nobleseed Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Members * Followers: 1 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 341 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2019 its funny when it comes to God and understanding the bible how logic and sense go out the window. a lot of people draw some strange conclusions and have even stranger beliefs. they even believe stuff the bible says not to, like Jesus was an angel (Hebrews), or that Jesus was active before he was even born. God is a logical God and he has given us the ability to reason(though obviously not to all) and to me the bible has to make sense or else it has not credibility at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steward George Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Steward Followers: 110 Topic Count: 10,465 Topics Per Day: 1.26 Content Count: 27,772 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 15,463 Days Won: 129 Joined: 06/30/2001 Status: Online Birthday: 09/21/1971 Steward Share Posted October 12, 2019 @nobleseed There are some things you do simply need to take by faith. The idea of Jesus being active before His birth is simply in the fact that He was from everlasting to everlasting .... Mic 5:2 And you, Bethlehem Ephratah, you being least among the thousands of Judah, out of you He shall come forth to Me, to become Ruler in Israel, He whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity. And simply that John clearly spells out His deity ... Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. Joh 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. Joh 1:5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it. Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth. The credibility of the Word is clear ... as its stood the test of time. Stay in the Word ... Your brother in the Lord with much agape love, George 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobleseed Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Members * Followers: 1 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 341 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, George said: @nobleseed There are some things you do simply need to take by faith. The idea of Jesus being active before His birth is simply in the fact that He was from everlasting to everlasting .... Mic 5:2 And you, Bethlehem Ephratah, you being least among the thousands of Judah, out of you He shall come forth to Me, to become Ruler in Israel, He whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity. And simply that John clearly spells out His deity ... Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. Joh 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. Joh 1:5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it. Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth. The credibility of the Word is clear ... as its stood the test of time. Stay in the Word ... Your brother in the Lord with much agape love, George to me faith is logical and to believe in things that are nonsense is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, nobleseed said: or that Jesus was active before he was even born. Read the Tanakh carefully. Yeshua is very active there. The two-powers of the Godhead is well demonstrated. Yeshua is seen as a man-like figure repeatedly. But you do have to junk your Augustine and fathers theology and study for yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, nobleseed said: its funny when it comes to God and understanding the bible how logic and sense go out the window. a lot of people draw some strange conclusions and have even stranger beliefs. they even believe stuff the bible says not to, like Jesus was an angel (Hebrews), or that Jesus was active before he was even born. God is a logical God and he has given us the ability to reason(though obviously not to all) and to me the bible has to make sense or else it has not credibility at all. Jesus was active before He was born into Human flesh.. Through Him all things where made remember.. John 1: KJV 1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. {2} The same was in the beginning with God. {3} All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, nobleseed said: to me faith is logical and to believe in things that are nonsense is not So throw out your scriptures and rely on your own logic... a broad path downhill. Edited October 12, 2019 by Justin Adams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobleseed Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Members * Followers: 1 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 341 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, Adstar said: Jesus was active before He was born into Human flesh.. Through Him all things where made remember.. John 1: KJV 1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. {2} The same was in the beginning with God. {3} All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." yes as the word, but he was not going about as an angel appearing to all the saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobleseed Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Members * Followers: 1 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 341 Content Per Day: 0.18 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Justin Adams said: So throw out you scriptures and rely on your own logic... a broad path downhill. if i do not use my logic to understand the scriptures then i have no understanding and i may as well believe in wives tales and superstitions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted October 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, nobleseed said: to me faith is logical and to believe in things that are nonsense is not Faith is trusting God when our limited intellects cannot understand / work God out.. If you only trust in what your mind can comprehend then you are trusting in yourself only.. But we can be assured that on a joyful day we shall understand all things.. 1 Corinthians 13: KJV 9"For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. {10} But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. {11} When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. {12} For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted October 12, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,565 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,045 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted October 12, 2019 28 minutes ago, nobleseed said: God is a logical God and he has given us the ability to reason(though obviously not to all) and to me the bible has to make sense or else it has not credibility at all. Hi, well does the Bible make sense ( to you ), or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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