Gentle-Warrior Posted October 29, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 212 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Montana Marv said: There inheritance is the Land. Yet Daniel will die. But at the end he shall rise to receive his inheritance, the Land. Christ will rule 1000 years with a rod of iron. Why, because of all idol worshipers who came out of the 70th Week. In Christ Montana Marv Nope. Their inheritance was conditional to their obedience so unless you can provide chapter and verse where they repented after they lost the land in A.D. 70 while the Jews were scattered to the nearby nations. The fact is that the destruction of the temple and the setting of the entire city of Jerusalem on fire was the result of God's judgment against them for having killed His Son, for having killed His prophets and for having persecuted both Jews and Gentiles to the death afterwards. You have no case. Matthew 23:34–38 (NIV) "Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation. 37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate." 1 Thessalonians 2:14–16 (NIV) "For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone 16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last." Let me know if you want me to provide OT scriptures where the giving of the land to Israel was conditional upon their obedience to God's laws and statutes. Besides that, the land was given to them within the terms of the old covenant promises/responsibilities. Nothing in the NT speaks about giving the Jews the land back after they lost it in A.D. 70, but you are welcome to do a search. Edited October 29, 2019 by Gentle-Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentle-Warrior Posted October 29, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 212 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 29, 2019 20 minutes ago, Tampered With said: "All admit the importance of the Abrahamic Covenant in understanding biblical revelation, but not all agree on its interpretation. Genesis 12 is a pivotal statement of the covenant because it contains God’s first recorded speech to Abraham. There God promises to make Abraham a great nation, to bless him, and to make his name great. Genesis 15 makes clear that the LORD took upon Himself alone the responsibility for fulfilling the covenant. Genesis 17 adds the revelation that the covenant would be everlasting. Genesis 18 and 22 restate terms of the covenant in connection with the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and the offering of Abraham’s son Isaac. Exodus through Deuteronomy describe the initial outworking of the Abrahamic Covenant. The elements of the covenant are threefold: making Abraham into a great nation, blessing Abraham personally, and blessing all nations in Abraham. The promises of the covenant are unconditional. The rest of the OT repeatedly refers back to God’s oath to Abraham in the Torah. The NT does the same by pointing out that Jesus Christ, Abraham’s seed, will make possible the final fulfillment of that covenant in the future." Excerpt from: THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT, Keith H. Essex, Assistant Professor of Bible Exposition The Abrahamic covenant was fulfilled in Christ. Galatians 3:7–8 (NIV) "Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” Galatians 3:13–14 (NASB95) "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith." Galatians 3:16 (NASB95) "Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentle-Warrior Posted October 29, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 212 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 29, 2019 40 minutes ago, Tampered With said: It was not possible for the Abrahamic Covenant to be fulfilled in Christ's first appearance on earth because of what the Abrahamic Covenant entails however Christ will fulfill the Abrahamic Covenant upon His Second Coming as recorded in the Book of Revelation and as described by the Old Testament Prophets. Christ fulfills the complete Abrahamic Covenant to a now saved Israel. It is quite clear for those with ears to hear, eyes that see clearly, and an understanding quickened by the Spirit of God. We gentile believers are graphed into this promise (see all of Romans 11) but remember: Romans 11:29 Amplified Bible (AMP) 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable [for He does not withdraw what He has given, nor does He change His mind about those to whom He gives His grace or to whom He sends His call]. This has nothing to do with "the Law", Christ Completed His Salvation Mission; this has to do with the rest of God's Plan for the universe. The Bible did not end at Calvary it was just the beginning of "Spiritual Life." One can't stay a "spiritual infant" just born again forever; at some point we all have to start growing up in the Lord and understanding. Praise God! OK, so you deny the scriptures I provided because you already decided what to to believe? Got cha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentle-Warrior Posted October 29, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 212 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) On 10/29/2019 at 2:10 PM, Tampered With said: I read, study, and understand Bible Scripture as It is written. No, you deny Gal. 3 as it is written because national, modern and secular Israel is more important than what Jesus accomplished at the cross? For me it will always be Jesus + Nothing. Edited October 30, 2019 by Gentle-Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_S Posted October 30, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Tampered With said: Would moderation at some point moderate. Please! It would be helpful if things were reported so moderation knew that there was a necessity to moderate! To make it simple enough for all involved though. Any getting personal going forward will result in the one who does so being immediately removed from this thread upon our discovery of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentle-Warrior Posted October 30, 2019 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 212 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 30, 2019 21 hours ago, Tampered With said: Would moderation at some point moderate. Please! Yes, go ahead and moderate your scriptures. None of what you claim is found in the scriptures. God does not dwell on earth, but in heaven (Isa. 66:1). Jesus is GOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_S Posted October 30, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted October 30, 2019 Gentile Warrior has been removed from the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCoot Posted November 25, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,192 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 429 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1957 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) On 10/14/2019 at 1:18 PM, missmuffet said: All those who enter the 1000 year millennium will be believers in Jesus Christ. They will come into the millennium with earthly bodies. All of those who remained on earth who are not believers will be sent to Hades to wait the end of the 1000 year millennium for the Great White Throne judgement. Yes, I would agree that those who make it thru the upheaval of the tribulation period and enter into the millennial kingdom will likely all be believers, but they will have children during the millennial kingdom, and those children will have children, and so on. Towards the end of the millennial kingdom, a major repopulation of the earth will have happened and there will be a major rebellion once again. So while all those who enter into the kingdom probably are believers, there is no supporting evidence that all in the millennial kingdom will be believers and accepting of the rule of Messiah. At least Revelation 20, Psalm 2, etc seem to suggest that. And Revelation 2:26-27 which shows Psalm 2 again. If Messiah and the overcomers are having to rule with a rod of iron during the millennial kingdom, by default that means there will be those who get out of line. And towards the end of that period, there will be enough discontent and rejection of Messiah that when Satan is released, he is able to foment another world wide rebellion against Messiah. Not a pretty picture, but even the kingdom parables of Matthew 13 allude to the same thing. The heart of mortal man is still motivated to sin and rebel against the Messiah. Edited November 25, 2019 by OldCoot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted November 25, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, OldCoot said: Yes, I would agree that those who make it thru the upheaval of the tribulation period and enter into the millennial kingdom will likely all be believers, but they will have children during the millennial kingdom, and those children will have children, and so on. Towards the end of the millennial kingdom, a major repopulation of the earth will have happened and there will be a major rebellion once again. So while all those who enter into the kingdom probably are believers, there is no supporting evidence that all in the millennial kingdom will be believers and accepting of the rule of Messiah. At least Revelation 20, Psalm 2, etc seem to suggest that. And Revelation 2:26-27 which shows Psalm 2 again. If Messiah and the overcomers are having to rule with a rod of iron during the millennial kingdom, by default that means there will be those who get out of line. And towards the end of that period, there will be enough discontent and rejection of Messiah that when Satan is released, he is able to foment another world wide rebellion against Messiah. Not a pretty picture, but even the kingdom parables of Matthew 13 allude to the same thing. The heart of mortal man is still motivated to sin and rebel against the Messiah. I agree with you on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevelationWriter Posted December 26, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 608 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted December 26, 2019 * King Yeshua Will Sit Upon His Davidic Throne. * Jesus told His 12 Disciples That In The Regeneration When He Sits On His Throne Of Glory They Too Would Sit On 12 Thrones Judging The 12 Tribes Of Israel (144,000). - Matt19:28 And John Saw Thrones And Judgment Was Committed To Them - Rev.20:4 * The 24 Elders Say They Are A Kingdom Of Priests Who Will Come Back To Reign On Earth. - Rev.5:10 For King David & The Priest Zadok Established The 24 Divisions Of Israel's Priesthood To God - 1Chron.24 ~ King Yeshua ~ Kingdom Israel (144,000) ~ 12 Apostolic Judges ~ The 24 Elders Of God's Priesthood Of Israel. No Gentiles Are Coming Back With Yeshua For His 1,000 yr reign on earth. Gentiles will go into heavenly New Jerusalem - Rev.7:9 And will come down out of heaven in New Jerusalem to the new earth - Rev.21 * Jesus Marries Gentiles. Who stay in New Jerusalem. - Rev.3:7-13 Rev.7:9 * Jesus Does Not Marry Israel For God Is Married To Israel. - Jer.3:14 False Doctrines Of Catholicism Have Caused You To Believe In Your Replacement Theology Of Israel. As The Catholics Have Tried To Usurp Israel's Position With God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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