Neighbor Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 940 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,412 Content Per Day: 5.02 Reputation: 8,957 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 hour ago, nobleseed said: child molestation is a bit beyond the realm of common sin. By whose reasoning? I suggest it is a result of sin and not the sin itself. Much as David eyed and then took his prey, his sin was not in the taking, not even in the killng, but in disobedience of God's command. That disobedience then led to the manifestations of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 940 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,412 Content Per Day: 5.02 Reputation: 8,957 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Could there be a relatively greater sin ( if there can be such a thing ) than that of the first Adam, whose sin brought on the wrath of God to bear on to all of God's own creation? And; what was the manifestation of Adam's sin against God? And; can there be a greater consequence ( relatively ) than the result of that disobedience? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,780 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,262 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 12, 2019 2 hours ago, nobleseed said: did not Jesus say those who corrupt children will not suffer. does not the very nature of things tell u that those who hurt children are condemned. does not even a world that is evil even condemn such men? what i say is the truth. God will avenge the righteous and the innocent God also says this 2 Peter 3:9 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. KJV but as our brother George has encouraged you to let God's Word be your resolve in all this~ your emotional state towards this topic seems to say no this? I can tell you this as I have examined hell from God's Word I can see why God desires no one to go there as it was created for the devil and his angels... not Adam's children! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKay Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 385 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 7,692 Content Per Day: 1.94 Reputation: 4,809 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2019 2 hours ago, nobleseed said: what i say is the truth. No. What you are saying is not the truth. What you are saying falsehood. Not only do the verse that George posted (1Co 6:9 -10-11) point that out. But also 1 John 1:9 which reads, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." Notice it says "all unrighteousness". Now you can either accept the word of God as truth. Or continue believing in your falsehood. The truth has been clearly shown to you. The choice to accept it is up to you. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 hours ago, nobleseed said: child abusers cant be saved because by their actions they have rejected God and excepted satan into their hearts. no abomination will ever be forgiven You are coming from a place of human emotions rather than reality. God sent Jesus to save the wicked and sinful. How do you think the relatives and fellow saints felt about Paul being saved? He literally murdered their brothers and sisters in front of them, yet God used him more mightily than all of them. Be careful who you say God will not save. You straddle the line of self righteousness and do not recognize your own sinfulness and need for a savior. There is none good but Christ Jesus. We were all guilty before God. Now in Christ he has forgiven us our wickedness and made us righteous. Luk 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lftc Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 536 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 323 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, Abby-Joy said: Yes, my own father, who was one of my abusers since infancy... I cane to Christ at age 13, and the Lord gave me a burden to pray for his salvation, to stand in the gap for him. The Lord showed me through many confirmations that my father would come to Him. So I kept praying many years until God spoke to me to lay down the burden (in my early 20's). Six years later, he contacted me and we found out he was dying of cancer. The Lord allowed me the privilege of showing His love and forgiveness to my father, and my husband and I prayed with him the day he passed away. I was told that my father had accepted Christ 3 months before he passed away. He held on till I was able to pray with him. He passed away on Thanksgiving Day 2005. I know he is fully forgiven and I will see him in eternity with our Lord! I never saw peace and love in my father's eyes like I did those days before he passed. No one can do that but God. I can rest in joy today. Through Abbey I have seen Jesus. He is risen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,780 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,262 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 12, 2019 51 minutes ago, Abby-Joy said: Yes, my own father, who was one of my abusers since infancy... I came to Christ at age 13, and the Lord gave me a burden to pray for his salvation, to stand in the gap for him. The Lord showed me through many confirmations that my father would come to Him. So I kept praying many years until God spoke to me to lay down the burden (in my early 20's). Six years later, he contacted me and we found out he was dying of cancer. The Lord allowed me the privilege of showing His love and forgiveness to my father, and my husband and I prayed with him the day he passed away. I was told that my father had accepted Christ 3 months before he passed away. He held on till I was able to pray with him. He passed away on Thanksgiving Day 2005. I know he is fully forgiven and I will see him in eternity with our Lord! I never saw peace and love in my father's eyes like I did those days before he passed. No one can do that but God. That's beautiful Abby thanks for sharing! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 940 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,412 Content Per Day: 5.02 Reputation: 8,957 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted October 12, 2019 3 hours ago, nobleseed said: and its also a myth that abused become abusers, there is no evidence for that whatsoever, actually u would find the opposite true that no abused would put another person through what thye have been through On what has this conclusion been built up? Is this something simply wished to be true and therefore declared that it is? It seems irrelevant to the opening post declarations. What is the real subject here, there seems to be a dance around an issue and not a direct mention of whatever it may be. Seems like stuff just thrown on wall to see what may stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved34 Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,185 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 667 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/28/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1971 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Abby-Joy said: I so love that you use Paul as an example of someone forgiven by God. When I was in my teens, about age 16, my father called our house, drunk and suicidal. He lived with so much guilt. He felt like God could never forgive him for the things he did. God brought Paul to my mind, as an example of someone who had done horrible things before he knew Jesus. Yet God forgave Paul and look at all God accomplished through that man's life. Amen @Abby-Joy. Your father’s testimony brings joy to my heart. Even your whole attitude towards that situation is a testament to God’s powerful grace. All things truly work for the good of those that love God. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,780 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,262 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Abby-Joy said: You're welcome. One thing I failed to mention is that I had been praying that if my father was right in his heart and ready to meet the Lord, that He would take him home on Thanksgiving Day. That is exactly what happened. He passed away that night after we left his house. His last words to me were, "I'll be see'n ya." I can't imagine his gratefulness to God knowing your forgiveness of him before leaving … but at the judgment seat of Our Lord we will know fully the witness of Jesus among us 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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