"Having Done All—Stand”

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This is what we are taught light is, from the old testament, and from Christ in the Gospel and the Epistles up until 1 John:

 

Light and darkness are as separate as bitter and sweet, and no fountain can bear both bitter and sweet, and neither can there be light and darkness together..

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

James 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?

 

The Lord reveals what light and darkness are, they are light, being peace, and darkness being evil..

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

 

 

When we have walked in darkness, there is no light, in darkness, we sit in darkness and the Lord, who is light, gave light, His light, which guides our feet to the way of peace, as the light is peace, and the darkness is the evil we were in. He hath delivered us from the power of darkness, translating us to the Kingdom of His Son, which is light, it is a different kingdom now, as the kingdom of the beast is in darkness..

Isaiah 50:10 Who is among you that feareth the Lord, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the Lord, and stay upon his God.

Luke 1:79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Revelation 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

 

 

Through our eyes( which were used to go a whoring with Ezekiel 6:9) our eyes let light in and the body is full of light, and the eyes used to be evil and the body was full of darkness through the eyes we used to use to go a whoring with.

 

We are warned to take heed, not to still be in darkness, as the whole body through the eyes that see the Lord who is that Holy light, which no man can approach to or see, is full of light, and has no part dark...

 

Luke 11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.

Luke 11:35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.

Luke 11:36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

Matthew 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

 

 

Light came into the world, but men still loved darkness, doing evil, means hating the light, never were reproved..

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

 

 

When we follow the light, we never again walk in darkness, as we have the light of life, and we never abide in darkness again. The eyes are opened, He turns darkness into light before us, to turn us from darkness to light, and from that power satan had completely, to the power of God completely, this is forgiveness of sins and sanctification that is in Christ, it is complete separation of light from darkness...

 

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Isaiah 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

 

 

Then the works of darkness are completely cast off, as we put on the armour of light, righteousness has no mixing with unrighteousness, the same as light has no communion/fellowship with darkness, as the prince of the power of the air has nothing to do with the Light of life/Heaven

Romans 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

 

 

The unity of the faith( as we are to fellowship with the Apostles and the Lord) is to the knowledge of the Son of God, which is to come unto a perfect man,( Christ is light and light is perfectly without darkness) this is the fulness of Christ and of light, and we grow up unto Him in all things, and not trust in the Gentiles(ungodly) in the vanity of their mind, in darkened understanding, being alienated from the life of God which is the light, because their hearts are blind, whom the god of this world has still blinded, as the glorious gospel of Christ never shone to them..

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Ephesians 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

 

Then we see, we were in darkness, but now we are light in the Lord( if we believe sincerely) and the fruit produced through light( as the sun shines on earth to produce fruit) is in all goodness and righteousness and truth, ( evil fruit or thorns and briars are not produced, these are what darkness is sins, and lies) then we have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, we fellowship with the Lord who is light and we reprove these in darkness..

Ephesians 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

 

 

Children of light, not of the night or of darkness. They lay aside ll malice and all guile and hypocrisies and envies and all evil speaking,( remember the fountain cannot produce bitter and sweet, there are no light and darkness works together, this is false deceit heresy) As we are called out of darkness into His marvellous light..

1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

1 Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

 

 

The light loved us, and the light showed us, to love our neighbour as ourselves too, transgressors hate the light, we remember, who do evil, does darkness, but who does truth has come to the light, and his deeds are wrought in God, and light, love fulfils the law, just as darkness had fulfilled in breaking every part of what was and is right..

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

 

 

Light has no part dark, the same as a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, our body's through the good or evil eye are either leavened with malice and wickedness, or unleavened with sincerity and truth..

 

1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth

 

 

Then the one who says they are a believer, but does fornication, or covetous, is a wicked person, they never believed in light, as what light is, they believed light is also darkness, and did not obey the truth, which is the fulfilling of the law in one word, to love our neighbour as ourselves, and when we walk in the Spirit( as Christ walked) then we also do not fulfill the lust of the flesh which are those unfruitful works of darkness and satan still..

 

1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Galatians 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

 

 

We remember this is the condemnation, that light has come into the world and men loved darkness than light, and now there is no condemnation, but only to those as told, which are in the light, which are in Christ Jesus, who as He walked, do not walk after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Made free form the law of sin, in darkness and death in the devil. The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Who walk as children of light, not as children of the night, distinction is made..

 

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

 

 

That has made clear what light is.

 

The light shines, but the darkness does not understand it, neither do people who have their eyes blind by satan.

 

IN Him was life, this is the light of men, and the Holy Apostles of that Holy Light, seen it, and bear witness, showing us what eternal life is, and they declare to us the message( as we have heard already what light is)

 

 that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

 

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

 

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

1 John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

 

 

Here is the word told then, Christ gives us power to not do the will of man( walking in darkness and only unrighteousness), but to do the will of God ( walking as Christ walked in only righteousness), if we BELIEVED IN HIS NAME

 

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

 

These so called teachers still insist we do fall at times, and that we will always be in some darkness, never only light without sinning? But the word shows us fully we need to believe in the light, to be the children of light, and this is to confess the sins to turn from the darkness to the light..

 

John 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

 

 

Then in correct order, remembering exactly what is testified about what light the Lord is, that we re to believe in, not mans darkened invented versions to put darkness for light,( woe to them) if we say we are in the light and hate our brother we are still in the darkness, and if we love our brother we abide in the light, we never stumble or fall, and we are told, our sins are forgiven for His name's sake..

 

1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

 

 

That was 1 John 1, and 1 John 2, now 1 John 3.

 

The new American bible, reads 1 John 3:4 as people practising lawlessness. Then somehow this is to mean the person falls at times, as they do not practise lawnessness. But in this same version, the next verse and all verses after, simply say no one in Christ sins...

 

NASB 1 John 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him

 

 

Comparing all the verses, and remembering what light is( no part dark or it i not light at all) 

 

To purify from darkness to the light the Lord is, of course is without darkness which are the unfruitful works of satan and are all sins.

 

No doing of any sin, otherwise how could they explain doing unrighteousness, through falling at times, is righteous even as He is righteous, or is light as the Lord is light, without any darkness ?

 

The devil is the works of darkness, and doing sin is not doing a work of light, and when the works of sin and darkness are destroyed, how do they also exist with every believer, as these teach they cannot stop falling at times ?

 

Is it not made clear, that the ones born of God never do any sin of any kind, remembering that that which is flesh is flesh and that which is Spirit is Spirit, and how light has no communion and fellowship with darkness at all, and here again, how the ones who do not do righteousness, but do unrighteousness, do not love their brother when they fall against them, and if they still say they are in the light and hate their brother, they are in darkness even until now..

 

KJV 1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

NIV 1 John 3:4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

[JustPassingThru]

On 10/27/2019 at 1:59 AM, Adam777 said:

In front of everyone here, if you have anything to back up your opinion, that there are babies in Christ, can you show an, another example, showing someone who is a babe in Christ, and they are an example of a an actual believer in Christ and accepted in the way they are ? If you cannot, it is because there are only examples of everybody being of the same min, and heart and ways, because it is told this way by the Lord

 

I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.  I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.   I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.  1 John 2:12-14

The Holy Spirit, writing through John, is explaining the three different levels of spiritual maturity in believers that He calls "walking" in the Spirit:

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.  Gal 5:16

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.  Gal 5:25

When the Holy Spirit was addressing the Corinthian Church, He said this:

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 1 Cor 3:1

The Word the Holy Spirit use that is translated even as is actually the word hōs, which means, which how, that is, in that manner , and the word  hōs, is derived from the word, hos, hē, ho, which means, who, which, what, that.

To correctly interpret what the Holy Spirit said to the Corinthians is:

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you which are, who are spiritual, but as unto carnal, in this manner , which are, who are babes in Christ.

This is proved correct by the next verse the Holy Spirit wrote:

I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.  1 Cor 3:2

Like you have said, "meat" is for men, ...but the Holy Spirit is saying these believers are babies and like babies, can only digest the "milk" of the Word, ...which is the same meaning when He wrote through John that those in the  children "stage" of maturity in Christ only know their sins are forgiven and know God the Father and to call Him ABBA.

I know with certainty that I have grown in the Grace and Knowledge of my Lord Jesus Christ in my walk with Him these 33 years, and most of the brothers and sisters here will admit they have matured through these Scriptural stages of maturity in Christ too.

One last point, when the Holy Spirit talks about fathers:

I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known Him that is from the beginning.  1 John 2;13

The word the Holy Spirit uses for know is ginōskō, ...that is experiential knowledge, ...not intellectual knowledge, ...that knowledge that comes from "walking" with my Lord, trusting in Him, depending on Him, listening to Him, obeying Him when He tells me to step out of the boat in faith and walk on water Rom 10:17, ...what comes with/from this experiential knowledge is we know Him that (who) is from the beginning ,  that means we "know" our God, and heresy, false teaching, new winds of doctrine, do not affect us, ...because we "know" the WORD, the God who became a Man, the God-Man Jesus Christ who voluntarily gave Himself a propitiation for my sin, ...I have a "personal" relationship with my God that is more intimate than I could ever have with my God given wife, ...it has to be that way, our vertical relationship with the Lord has to be complete, uninterrupted, ...in good standing, before we can ever have a good relationship with anyone on the horizontal, whether it be our mates, brothers and sisters in Christ, friends and nonbelievers, ...in every relationship, vertical or horizontal it's always a question of Lordship, ...who is the Lord in our life, ...ourselves or THE Lord? 

And......, the very word father implies we have children, that we have the "spiritual" maturity to bring spiritual children into His Kingdom, ...His church, that the Holy Spirit has deemed us mature to be a "spiritual" father to those we have lead to Christ:

 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospel.  1 Cor 4:15

More Words spoken by Jesus:

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.  Matt 11:15

Edited October 28, 2019 by JustPassingThru

[Willa]

19 hours ago, Adam777 said:

Apostle Paul cannot be the Apostle to the world, and speak of himself, or be less than others, I hope you understand:

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

 

Proverbs 27:2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

I hope everyone can notice, Apostle Paul says not as thou he had already attained, then says, Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, and when Apostle Paul says.. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded, does anyone really believe we follow after the example of the Holy Apostle Paul, and other are a better example then him ?

Not as though I had already attained

 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded

Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained

Philippians 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Philippians 3:¹⁵ Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

 

Philippians 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

 

Then we see, Apostle Paul is the confirmed example to follow, not others perfect, and h is less then them, but we have him as an example, compared to others, who are the enemies of the cross of Christ, whose God is their belly, and they mind earthly things, of the flesh, not the things of the Spirit and Heaven,..

 

Philippians 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Do you believe that the Bible is God breathed, entirely inspired by God and without error?  

"We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God."

[Adam777]

1 hour ago, JustPassingThru said:

 

I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.  I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.   I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.  1 John 2:12-14

The Holy Spirit, writing through John, is explaining the three different levels of spiritual maturity in believers that He calls "walking" in the Spirit:

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.  Gal 5:16

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.  Gal 5:25

When the Holy Spirit was addressing the Corinthian Church, He said this:

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 1 Cor 3:1

The Word the Holy Spirit use that is translated even as is actually the word hōs, which means, which how, that is, in that manner , and the word  hōs, is derived from the word, hos, hē, ho, which means, who, which, what, that.

To correctly interpret what the Holy Spirit said to the Corinthians is:

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you which are, who are spiritual, but as unto carnal, in this manner , which are, who are babes in Christ.

This is proved correct by the next verse the Holy Spirit wrote:

I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.  1 Cor 3:2

Like you have said, "meat" is for men, ...but the Holy Spirit is saying these believers are babies and like babies, can only digest the "milk" of the Word, ...which is the same meaning when He wrote through John that those in the  children "stage" of maturity in Christ only know their sins are forgiven and know God the Father and to call Him ABBA.

I know with certainty that I have grown in the Grace and Knowledge of my Lord Jesus Christ in my walk with Him these 33 years, and most of the brothers and sisters here will admit they have matured through these Scriptural stages of maturity in Christ too.

One last point, when the Holy Spirit talks about fathers:

I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known Him that is from the beginning.  1 John 2;13

The word the Holy Spirit uses for know is ginōskō, ...that is experiential knowledge, ...not intellectual knowledge, ...that knowledge that comes from "walking" with my Lord, trusting in Him, depending on Him, listening to Him, obeying Him when He tells me to step out of the boat in faith and walk on water Rom 10:17, ...what comes with/from this experiential knowledge is we know Him that (who) is from the beginning ,  that means we "know" our God, and heresy, false teaching, new winds of doctrine, do not affect us, ...because we "know" the WORD, the God who became a Man, the God-Man Jesus Christ who voluntarily gave Himself a propitiation for my sin, ...I have a "personal" relationship with my God that is more intimate than I could ever have with my God given wife, ...it has to be that way, our vertical relationship with the Lord has to be complete, uninterrupted, ...in good standing, before we can ever have a good relationship with anyone on the horizontal, whether it be our mates, brothers and sisters in Christ, friends and nonbelievers, ...in every relationship, vertical or horizontal it's always a question of Lordship, ...who is the Lord in our life, ...ourselves or THE Lord? 

And......, the very word father implies we have children, that we have the "spiritual" maturity to bring spiritual children into His Kingdom, ...His church, that the Holy Spirit has deemed us mature to be a "spiritual" father to those we have lead to Christ:

 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospel.  1 Cor 4:15

More Words spoken by Jesus:

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.  Matt 11:15

Everything the Apostles write, has to be in same accordance with what Jesus taught and fulfilled in the gospel. That is why nobody can take or add or give their own invented private interpretations, without being seen as giving nothing.

 

 

The Lord came to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, to make the disobedient come to the wisdom of the just...

 

 

Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

 

 

then  the little children, have sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

 

the fathers,  have known him that is from the beginning

 

and the young men,  have overcome the wicked one. 

 

I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

 

I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. 

 

I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

 

 

Spiritually again, the young men are mentioned, which you have no interest in knowing,(only own interpretations) and the sons did prophecy, and the young men see visions and the old men(fathers) shall dream dreams, and all flesh shall see the salvation of God, as continued from those prophecies of Elias and what John Baptist fulfilled preparing for the Lord..

 

 

I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons shall prophesy,

 

and your young men shall see visions,

 

and your old men shall dream dreams:

 

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your youngmen shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

 

Luke 3:4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

 

1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

 

 

"Like you have said, "meat" is for men, ...but the Holy Spirit is saying these believers are babies and like babies, can only digest the "milk" of the Word,"

 

 

There is no milk of the word for children and strong meat for men, there is milk for those who are without the Spirit, and those without the Spirit are none of His..

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

 

"I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known Him that is from the beginning.  1 John 2;13"

 

"what comes with/from this experiential knowledge is we know Him that (who) is from the beginning ,  that means we "know" our God, and heresy, false teaching, new winds of doctrine, do not affect us, ...because we "know" the WORD, the God who became a Man, the God-Man Jesus Christ who voluntarily gave Himself a propitiation for my sin"

 

 

 

1 John 2:13 I  write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

 

This also is to know Him who is from the beginning, as they have known the Father, who is from the beginning

 

 

 

"And......, the very word father implies we have children, that we have the "spiritual" maturity to bring spiritual children into His Kingdom, ...His church, that the Holy Spirit has deemed us mature to be a "spiritual" father to those we have lead to Christ:"

There are no implications, that is private assumption, there are what is told, which you have omitted here, as you consider the word of God is for you, and not for what the Lord wills it to be. So Spiritually speaking, the hearts of the fathers were turned to the children, as this made a people prepared for the Lord, and has little to do with private interpreters.

 

"to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."

 

"I will pour out of MY SPIRIT UPON ALL FLESH: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"

 

⁶ AND ALL FLESH SHALL SEE THE SALVATION OF GODnd all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

 

Acts 2:¹⁸ And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

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21 hours ago, JustPassingThru said:

 

I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.  I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.   I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.  1 John 2:12-14

The Holy Spirit, writing through John, is explaining the three different levels of spiritual maturity in believers that He calls "walking" in the Spirit:

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.  Gal 5:16

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.  Gal 5:25

When the Holy Spirit was addressing the Corinthian Church, He said this:

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 1 Cor 3:1

The Word the Holy Spirit use that is translated even as is actually the word hōs, which means, which how, that is, in that manner , and the word  hōs, is derived from the word, hos, hē, ho, which means, who, which, what, that.

To correctly interpret what the Holy Spirit said to the Corinthians is:

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you which are, who are spiritual, but as unto carnal, in this manner , which are, who are babes in Christ.

This is proved correct by the next verse the Holy Spirit wrote:

I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.  1 Cor 3:2

Like you have said, "meat" is for men, ...but the Holy Spirit is saying these believers are babies and like babies, can only digest the "milk" of the Word, ...which is the same meaning when He wrote through John that those in the  children "stage" of maturity in Christ only know their sins are forgiven and know God the Father and to call Him ABBA.

I know with certainty that I have grown in the Grace and Knowledge of my Lord Jesus Christ in my walk with Him these 33 years, and most of the brothers and sisters here will admit they have matured through these Scriptural stages of maturity in Christ too.

One last point, when the Holy Spirit talks about fathers:

I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known Him that is from the beginning.  1 John 2;13

The word the Holy Spirit uses for know is ginōskō, ...that is experiential knowledge, ...not intellectual knowledge, ...that knowledge that comes from "walking" with my Lord, trusting in Him, depending on Him, listening to Him, obeying Him when He tells me to step out of the boat in faith and walk on water Rom 10:17, ...what comes with/from this experiential knowledge is we know Him that (who) is from the beginning ,  that means we "know" our God, and heresy, false teaching, new winds of doctrine, do not affect us, ...because we "know" the WORD, the God who became a Man, the God-Man Jesus Christ who voluntarily gave Himself a propitiation for my sin, ...I have a "personal" relationship with my God that is more intimate than I could ever have with my God given wife, ...it has to be that way, our vertical relationship with the Lord has to be complete, uninterrupted, ...in good standing, before we can ever have a good relationship with anyone on the horizontal, whether it be our mates, brothers and sisters in Christ, friends and nonbelievers, ...in every relationship, vertical or horizontal it's always a question of Lordship, ...who is the Lord in our life, ...ourselves or THE Lord? 

And......, the very word father implies we have children, that we have the "spiritual" maturity to bring spiritual children into His Kingdom, ...His church, that the Holy Spirit has deemed us mature to be a "spiritual" father to those we have lead to Christ:

 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospel.  1 Cor 4:15

More Words spoken by Jesus:

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.  Matt 11:15

Here is the way as all foretold, transgressors will be taught the way of the Lord, and this is sinners being converted unto Him...

 

Psalm 51:13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

When the ears are dull of hearing, they are recorded as being unconverted( of course)..

 

John 12:40 “He has blinded their eyes and He hardened their heart, so that they would not see with their eyes and perceive with their heart, and be converted and I heal them.”

 

Acts 28:27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

 

Hebrews reveals these are the ones with ears dull of hearing, they are unconverted, neither born again, nor of the Spirit, and are carnal, which means flesh and they fulfil the lusts of the flesh..

 

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

 

Hebrews 5:11 Concerning [g]him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. 12 For though [h]by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. 14 But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

 

 

First to know regarding conversion, is unless we be converted we cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven, we have never had anything to do with it, and that is because, the sinner needs to be converted from the error of their way, which means, the unconverted is neither healed, nor forgiven of their sins..

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

 

This is fully confirmed here in 1 John 2:12-13, how these little children have their sins forgiven them, because they have known the Father, which means converted, and born of God and of the Spirit, no longer of the flesh, as God is in them, the Holy Spirit..

 

1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

1 John 2:13 I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

 

Then there are these kind of little children, not the immature in Christ, as that is heresy, but those who are not in Christ at all children..

 

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.

 

1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

 

 

The beginning is never Spiritual immaturity, those scriptures do not exist, it is all fabricated, and without Spiritual understanding also, there is a difference between those who have need of milk, as they are failing the grace of God and cannot discern between god and evil, so are such as have need of milk as a baby, instead of beginning the path as told, laying aside all evil, and envies and malice, and then this is a sign of someone desiring the sincere milk of the word, as the word is always the sincere milk of the word..

 

1 Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

The opinion is proven as incorrect, the beginning is described here again, they lay aside all filthiness and naughtiness, to receive the meekness of the engrafted word, this is the sincere milk of the word, and if they are not a doer of the word, they are deceiving themselves and being deceived by those deceivers..

 

James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

 

Continuing from the beginning, without stopping, being a doer of the WORK, otherwise if anyone does not bridle their tongue(these who they pretend are immature and children) then their religion is vain, as the religion has to be pure before the Farther which is to KEEP HIMSELF UNSPOTTED FROM THE WORLD

 

James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Isaiah 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.