 31 gives more detail of Matt: 13: 41.

`The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness.` (Matt. 13: 41)

`And He (Son of Man) will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.` (Matt. 24: 31)

Thus we see the timing is when the Lord returns to earth to bring judgment upon the rebellious and deliver Israel. Christ will then bring in His kingdom/rule through Israel over the nations of the earth, (for a thousand years), as promised by the Old Testament prophets.

regards, Marilyn

 

[iamlamad]

11 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi iamlamad,

This parable (Matt. 13: 24 - 30) is explained by the Lord further on in that chapter, (Matt. 13: 36 - 43) We also see that Daniel has some revelation on that topic too. (Dan. 12: 3)

`Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.` (Matt. 13: 43)

`Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, ...` (Dan. 12: 3)

Also Matt. 24: 31 gives more detail of Matt: 13: 41.

`The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness.` (Matt. 13: 41)

`And He (Son of Man) will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.` (Matt. 24: 31)

Thus we see the timing is when the Lord returns to earth to bring judgment upon the rebellious and deliver Israel. Christ will then bring in His kingdom/rule through Israel over the nations of the earth, (for a thousand years), as promised by the Old Testament prophets.

regards, Marilyn

Are you saying then that John did not see it so did not write of this event in Revelation?