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I remember i was on this other Christian forum about 2 years ago. i was kicked off the forum among many reasons (some legitimate which i accept)

but one accusation i got from a moderator there was i misogynistic

i never received a proper explanation on how i was misogynistic.

but one of the things i have posted on that forum at the time was mine misgiving about the metoo movement

how the movement promote this idea all allegations of sexual misconduct should not just be taken seriously as in an impartial and thorough investigation must be carried out. But all allegation must be believed as in taken at face value. Which goes against  the fundamental legal principle (which i believe is also a Christian principle) that is a person is innocent until proven guilty.

not to mention as human beings, we all have sinful nature, and that means false allegations do happens.

i have heard on many US college campus, metoo movements means proper procedures when investigating complaints have been set aside. which have resulted in young men being wrongfully accused and got kicked out of school etc

anyway, i am rambling on a bit, but i have always wondered whether that staff member on that Christian forum is a feminist, and want to shut down opinions that are different from His, even though it does not violate the forums rules.

anyway, so what is your guys' opinion on the current state of feminism and what is your opinion of men's rights movement?

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For the body of the church I have the opinion that God's word is  relevant today, will be tomorrow, and has always been.

As to accusations; Matthew 18 gives instruction and declares principles that  are to be obeyed.  The fact that much of the the liberal and unsaved world is forever finding new ways to be embracing that which is not Biblical should be no surprise to any of those that are Christian and read the word of God. 

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I think we need to separate the two things you mention - feminism is one thing, the "me too" movement is another. 

I've always been a bit dumbfounded about feminists and why there is this desire to prove that woman can do everything men can do (we already know we can lol kidding) - I'm all for equal pay/rights, but as a female, I'd rather not do some of the more stereotypical "man tasks" or jobs. I think when feminism first began, it may have been a good thing but sadly, as society usually does, we've ruined any positive work coming from it. Instead, to me, it's as simple as the normal corruption of this world. We've taken God's design and tried to twist it without realizing/accepting His design was best. He made man and woman to compliment one another - so that we could work in harmony together, recognizing that each on their own was lacking something. 

As far as my thoughts on the "me too" movement - there probably are some false reports made but we also do live in a very broken world that likes to silence/shame the many who have suffered sexual attacks/violence. If it's done nothing else, at least it's brought the subject to light and those who unfortunately do suffer/have suffered feel they have a voice. I don't think we should set aside proper investigation/procedure by any means, but we need to let the victims them know it's okay to come forward/speak up. 

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I say give em back to the snakes 1962830704_compmecoonstickwiththumbup245small.jpg.0bf80bcd23e933ba560271cd5ac494f8.jpg

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Feminism advocates equal rights for men/women. If men and women would walk in obedience to God's word radical feminism would be seen for what it is. The harmony that God has ordained would be the result.

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1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

I say give em back to the snakes 1962830704_compmecoonstickwiththumbup245small.jpg.0bf80bcd23e933ba560271cd5ac494f8.jpg

And where does that leave Adam? He is the one who went along with it. 

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I may regret this, but.....

….well, I don't normally talk about this on message boards unless it's brought up.  I'm a first wave feminist and have been since I was about 25 years old [I'm 58 now].

What that means in terms of what I am NOT:

  •  I am not one of these second and third wavers who dress up like genitals and protest Trump.  I don't care for Trump's ways at al, but to do what those women did was senseless and stupid and completely ineffective and only made things worse.  Plus, it wasn't Biblical.  It wasn't what a Christian woman should do.
  •  I do not believe in women climbing over the backs of children, men, and other women to make a name for themselves.
  •  I am not a man-hater.

What does this mean in terms of what I AM.  I am a believer that things are not right in terms of some women's issues and that some things do need changing and are very, very HARD to change.  For example:

  •  The marital rape exemption laws in the United States did not begin to be taken off of the state's books until 1975.  Not 1775.  Not even 1875.  But 1975.   Up until that point, in all 50 states a man could rape his wife and there would be no legal consequences.  It came from an archaic law in England that said when a woman married -  her right to consent or not consent with her husband was  null and void.  She was his property.  All 50 states now have no marital rape exemption laws anymore [it took decades for all 50 states to comply], but there are other problems.  Several states have granted for a husband's immunity if his wife is drugged or incapacitated and cannot give consent.  He cannot be charged with a crime. Yes.  Read that again.  One particular wife found this out the hard way.  She found a thumb drive with video of her husband raping her while she was drugged.  She took it to the police, they arrested her husband, and he was let go by noon because of that particular exemption.  Other states have much shorter statutes of limitation for wives than for non-wives and in some states, a wife has to prove her husband used a weapon of some kind, a knife, a gun, and baseball bat.  She can't just claim he pinned her down.  What all of these tells me is what I have known for most of my life.  We still don't fully comprehend what rape is in this country.  The Center for Disease Control estimates that somewhere around 9% of wives have been raped by husbands.  Other sources claim as much as 14%.  The point is - while it's a good thing that marital rape is criminalized in all 50 states now - there is still a mindset that a wife cannot be raped by her husband in the hearts of some people.

 

  •   And speaking of mindsets, for me - it is a problem of the heart and mind.  I know a lot of great Christian men who just have a heart and mind problem.  Last week on another forum I have frequented since 2002, a man that I thought I knew rather well made this statement:  "Women are more carnally minded than men, that's why they aren't allowed to  lead anywhere".   In my church, there's a particular man I work with in the music ministry and I have for 30 years.  I read a book by a particular woman that was outstanding.  Great Christian teachings.  I suggested it to him.  He said he would pass.  I said, "Well, I've got the tape of it, if you rather just listen to it."  He said, "It's not that I mind if women have opinions because I don't.  I just don't like listening to women talk."  And he laughed.  My pastor, whom I appreciate very much has said some things from the pulpit about women that I haven't appreciated at all as they cannot be found in the Bible.  He once said that Dinah, in Genesis was raped because she should not have been visiting those other women all by herself.  He blamed the victim.  There's more, but I'll not say anymore as other than his issues with women - he's a very good pastor.

 

  •   MINDSET:  The only entire sermon from Joel Osteen I've listened to was on marriage.  He did not use scriptures.  He just made it up as he went.  He talked to women for about 25 minutes and told them how they contributed to marriage problems.  He said they were too fat, wore ratty nightgowns to bed, didn't "meet their husbands needs" enough [and told them that they husband were just going to find sex somewhere else if they did have sex more], they should meet their husbands at the door each evening in full make-up and fixed hair-dos, and should do what is done in HIS household and all undergarments should come from Victoria's Secret. He gave this delivery as if he were on Comedy Central.  The congregation just laughed and laughed.   He told the husbands two things.  Stop bugging your wives about sex and talk more.

 

  •   MINDSET:  Ed Young, in a televised series of sermons on sexual relations told women that they should dress properly.  And they should.  But here is how he said it.  "Ladies, cover up your boobs and your butts.  I don't like looking at your boobs and your butts."  And he had a look on his face like he was smelling rotten eggs and looking at someone vomiting.  I changed the channel.

 

  •   MINDSET:  Mark Driscoll believes and teaches from his pulpit and his books that wives MUST perform oral sex on their husbands or they are sinning against God.  He gives the story of a wife who had an unbelieving husband and she did not perform this act.  After a sermon from Mark from his pulpit, she "got convicted" - went home and apologized to her husband and to God in front of her husband and then proceded to well.... you know.  The next Sunday the man came to church with his wife and "got saved".  Mark says, there in lies the proof of what he preaches.

 

  •  MINDSET:  This past Valentines' Day at Louisiana College, the visiting chapel pastor gave a sermon on "female sexuality".  One of his bullet points in his "sermon" was that women should shave their pubic hair to please their men.  He said it in a crude way - "Ladies, you need to keep your lawn mowed for your man."  He was comparing their bodies to a house.  After the students filed a complaint, nothing was done because "this pastor is an important man in his community".  The audio tape of that service was taken off-line.  You can hear all the others, but not that one.  Nothin was done and it was claimed that "cultural differences caused the offence".  What does than even mean?

 

It's just attitudes like this that I have encountered all my life both in and out of the church.  I LOVE and APPRECATE the men in my life - for a variety of reasons.  As I said, I am not a man-hater.  

And it's not just men you hear this from.  There are scores of women who just dump on women all the time for not being the delicate little flower.  I have a Facebook friend who hates abortion as much as I do.  But she will post things like "If these women would just keep their legs shut - maybe we wouldn't have all these dead babies."  What about the woman who is raped?  The one pregnant by a boyfriend/husband and abandoned or coerced into an abortion?  She puts all women who have had or contemplated abortion in to the same category - whore.  Her next Facebook post will be "oh, how I love Jesus!"

I listened to a woman online yesterday who claimed that women should not have a job outside the home because women just are NOT goal-driven like men are and don't have the intestinal fortitude for it.  If I could have rolled my eyes back in head any further, I would have been staring at my own brain.  I think this woman has neither been a stay-at-home-mother nor a member of the outside workforce.  It takes DRIVE and goal-setting for BOTH.

 

There are enough people - men and women alike - who believe and teach that women are inferior in all ways: mentally, spiritually, emotionally, intellectually, and more to cause me to embrace the mindset and heart of my foremothers:  Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, Priscilla, Phoebe, my suffragette sisters and more.

 

I reject the feminism of the this new generation of women.  It involves treating men with as much disdain and some men treat women with.  That - I reject.

 

 

 

 

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55 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

And where does that leave Adam? He is the one who went along with it. 

Living with snake charmers :blink:

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I'm a guy but here's my input:

What you'll see as attack headlines on YouTube or news sites is generally single instances of radfems which get spread around like a wildfire.

There are still several issues facing women today, we've seen some of that with the #MeToo movement, and I've seen a lot of the ways other men talk about women as demeaning. There's also issues like the gender pay gap, which I read as $0.89 per dollar the last time I checked, although different sources will give wildly different answers. During an IT internship I took over the summer, I met about 40 male employees, I only saw two women; there's still a major disparity between genders in certain job fields.

Yes, there are a few man-hating radical feminist types out there, but there are also some real issues and I don't think we should let that small vocal group overshadow the other actual problems women have to deal with.

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Both groups make decent points, but so as well do they make bad points, points where they are clearly self-interested and are looking for superiority rather than equality.

As it is with many things, to me, it just seems like a bunch of people having no thought nor clue as to what they're screeching about, and so I likewise just tune out their idiocy. Bunch of pointless messy nonsense people do so love to embrace out of lack of anything else interesting about their lives or themselves. We are people. Encourage people to treat people like people, in fairness and honesty. Nothing more really needs to be said beyond that.

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