Can we determine the TIMING of the Rapture from Paul?

[Last Daze]

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

There may be more to this equation: If Jesus is coming only for those who are expecting Him (last verse of Hebrews 9) then what people believe may well have something to do with WHO will escape. Perhaps OneLight will answer and tell us IF He is expecting Jesus tomorrow (or even tonight) or is he expecting that he will see other things first? OneLight, can you tell us?

Last Daze, how about you? Are you expecting that He could come tonight?

Last trumpet on the last day according to the word of God.  Stay alert and awake and persevere to the end, my friend.

[Dennis1209]

1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Of course we all differ in our thinking, but I truly believe we are the terminal generation living in the 'season' of the end times. I quote the above verse for a special reason for our interpretations of scripture and prophecy. Many, including Amir Tsarfati whom live in Israel believe and proclaim they are now living in peace and safety, they've never been more secure. I admire and highly respect and follow Amir and his updates but, my idea of living in peace and safety is different than his.

How can you have a 400+ mile, 25 foot high tech security fence on your border, with 100,000 rockets aimed at you, completely surrounded by a circle of enemies that vow to drive you into the sea and remember you no more; not to mention the outer nations that want rid of you, and call that peace and safety? 

Jesus will come for His church as a thief in the night, because the unsaved and secular world will not be expecting it, and they will be taken by surprise. We that are looking for Him, will not be taken by surprise.

1 Thessalonians 5:1 (KJV) But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 

1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. [emphasis added]

I think the Rapture is near, even at the door.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 (KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

I could very well be wrong but, I highly suspect there will be 'seven' trump's and a shout from our Lord to come up here. I believe it's very possible we will here the trumpets and shout just prior to being caught up. Why would our Lord give us the auditory information if it was hidden from us and we wouldn't hear it? Just an opinion I've developed studying scripture.

Edited October 26, 2019 by Dennis1209

[Dennis1209]

23 hours ago, OneLight said:

As how close the rapture is to the Day of the Lord, I'll leave that up to those who spend hours in prophecy to debate.

I'm no expert by any means. It seems logical though that an unspecified period of time has to happen between the Rapture of the church and start of the tribulation. Just immediately after the Rapture, I would think the world would be in a crises mode. Christians in high ranking government jobs and military suddenly missing, global economies and stock market crashes, aircraft, boats, automobiles crashing everywhere; and a myriad of other disasters and problems to deal with. 

Not to mention the implementation and establishment of a new world order will take time. 

[Dennis1209]

10 hours ago, OneLight said:

Why even worry about when the rapture will happen at all?

Not to argue but, if this is speaking of the Rapture and escaping the tribulation, which I believe it is; the word watch is not a suggestion or advice, but a command. I know we all have different hermeneutic views and I'm not imposing my view on anyone. What's your view on the following verse of accounted worthy and escaping what? A number of scholars and teachers I respect and follow have recently changed their life long Rapture timing views; from pretribulation to into the tribulation. As well as the legs of iron on Nebuchadnezzar's dream Daniel interpreted.  Again, I understand both viewpoints and not trying to sway anyone.

Luke 21:36 (KJV) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

[Gentle-Warrior]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Simple, 1 Thes. 4:17: those in Christ will be caught up. Then John 14: We will be escorted to heaven where Jesus has made homes for us. We will wait out the 70th week of Daniel in heaven, enjoy the marriage and supper, then join Jesus on white horse to return to earth for Armageddon.

I asked you a question as to what the rapture meant, not to provide scripture. Can you do that? 

[Dennis1209]

3 hours ago, Gentle-Warrior said:

What is your understanding of the "rapture" and where does the word appear in the scriptures? 

Hi Gentle-Warrior,

May I answer that question?

It's taken from the Latin Vulgate [rapio], where we derive our English word Rapture. It's translated in the Greek as 'harpazo", meaning caught up, snatched up forcefully. The Greek word "harpazo" is in the King James (AV) five times [Acts 8:39, 2 Cor 12:2, 2 Cor 12:4, 1 Thes 4:17 and Rev 12:5. There are other words and allusions used to describe the Rapture and snatching away also. 

So the word 'Rapture' does appear in a translation of the Bible. 

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, Gentle-Warrior said:

I asked you a question as to what the rapture meant, not to provide scripture. Can you do that? 

The verses were so self explanatory, I thought that would be sufficient.  The rapture is the method God is going to use to get His bride safely off the planet before He begins His wrath. It is also harvest time, so we get resurrection bodies before we go up. He has spend 2000 years preparing homes for us, and He is coming to get His bride, and take us to the homes prepared.  We will wait out the time of wrath (the entire 70th week) in heaven with HIM. He will stay in heaven for the entire 70th week. Once the church is caught up, "so shall we ever be with the Lord.  The husband is going to stay with His bride forever more.  Remember, God has not and will not set any appointments for us with His wrath. 

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

Not to argue but, if this is speaking of the Rapture and escaping the tribulation, which I believe it is; the word watch is not a suggestion or advice, but a command. I know we all have different hermeneutic views and I'm not imposing my view on anyone. What's your view on the following verse of accounted worthy and escaping what? A number of scholars and teachers I respect and follow have recently changed their life long Rapture timing views; from pretribulation to into the tribulation. As well as the legs of iron on Nebuchadnezzar's dream Daniel interpreted.  Again, I understand both viewpoints and not trying to sway anyone.

Luke 21:36 (KJV) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

I like what Dennis said: we are told to watch time and time and time again! That means, He expects us to WATCH and be expecting Him. Look at the last verse of Hebrew's 9. That verse tells us that He is coming ONLY for those who are expecting His coming.  One light, ARE YOU expecting Him? Or are you expecting something else to happen first?

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I'm no expert by any means. It seems logical though that an unspecified period of time has to happen between the Rapture of the church and start of the tribulation. Just immediately after the Rapture, I would think the world would be in a crises mode. Christians in high ranking government jobs and military suddenly missing, global economies and stock market crashes, aircraft, boats, automobiles crashing everywhere; and a myriad of other disasters and problems to deal with. 

Not to mention the implementation and establishment of a new world order will take time. 

I think Paul has made it clear: the rapture will be the trigger for the start of the DAY; so perhaps only microseconds between the rapture and the DAY - or perhaps NO TIME AT ALL!

As I see it, the great earthquake at the 6th seal will be caused by the dead in Christ rising. And it seems John saw this earthquake as the start of the DAY. Others think it is only the SIGN the day is about to start, and it starts with the 7th seal. I would not argue either way.

In other words, as the ground begins to shake as the dead in Christ are called up, those alive just begin to feel the quake as we are caught up. Those living in Christ get  caught up, while those living in darkness get the sudden destruction earthquake. It will all happen in a FLASH.

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Of course we all differ in our thinking, but I truly believe we are the terminal generation living in the 'season' of the end times. I quote the above verse for a special reason for our interpretations of scripture and prophecy. Many, including Amir Tsarfati whom live in Israel believe and proclaim they are now living in peace and safety, they've never been more secure. I admire and highly respect and follow Amir and his updates but, my idea of living in peace and safety is different than his.

How can you have a 400+ mile, 25 foot high tech security fence on your border, with 100,000 rockets aimed at you, completely surrounded by a circle of enemies that vow to drive you into the sea and remember you no more; not to mention the outer nations that want rid of you, and call that peace and safety? 

Jesus will come for His church as a thief in the night, because the unsaved and secular world will not be expecting it, and they will be taken by surprise. We that are looking for Him, will not be taken by surprise.

1 Thessalonians 5:1 (KJV) But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 

1 Thessalonians 5:3 (KJV) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. [emphasis added]

I think the Rapture is near, even at the door.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 (KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

I could very well be wrong but, I highly suspect there will be 'seven' trump's and a shout from our Lord to come up here. I believe it's very possible we will here the trumpets and shout just prior to being caught up. Why would our Lord give us the auditory information if it was hidden from us and we wouldn't hear it? Just an opinion I've developed studying scripture.

I am convinced that those who are in Christ and EXPECTING Him will hear the trumpet. I am not sure why you think 7 trumpets. I think it will be the long trumpet blast at the end of the Feast of Trumpets. Will we be caught up at the moment we hear the trumpet, or perhaps a second later? Who knows? Who cares? I too think the rapture is at the door.