"Having Done All—Stand”

[Adam777]

56 minutes ago, WordSword said:

Not to dispute your comment, but just wanted to add that though most of the Hebrews in the past did not believe in God, there were always many who did. Same for the Jews since then, most have yet to believe in the Lord Jesus, but many have. The phrase "those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil" is to the Messianic Jews.

I agree here if you mean not saved (out of the Lord), but it's my understanding that believers who are "yet carnal" (1Co 3:3) are still "in Christ" and are His (1Co 3:1,23). I believe all who have been reborn in Christ will continue to "grow up into Him in all things" (Eph 4:15), because "it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure” (Phl 2:13).

 

Blessings!

 

 

 

Strong meat belongs to someone with Christ in them, who gives us discernment, that is why the word of God is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart, as we have Christ, who is the Word, in us, to discern with, and men's opinion is without any discernment. Light excels darkness.

 

The entire word of God is warning for us, it is judgement, as we shall go to judgement.

 

Below, we are told, what carnal means, as it continues later, defiling the temple of the Lord means destruction, it is not flattery of men, this gospel, that is their attempted deception, and it is completely exposed and failed today, this is the warning of the Lord, teaching to avoid damnation, if you do not mind, man..

 

1 Corinthians 3:² I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.³ For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?⁴ For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

1 Corinthians 3:¹⁶ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?¹⁷ If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

[WordSword]

20 hours ago, Adam777 said:

The entire word of God is warning for us, it is judgement, as we shall go to judgement.

Those who have professed faith in Christ but have not shown the fruits of it are obviously false professors ("A man may say" - Jam 2:18), and this is where the issue of "witness" lies, and much confusion with unlearned true professors. The first truth to establish concerning a believer (good for both of us) is that there will "no condemnation" (Rom 8:1). The "judgement seat of Christ" is "good" for the believer, but "bad" for the unbeliever; who will receive "the terror of the Lord" (v 11). These are they who "glory in appearance but not in heart" (v 12).

 

21 hours ago, Adam777 said:

Below, we are told, what carnal means, as it continues later, defiling the temple of the Lord means destruction,

I think most misunderstand the application concerning who is guilty of "defilement of the temple" in this passage. It applies to those unbelievers, who “by the wisdom of the world, through philosophy, and vain deceit; by bringing in false doctrines, errors, and heresies, and hereby corrupt their minds from the simplicity that is in Christ; and make rents, factions, and divisions among them.” (J Gill). This cannot apply to believers because they will not desire to do anything that "defiles."

21 hours ago, Adam777 said:

1 Corinthians 3:² I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.³ For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?⁴ For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

This exemplifies a carnal Christian, who is one which has yet to understand what they are about to learn from Paul's rebuke. I also think many confuse being "carnal" in verses 1 & 3 here, with Romans 8:6, 7. Being "carnal minded" means to be after and in the sin nature, which refers to being an unbeliever (because it still dominates them). Though the sin nature is in believers, they are not after or "in the flesh" (sin nature - v 9), i.e. God never again regards us after it; which would be for God to regard Him who we are in after the same manner.

[Adam777]

"The first truth to establish concerning a believer (good for both of us) is that there will "no condemnation"

 

A believer will not have condemnation, if their deeds are manifested that they are wrought in God...

 

John 3:¹⁹ And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.²⁰ For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.²¹ But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

 

1 Timothy 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

 

 

James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

 

Romans 14:²² Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.²³ And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

 

 

There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus (who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.)

 

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

The verses never say we are beyond condemnation, they clearly show we can fall into condemnation, and have to not doubt, and let our yes, be yes, or we will fall into thaty condemnation of the devil, if we feel safe, that we cannot return into condemnation, and thn without fear of the Lord we will retuern to the flesh and be damned also.

 

"(Rom 8:1). The "judgement seat of Christ" is "good" for the believer, but "bad" for the unbeliever; who will receive "the terror of the Lord" (v 11). These are they who "glory in appearance but not in heart" (v 12)."

 

The believer also fears the terror of the Lord and therefore labours to be accepted of Him, as the non believers do not labour..

 

2 Corinthians 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.¹⁰ For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.¹¹ Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

[JustPassingThru]

On 10/22/2019 at 11:49 AM, Adam777 said:

There are no new born babes, the word reveals AS new born babes,

One major problem with your opinion, ...the word AS is not in the original text!, it was added by the translators, to infer the meaning, to make it more clear to English speaking readers.

But much more important that that, ...are you saying you were never a new born babe in Christ?

 

[Adam777]

10 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:

One major problem with your opinion, ...the word AS is not in the original text!, it was added by the translators, to infer the meaning, to make it more clear to English speaking readers.

But much more important that that, ...are you saying you were never a new born babe in Christ?

 

It is more clear by placing AS into the text, because there are no babies in Christ, there are ONLY, the examples we have to follow..

Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Acts 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

Acts 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
 

In front of everyone here, if you have anything to back up your opinion, that there are babies in Christ, can you show an, another example, showing someone who is a babe in Christ, and they are an example of a an actual believer in Christ and accepted in the way they are ? If you cannot, it is because there are only examples of everybody being of the same min, and heart and ways, because it is told this way by the Lord..

 

that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

 

Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

 

Thy people also shall be all righteous:

 

they shall inherit the land for ever,

 

the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

 

And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the Lord: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

 

That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

 

all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

 

In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

 

 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

 

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

 

 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

 

 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

 

Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

Matthew 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

 

Isaiah 60:21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

 

 

Jeremiah 24:7 And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the Lord: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

 

Ezekiel 11:20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

 

1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

 

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

 

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

[Adam777]

15 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:

One major problem with your opinion, ...the word AS is not in the original text!, it was added by the translators, to infer the meaning, to make it more clear to English speaking readers.

But much more important that that, ...are you saying you were never a new born babe in Christ?

 

Every single scripture that people try to manipulate to say there are babies in Christ, or we begin as babes or children, is included here, if they were honest, they would have some kind of opinion, but what is there left to say ?

The testimony tells us, if we do not have charity, we are NOTHING...

1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and HAVE NOT CHARITY, I AM NOTHING.

 

Charity is when that which is perfect is come, which is Christ through the Spirit in us, and the part is done away, which is the child part, as when a child we think as a child, but we put away childish things, we become a man if we are to have Christ in us, and remember without this we are NOTHING, and as told here too, WE ARE NONE OF HIS of we are in the flesh ( WALK AS MEN) and not in the Spirit..

1 Corinthians 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then THAT WHICH IS IN PART SHALL BE DONE AWAY.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I UNDERSTOOD AS A CHILD, I thought as a child: but when I BECAME A MAN, I PUT AWAY CHILDISH THINGS.
12 FOR NOW WE SEE THROUGH A GLASS, DARKLY; but then face to face: now I know in part; BUT THEN SHALL I KNOW EVEN AS ALSO I AM KNOWN.
13 And NOW ABIDETH FAITH, HOPE, CHARITY, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now IF ANY MAN HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, HE IS NONE OF HIS.

 

 

Children cannot understand, men understand, if we cannot understand, it is testified here, the one who speaks( IT IS THE LORD SPEAKING) is a barbarian unto us, and we are a barbarian unto him, and these people invent that we are babes and children, when the word has revealed then they say God is a barbarian unto them..

 

1 Corinthians 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue WORDS EASY TO BE UNDERSTOOD, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore IF I KNOW NOT THE MEANING OF THE VOICE, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and HE THAT SPEAKETH SHALL BE A BARBARIAN TO ME.
12 Even so ye, FORASMUCH AS YE ARE ZEALOUS OF SPIRITUAL GIFTS, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

1 Corinthians 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, BE NOT CHILDREN IN UNDERSTANDING: howbeit in malice be ye children, but In UNDERSTANDING BE YE MEN.

 

 

It is so popular, they have shown to me while I have been here, to say we are fallen from grace to talk about doing the commandments of Christ. Read with me how we see three times, how they fail of the grace of God by this deception. We are beseeched not to receive the grace of God in vain, the Apostles hearts are enlarged through the Spirit in Christ, and they speak as unto children, as they are not enlarged in Christ, and are beseeched not to receive the grace of God in vain, for being as children..

 

2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, BESEECH YOU ALSO THAT YOU RECEIVE NOT THE GRACE OF GOD IN VAIN.
2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

2 Corinthians 6:11 O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, OUR HEART IS ENLARGED.
12 YE ARE NOT STRAIGHTENED IN US, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.
13 Now for a recompence in the same, (I SPEAK AS UNTO MY CHILDREN,) BE YE ALSO ENLARGED.

 

 

Again, as unto children, and to come out from among this sin world, and then the Lord would receive them, as thy are NOT RECEIVED YET..

2 Corinthians 6:17 WHEREFORE COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; AND I WILL RECEIVE YOU.
18 AND WILL BE A FATHER UNTO YOU, AND YE SHALL BE MY SONS AND DAUGHTERS, saith the Lord Almighty.

 

 

Because when we were children, we are servants of the bondage of sin, but God sent the Spirit of His Son to us, so we no longer be that servant of sin, which is children of the devil..

 

Galatians 4:3 EVEN SO WE, WHEN WE WERE CHILDREN, WERE IN BONDAGE TO THE ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD:
4 But when the fulness of THE TIME WAS COME, GOD SENT FORTH HIS SON, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 TO REDEEM THEM that were under the law, THAT WE MIGHT RECEIVE THE ADOPTION OF SONS.
6 And because ye are sons, GOD HATH SENT FORTH THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON INTO YOUR HEARTS, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art NO MORE A SERVANT ( OF SIN) , BUT A SON; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

 

 

This continues, they never knew God as these children, they were only known of God,  they desire to return to the bondage servants of sin again, this is why they re addressed to as children, as Christ is not in them in any fashion...

Galatians 4:9 But now, AFTER THAT YE HAVE KNOWN GOD, OR RATHER ARE KNOWN OF GOD, how TURN YE AGAIN TO THE WEAK AND BEGGERLY ELEMENTS, whereunto YE DESIRE AGAIN TO BE IN BONDAGE?

Galatians 4:19 MY LITTLE CHILDREN, OF WHOM I TRAVAIL IN BIRTH AGAIN until Christ be formed in you,
20 I desire to be present with you now, and TO CHANGE MY VOICE; FOR I STAND IN DOUBT OF YOU.

 

 

Also it is testified, better to not have known the holy commandment, than ti turn away from it again, they return to their vomit and filth, this is what children is showing, not as they have began right in anything..

 

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been BETTER FOR THEM NOT TO HAVE KNOWN THE WAY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, THAN AFTER THEY HAVE KNOWN IT, TO TURN FROM THE HOLY COMMANDMENT DELIVERED UNTO THEM.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, THE DOG IS TURNED TO HIS OWN VOMIT AGAIN, AND THE SOW THAT WAS WASHED TO HER WALLOWING IN THE MIRE.

 

 

Then we come to the true unity of the faith, to have faith, not be as children without it, but into the perfect man, the measure of the stature of Christ, as we heard above, God sent forth the Spirit of the Son to us, to be no more children, but to grow up to Christ in all things.

 

Ephesians 4:13 Till we ALL COME IN THE UNITY OF THE FAITH, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, UNTO A PERFECT MAN, unto the measure of THE STATURE OF THE FULNESS OF CHRIST:
14 THAT HENCEFORTH WE BE NO MORE CHILDREN, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

 

 

To stop walking as men as that is carnal and as babes, this is understanding darkened, who give themselves to lasciviousness, but to put off this old man, or childish ways, as this is corrupt according to their deceitful lusts, but we be renewed in the Spirit, and the mind of a man not of a child, is putting on the new man, which is God giving the Spirit of the Son into our hearts, and we see this is the ONLY TRUE BEGINNING, CREATED IN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND TRUE HOLINESS..

Ephesians 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye HENCEFORTH WALK NOT AS THE GENTILES WALK, IN THE VANITY OF THEIR MIND,
18 HAVING THE UNDERSTANDING DARKENED, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have GIVEN THEMSELVES OVER UNTO LASCIVIOUSNESS, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

Ephesians 4:22 That ye PUT OFF CONCERNING THE FORMER CONVERSATION THE OLD MAN, WHICH IS CORRUPT ACCORDING TO THE DECEITFUL LUSTS;
23 And BE RENEWED IN THE SPIRIT OF YOUR MIND;
24 And THAT YE PUT ON THE NEW MAN, WHICH AFTER GOD IS CREATED IN RIGHTEOUSNESS AND TRUE HOLINESS.

 

 

Evil hearts of unbelief are in the deceitfulness of sin, AGAIN IT IS MADE CLEAR FOR THE ONES TEACHING WE BEGIN AS BABES, WE ARE ONLY MADE PARTAKERS OF CHRIST IF WE HOLD FAST THE BEGINNING OF OUR CONFIDENCE AND STEDFAST TO THE END, we cannot begin weakly, this is man made heresy..

 

Hebrews 3:12 TAKE HEED, brethren, LEST THERE BE IN YOU AN EVIL HEART OF UNBELIEF, in DEPARTING FROM THE LIVING GOD.
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; LEST ANY OF YOU BE HARDENED THROUGH THE DECEITFULNESS OF SIN
14 FOR WE ARE MADE PARTAKERS OF CHRIST, IF WE HOLD FAST THE BEGINNING OF OUR CONFIDENCE STEDFAST UNTO THE END;

 

 

We cannot defile the temple of God at any time.

But these men crept in, to say we can, as they are predicted to do this now, to turn the grace of God into lasciviousness..

1 Corinthians 3:17 IF ANY MAN DEFILE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, HIM SHALL GOD DESTROY; for THE TEMPLE OF GOD IS HOLY, WHICH TEMPLE YE ARE.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ORDAINED TO THIS CONDEMNATION, UNGODLY MEN, TURNING THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO LASCIVIOUSNESS, AND DENYING THE ONLY LORD GOD, and OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

 

When we are spoken to as children, this is as we may despise or faint, and ONLY if we endure chastening, we are as sons to the Lord, or we are not sons at all..

Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten THE EXHORTATION WHICH SPEAKETH UNTO YOU AS UNTO CHILDREN, My son, DESPISE NOT THE CHASTENING of the Lord, NOR FAINT WHEN THOU ART REBUKED of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, AND SCOURGETH EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVETH.
7 IF YE ENDURE CHASTENING, GOD DEALETH WITH YOU AS WITH SONS; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 BUT IF YE BE WITHOUT CHASTISEMENT whereof all are partakers, THEN ARE YE BASTARDS , AND NOT SONS.

 

 

If we do not have peace with all men and holiness, we never will see the Lord, this is AGAIN, FAILING OF THE GRACE OF GOD, which three times here, reveals these who pretend we need to grow and begin as sinning babes in Christ, are rebuked by the Lords word. Many are DEFILED, as said above, if they defile the temple of God, which they excuse by insisting we begin as these non understanding children, then we will be destroyed, and many are defiled, showing they never were allowed to be these children at all, it is a false misrepresentation. We hear the testimony I repeated again, the condemnation is only on those who do not walk after the flesh, and these who they think are allowed to be children in Christ o babes, are yewt carnal and walk as men, which is in the flesh and not in the Spirit, not in Christ and ARE IN CONDEMNATION..

Hebrews 12:14 FOLLOW PEACE AND HOLINESS WITH ALL MEN, WITHOUT WHICH NO MAN SHALL SEE THE LORD:
15 LOOKING DILLIGENTLY LEST ANY MAN FAIL OF THE GRACE OF GOD; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, AND THEREBY MANY BE DEFILED;
16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

Romans 8:1 THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION TO THEM WHICH ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT

1 Corinthians 3:3 FOR YE ARE YET CARNAL: for whereas there is AMONG YOU ENVYING AND STRIFE, and divisions, ARE YE NOT CARNAL AND WALK AS MEN?

 

 

They are warned to lay aside all malice and guile and envies, this is to taste the Lords grace and not as told here, to have failed the grace of God. So they are beseeched, these so called babes, to abstain from fleshy lusts, and to have their conversation honest, and to show their good works to glorify God( so we be not condemned)..

1 Peter 2:1 WHEREFORE LAYING ASIDE ALL MALICE, AND ALL GUILE, AND ENVIES, AND ALL EVIL SPEAKINGS,
2 As NEWBORN BABES, desire the SINCERE MILK OF HE WORD, that ye may grow thereby:
3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

1 Peter 2:11 Dearly beloved, I BESEECH  YOU as strangers and pilgrims, ABSTAIN FROM FLESHY LUSTS, WHICH WAR AGAINST THE SOUL;
12 HAVING YOUR CONVERSATION HONEST among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may BY YOUR GOOD WORKS, WHICH THEY SHALL BEHOLD, glorify God in the day of visitation.

 

 

Holy Apostle Paul cannot speak to these "babes" as they are carnal, they have envying, and strife and walk as men. The condemnation is only to those who do not walk as men and carnal, who are not walking after the flesh, but after the Spirit..

1 Corinthians 3:1  And I, brethren, COULD NOT SPEAK UNTO YOU AS UNTO SPIRITUAL, BUT AS UNTO CARNAL, even AS UNTO BABES in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 FOR YE ARE YET CARNAL: for whereas THERE IS AMONG YOU ENVYING, AND STRIFE, and divisions, ARE YE NOT CARNAL, AND WALK AS MEN?

Romans 8:1 THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION TO THEM WHICH ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

 

 

Where does it show that children and babes who do not live according to the truth, are right in anything ? All is rebuke so they will not end up being condemned with the world. They are dull of hearing, they are without skill in the word of the Lord, in righteousness, as they do not do any, nor believe in any, or they have exercised their senses to discern both good and evil, who these whole worlds and testimony of Christ belongs to..

Hebrews 5:11 Of whom WE HAVE MANY THINGS TO SAY, AND HARD TO BE UTTERED, SEEING YE ARE DULL OF HEARING.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; AND ARE BECOME SUCH AS HAVE NEED OF MILK, AND NOT OF STRONG MEAT.
13 For EVERY ONE THAT USETH MILK IS UNSKILLFUL IN THE WORD OF RIGHTEOUSNESS: for he is a babe.
14 But strong MEAT BELONGETH TO THEM THAT ARE OF FULL AGE, even those WHO BY REASON OF USE HAVE THEIR SENSES EXERCISED TO DISCERN BOTH GOOD AND EVIL.

 

 

 

Repeated again, the ones with the understanding, were scourged by the Lord, who immediately scourges every son He receives, or we were never His sons.

 

Only those who are exercised by the Lords chastening, yield the fruits of the Holy Spirit, and these same,( which is everyone He has received) HAVE THEIR SENSES EXERCISED TO DISCERN BOTH GOOD AND EVIL, because it is proven, the Lord scourges every son He receives, or they were never sons, after this exercise of the Lord, they bring the fruit and they now discern good and evil as their senses were exercised by this proceedure the Lord does to everyone, which they are so unaware of, thinking that we all begin as babes who cant understand and who sin, when the Lord instead exercises us also giving us the Spirit of His Son, to not be children any longer, BUT TO BE AS THAT PERFECT MAN In UNDERSTANDING

 

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, AND SCOURGETH EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVETH.
7 IF YE ENDURE CHASTENING, GOD DEALETH WITH YOU AS WITH SONS; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 BUT IF YE BE WITHOUT CHASTISEMENT whereof all are partakers, THEN ARE YE BASTARDS , AND NOT SONS.

Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless AFTERWARD IT YIELDETH THE PEACEABLE FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO THEM WHICH ARE EXERCISED THEREBY.

 

 

 

Their last chance of showing we are children or babes, Hebrews 5, shows they are dull of hearing, and they insist these will hear and understand after this teaching of Paul in Hebrews 5.

 

BUT, that is contradicting the word of the Lord, to insert their own opinion.

 

This people hear but do not understand, this is the way it is done on them, their ears are dull of hearing, not to hear the rebuke from the Apostle Paul, but because this is the ears of men, as many righteous men desired to hear what the Apostles of the Lord heard, and did not hear them.

 

Now HEAR WHY...

 

WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM, AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT, THEN COMETH THE WICKED ONE, AND CATCHETH AWAY that which was sown in his heart

 

( it is testified throughout here, these who are babes and children understand nothing)

 

STONY PLACES, the same is HE HEARETH THE WORD, and anon with joy receiveth it;
Yet hath HE HATH NOT ROOT IN HIMSELF but DURETH FOR A WHILE: for WHEN TRIBULATION ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD, by and by HE IS OFFENDED.

 

( these also it is testified here, do not endure chastening, they were without it, or they would have the fruit, and it is said right here, THEY DURETH FOR A WHILE then are offended)

 

THE THORNS IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD; and THE CARE OF THIS WORLD, AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES( DECEITFULNESS OF SIN) , CHOKE THE WORD, and HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.

 

(again, testified here in this teaching today, they never were received as a son, or would have brought the fruits by the chastening and scourging of the Lord to give senses to exercise both good and evil if they were exercised thereby in this process of chastening of the Lord immediately who He receives)

 

Acts 28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, HEARING YE SHALL HEAR, AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE IS WAXED GROSS, AND THEIR EARS ARE DULL OF HEARING, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Matthew 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That MANY PROPHETS AND RIGHTEOUS MEN HAVE DESIRED TO SEE THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE, AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM, AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS WHICH YE HEAR, AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.
18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM, AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT, THEN COMETH THE WICKED ONE, AND CATCHETH AWAY that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into STONY PLACES, the same is HE HEARETH THE WORD, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath HE HATH NOT ROOT IN HIMSELF but DURETH FOR A WHILE: for WHEN TRIBULATION ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD, by and by HE IS OFFENDED.
22 He also that received seed among THE THORNS IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD; and THE CARE OF THIS WORLD, AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES( DECEITFULNESS OF SIN) , CHOKE THE WORD, and HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.
23 But he that received seed into THE GOOD GROUND is he that HEARETH THE WORD, and UNDERSTANDETH IT which ALSO BEARETH FRUIT, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

 

THE GOOD GROUND is he that HEARETH THE WORD, and UNDERSTANDETH IT which ALSO BEARETH FRUIT

 

(These are neither babes nor children, as they clearly understand IMMEDIATELY THE LORDS WORD, men, never children nor babes, WHO IT IS TESTIFIED, UNDERSTOOD NOT. I hope it is clear for everyone.)

[WordSword]

On 10/26/2019 at 9:54 AM, Adam777 said:

A believer will not have condemnation, if their deeds are manifested that they are wrought in God...

In my opinion, a professing believer who desires to live after the sin nature is not a believer!

[Adam777]

23 minutes ago, WordSword said:

In my opinion, a professing believer who desires to live after the sin nature is not a believer!

A believer who commits sins, whether they desire to or not, is a believer in their master of sin.

 

The believer who does righteousness(as a fountain cannot have sweet water and bitter at the same place) serves that master of righteousness, which is Christ.

 

James 3:¹⁰ Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.¹¹ Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?¹² Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

 

 

 

Romans 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

 

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

 

 

 

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 

 

 

 

Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

 

John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

 

Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

 

3 John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

[Willa]

21 minutes ago, Adam777 said:

A believer who commits sins, whether they desire to or not, is a believer in their master of sin.

 

The believer who does righteousness(as a fountain cannot have sweet water and bitter at the same place) serves that master of righteousness, which is Christ.

 

James 3:¹⁰ Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.¹¹ Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?¹² Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

 

 

 

Romans 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

 

1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

 

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother

 

Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

 

John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

 

Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

 

3 John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

There is a difference between a person whose lifestyle is sin, such as a person who continually commits adultery, murders, lies, or fornicates, and a person who occasionally falls and asks for forgiveness.  We all are imperfect.

Php 3:12  NKJV  Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Php 3:13  Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead,  Php 3:14  I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

1Jn 3:3  ESV And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

1Jn 3:4  Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

1Jn 3:5  You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.

1Jn 3:6  No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.

1Jn 3:8  Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

1Jn 3:9  No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

1Jn 3:10  By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

1Jn 1:7  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

1Jn 1:8  If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jn 1:9  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1Jn 1:10  If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

[Adam777]

1 hour ago, Willa said:

There is a difference between a person whose lifestyle is sin, such as a person who continually commits adultery, murders, lies, or fornicates, and a person who occasionally falls and asks for forgiveness.  We all are imperfect.

Php 3:12  NKJV  Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Php 3:13  Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead,  Php 3:14  I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

1Jn 3:3  ESV And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

1Jn 3:4  Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

1Jn 3:5  You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.

1Jn 3:6  No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.

1Jn 3:8  Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

1Jn 3:9  No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

1Jn 3:10  By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

1Jn 1:7  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

1Jn 1:8  If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jn 1:9  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1Jn 1:10  If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Apostle Paul cannot be the Apostle to the world, and speak of himself, or be less than others, I hope you understand:

 

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

 

Proverbs 27:2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

 

 

I hope everyone can notice, Apostle Paul says not as thou he had already attained, then says, Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, and when Apostle Paul says.. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded, does anyone really believe we follow after the example of the Holy Apostle Paul, and other are a better example then him ?

 

 

Not as though I had already attained

 

 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded

 

Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained

 

Philippians 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

 

Philippians 3:¹⁵ Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

 

Philippians 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

 

 

Then we see, Apostle Paul is the confirmed example to follow, not others perfect, and h is less then them, but we have him as an example, compared to others, who are the enemies of the cross of Christ, whose God is their belly, and they mind earthly things, of the flesh, not the things of the Spirit and Heaven,..

 

Philippians 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)