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Acordingly with the bible, God chosen before of the foundation of the world some individuals to be saved. This election was based only in the free decree of God without the works of man. Some were chosen and others are reprobates. Olny the chosen ones will be save.

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I believe that we cannot begin to grasp what God knows. He is outside time so He can tell who will choose Him and who will not. He knows the end from the beginning. If one chooses Him, He knew it. If one does not, He knew it. 

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2 hours ago, vinho1000 said:

Acordingly with the bible, God chosen before of the foundation of the world some individuals to be saved. This election was based only in the free decree of God without the works of man. Some were chosen and others are reprobates. Olny the chosen ones will be save.

Hi vinho1000. I see that you not a prolific poster on Worthy and perhaps not aware that the subject of Predestination is rather ubiquitous, almost omnipresent. If you do a search of this site you will be well rewarded with threads and posts on the subject. I have the following material on file which others will already have come across. I post it here again for you in the hope that you may find it useful

I regularly use a four dimensional framework to describe the interactions between God and man.

  1. Foreknowledge - God always knows everything, if He doesn't then He isn't God.

  2. Predestination - God predestines elements of existence, such as the Laws of Nature, the criteria for salvation, and the outcome of Judgment Day.

  3. Freewill - God calls everyone to repentance and actively works on our freewill to lead us to repentance from dead works and to faith towards Him.

  4. Divine Intervention - God knows those who are His and does whatever He wills to do according to His wisdom, mercy, and grace. 

None of these is mutually exclusive of the others, and in His eternal foreknowledge God is always intimately acquainted with all those who will eventually populate heaven, and has predestined them to be conformed to the image of His Son. The point where I part company with so-called Calvinistic predestination is when it claims the only reason people become born-again Bible-believing followers of Christ is because this was forced upon them against their will.  One ridiculous claim of hyper-Calvinists is that a person can jump off a cliff shouting, "Curse God for creating me thus!", and still get to heaven because God has predestined them to.

Being dead in trespasses and sins does not mean an incapacity to hear the word of God, but without it leading us to faith we are actually children of wrath...so much for unchangeable predestination there...while fortuitously the Word of God is living and active, in essence irresistible grace is only irresistible to those who don’t resist it, having no will or desire to resist it as evidence of the Holy Spirit at work in their lives. 


Eph 2:1  And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
Eph 2:2  in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
Eph 2:3  among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
Eph 2:4  But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
Eph 2:5  even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
Eph 2:6  and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7  that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8  For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9  not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Eph 2:10  For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. (Just like Jeremiah)

Blessings from Michael37.

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No one is special and "chosen" to be saved. God knows if a person is going to accept Jesus Christ into their life before they are born. Every one has an opportunity to be saved if they embrace Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. 

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8 hours ago, vinho1000 said:

Acordingly with the bible, God chosen before of the foundation of the world some individuals to be saved. This election was based only in the free decree of God without the works of man. Some were chosen and others are reprobates. Olny the chosen ones will be save.

Only the humble n holy r choosen to inherit the Kingdom of heaven.

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13 hours ago, vinho1000 said:

Acordingly with the bible, God chosen before of the foundation of the world some individuals to be saved. This election was based only in the free decree of God without the works of man. Some were chosen and others are reprobates. Olny the chosen ones will be save.

You are right, and yet we still have to make the decision to accept or reject Jesus.

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4 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Only the humble n holy r choosen to inherit the Kingdom of heaven.

That's what makes it so surprising how easily Christians reject GOD's OWN HOLY DAY which He generously offers to man.....what are they thinking of when adopting the pagan day of the sun god Baal ?

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11 hours ago, dailyprayerwarrior said:

I believe that we cannot begin to grasp what God knows. He is outside time so He can tell who will choose Him and who will not. He knows the end from the beginning. If one chooses Him, He knew it. If one does not, He knew it. 

This is a difficult topic.  God created us knowing who would be saved and among the elect and who would be lost, but we still choose.

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There are two separate threads on Predestination going on at the same time? :huh:

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2 minutes ago, Betha said:

That's what makes it so surprising how easily Christians reject GOD's OWN HOLY DAY which He generously offers to man.....what are they thinking of when adopting the pagan day of the sun god Baal ?

The earth church would worship on Sunday because Jesus rose on that day, and it allowed them to witness at the synagogue on Saturday.  Sadly, down the road, this led to people calling the first day of the week the Christian sabbath.

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