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its funny when it comes to God and understanding the bible how logic and sense go out the window.  a lot of people draw some strange conclusions and have even stranger beliefs.  they even believe stuff the bible says not to, like Jesus was an angel (Hebrews), or that Jesus was active before he was even born.  God is a logical God and he has given us the ability to reason(though obviously not to all) and to me the bible has to make sense or else it has not credibility at all.

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4 minutes ago, George said:

@nobleseed  There are some things you do simply need to take by faith.  The idea of Jesus being active before His birth is simply in the fact that He was from everlasting to everlasting ....

Mic 5:2  And you, Bethlehem Ephratah, you being least among the thousands of Judah, out of you He shall come forth to Me, to become Ruler in Israel, He whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.

And simply that John clearly spells out His deity ...

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  He was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 
Joh 1:4  In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 
Joh 1:5  And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it. 

Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth.

The credibility of the Word is clear ... as its stood the test of time.  :)

Stay in the Word ... 

Your brother in the Lord with much agape love,

George

 

to me faith is logical and to believe in things that are nonsense is not

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13 minutes ago, nobleseed said:

or that Jesus was active before he was even born.

Read the Tanakh carefully. Yeshua is very active there. The two-powers of the Godhead is well demonstrated.

Yeshua is seen as a man-like figure repeatedly.

But you do have to junk your Augustine and fathers theology and study for yourself.

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10 minutes ago, nobleseed said:

its funny when it comes to God and understanding the bible how logic and sense go out the window.  a lot of people draw some strange conclusions and have even stranger beliefs.  they even believe stuff the bible says not to, like Jesus was an angel (Hebrews), or that Jesus was active before he was even born.  God is a logical God and he has given us the ability to reason(though obviously not to all) and to me the bible has to make sense or else it has not credibility at all.

Jesus was active before He was born into Human flesh..

Through Him all things where made remember..

John 1: KJV

1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. {2} The same was in the beginning with God. {3} All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

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4 minutes ago, nobleseed said:

to me faith is logical and to believe in things that are nonsense is not

So throw out your scriptures and rely on your own logic... a broad path downhill.

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Just now, Adstar said:

Jesus was active before He was born into Human flesh..

Through Him all things where made remember..

John 1: KJV

1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. {2} The same was in the beginning with God. {3} All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

yes as the word, but he was not going about as an angel appearing to all the saints.

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1 minute ago, Justin Adams said:

So throw out you scriptures and rely on your own logic... a broad path downhill.

if i do not use my logic to understand the scriptures then i have no understanding and i may as well believe in wives tales and superstitions 

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5 minutes ago, nobleseed said:

to me faith is logical and to believe in things that are nonsense is not

Faith is trusting God when our limited intellects cannot understand / work God out.. 

If you only trust in what your mind can comprehend then you are trusting in yourself only..

But we can be assured that on a joyful day we shall understand all things.. :)

1 Corinthians 13: KJV

9"For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. {10} But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. {11} When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. {12} For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

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28 minutes ago, nobleseed said:

God is a logical God and he has given us the ability to reason(though obviously not to all) and to me the bible has to make sense or else it has not credibility at all.

Hi, well does the Bible make sense ( to you ), or not?

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