ReneeIW Posted October 26, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 42 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.54 Reputation: 780 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: 99.9% of College Professors are totally ignorant about Christianity.....they think it’s a religion.....as does most of the World and many people who think they are “ Christians”.They actually belong to the church of “Repenta-Juda-Anity” Where Law is mixed with Grace, which cancels Grace, and you must remember all of your sins and be sorry about them before you die, lest one be Cast into Hell....... I still have my paper from that class. I did it on “Grace alone” and he loved it. He was very anti-theology and anti-Christian books. He said don’t read books about the Bible, just read the Bible. I didn’t listen to him about that. Maybe I should have(long story). The strangest thing happened in that class. I had spent an entire weekend driving all around to many different stores looking for a pair of designer jeans that were sold out everywhere (not proud of that and felt guilty about it because my husband needed me that weekend). On Monday, we were in class, and he said the word he wants us to remember for the rest of our lives is “seek.” He said to seek after God fervently, and then he gave examples from the NT of Christ talking about the woman searching for her lost coin and Christ seeking after the one lost sheep. He then ended the lesson encouraging us to seek after God the way we would seek out a pair of designer jeans. I don’t know if that was a coincidence or not, but I will never forget that. Who would use an example like that for the word “seek”? Edited October 26, 2019 by ReneeIW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted October 26, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Neighbor said: I suspect that all a human court might do is confirm trappings of behavior that Christianity endorses is common with many moral codes of conduct. The doer of them may or may not be Christian. One cannot see the faith of Jesus, one cannot see the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Perhaps best evidence to be found in the Christian is in the Christian not knowing that which he does; as the Christian does not let even his left hand know what the right hand is doing. Much of what the born again saint does is done in a manner that does not telegraph any glory to himself at all for anyone to see. It is literally done in an eleemosynary manner, with all Glory to God alone. Real humility is quite invisible, the works produced of it perhaps known only to God the Holy Spirit. So no I don't think outward appearances much distinguish any born again saint from any other doer of any moral code; and therefore there will be no suficient evidence confirming the specific calling of the Holy Spirit for an individual to turn about from their sin against God and to submission to Jesus as Lord God and savior. One can declare it to themself, and others, and that is done at many a water baptism, but none can prove it. Seems also many that think they are saved will find Jesus rejecting their impression, to their eternal loss. Just as no person saves another, none that are saved by God alone are known by sight either. If you observe what a person says and what they do long enough you can determine a true Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted October 26, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Abby-Joy said: This actually happened to me in a court case. They (the other party, their lawyer, and the judge) didn't like that I am a Christian. *No, I wasn't on trial for anything.* Most of the world does not like the Christian. John 15: 18-19 If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figure of eighty Posted October 26, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,558 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 872 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2019 21 hours ago, Who me said: Great question/challenge. That people who know you see that it means something to you, that you have to work at avoiding/resisting temptation, that you do care for people and that what you say is matched by your life, despite your equal vissible failures. This sums it up. Yes we fail and fall bur we shouls always strive to be what God set us out to be. Basically no willful sinning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted October 26, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2019 1 hour ago, missmuffet said: Most of the world does not like the Christian. John 15: 18-19 If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. I think it’s hard to dislike a true Christian......people confuse Religionists with Christians.....that is where the problem lies.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancher Posted October 26, 2019 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 13 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/26/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2019 By practicing what you preach. Allow your actions to reflect your words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted October 26, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,565 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,045 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted October 26, 2019 6 hours ago, missmuffet said: If you observe what a person says and what they do long enough you can determine a true Christian. Hi, While James claims that faith is dead without works and that by his work he can show his faith, I think a jury of humans of this world could not distingush the work to be any different than the work of say any noble charity most of which may encompass participants from many different religions or even no faith in a god of any kind. Plus all but a vey few of the notable persons of the Bible ended up not behaving all that well at some point. They failed the standard of God, perfection. in their walk". They were in need of the shed blood of Jesus. All could be accused of not being perfect, no different from what we call the unsaved world. The very nature of salvation is evidence to the world that none are Christian. why even amongst asociation of Christians on a Christian messageboard there is strife and enial of the Christian-like work of about every wel known worker for Jesus and denial and refutings of their efforts. If Christians cannot accept each other a Christian how will the world's jury? It is sport for the world and much of the world's population of Christians to mock the servants of our Lord and by doing so mock the master of each born again saint of our Lord and our savior Jesus. Further, can there be deathbed awakenings to the call of the Holy Spirit, followed by repentance and a turning about to Christ, all without any history of Christian "works"? I think it is so. There are indeed individuals that will somewhat bewilderly say, "You are Christian aren't you?" They do so upon witnessing an oddity of personal behavior, and I think a beginning testimony by the Holy Spirit upon them individually, so as for them to be especially attuned to it. But even then they are asking a question aren't they? Raise a jury and have them in a trial make declaration of one's Christian salvation- I don't think so. Those that go about declaring she's Christian, he's not, are kidding themselves for no one knows the book of life, no one knows who has been given to Jesus by His Father. We that are Christian are here not to save other Christians alone. We save no one, not even ourself. We are to give testimony of Jesus to an unbeliving world. That is obedience to God on our part. I obey not by my will, but by the Holy Spirit, perhaps even in spite of my own will. But my testimony is not convicting nor convincing to anyone at all, except by the Holy Spirit turning about that individual to their own awakening their own repentance and rebirth. Finding a jury of humans to judge over a Christian that can state who has been given to Christ Jesus and who has not,- don't think one can be found. Even though some preachers and many an elder think they know of others, I think otherwise. I think no one knows what has been known to God the Father from before time itself. God is merciful to whom God is merciful. I judge not the creature but try to follow the creator, and let the creator judge. I have prayer and hope for all that will hear and heed the specific call to them by God the Holy Spirit. No "jury's" declaration will modify nor change that hope within me. Least I hope not fo rthen I will be so greatly puffed up in myself and my ability to make declaration of whom God saves that I will be unbearable to even myself. I live in hope for any and all that still have breath allowed to them by God for their physical body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coliseum Posted October 26, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 1,123 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 2,055 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/07/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: 99.9% of College Professors are totally ignorant about Christianity.....they think it’s a religion.....as does most of the World and many people who think they are “ Christians”.They actually belong to the church of “Repenta-Juda-Anity” Where Law is mixed with Grace, which cancels Grace, and you must remember all of your sins and be sorry about them before you die, lest one be Cast into Hell....... BB, many are new Christians, who have themselves escaped from the World, and many others who, like Nicodemus once, are still working that into their lives. Perhaps God is giving that ".1%" a knowledge to gently help them in their walk. I had a beautiful opportunity to sit down with a 2 1/2 year Seminary student the other night---a warm, caring, very astute student of the Word, but he was afraid that his view of Hell---being different than the traditional view---would by definition keep him from being saved. I reminded him of several places in the Word how we hinge ourselves on a point that causes us to lose peace and joy, how we put ourselves into a box that suffocates. He listened intently, and we had a wonderful conversation for over an hour. No condemnation---just a conversation about God's grace delivering him. I hoped it helped him---and I hope what I shared was from God, and not me. You have a lot to offer, and I listen to what you share. Thx BB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted October 26, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Neighbor said: Hi, While James claims that faith is dead without works and that by his work he can show his faith, I think a jury of humans of this world could not distingush the work to be any different than the work of say any noble charity most of which may encompass participants from many different religions or even no faith in a god of any kind. Plus all but a vey few of the notable persons of the Bible ended up not behaving all that well at some point. They failed the standard of God, perfection. in their walk". They were in need of the shed blood of Jesus. All could be accused of not being perfect, no different from what we call the unsaved world. The very nature of salvation is evidence to the world that none are Christian. why even amongst asociation of Christians on a Christian messageboard there is strife and enial of the Christian-like work of about every wel known worker for Jesus and denial and refutings of their efforts. If Christians cannot accept each other a Christian how will the world's jury? It is sport for the world and much of the world's population of Christians to mock the servants of our Lord and by doing so mock the master of each born again saint of our Lord and our savior Jesus. Further, can there be deathbed awakenings to the call of the Holy Spirit, followed by repentance and a turning about to Christ, all without any history of Christian "works"? I think it is so. There are indeed individuals that will somewhat bewilderly say, "You are Christian aren't you?" They do so upon witnessing an oddity of personal behavior, and I think a beginning testimony by the Holy Spirit upon them individually, so as for them to be especially attuned to it. But even then they are asking a question aren't they? Raise a jury and have them in a trial make declaration of one's Christian salvation- I don't think so. Those that go about declaring she's Christian, he's not, are kidding themselves for no one knows the book of life, no one knows who has been given to Jesus by His Father. We that are Christian are here not to save other Christians alone. We save no one, not even ourself. We are to give testimony of Jesus to an unbeliving world. That is obedience to God on our part. I obey not by my will, but by the Holy Spirit, perhaps even in spite of my own will. But my testimony is not convicting nor convincing to anyone at all, except by the Holy Spirit turning about that individual to their own awakening their own repentance and rebirth. Finding a jury of humans to judge over a Christian that can state who has been given to Christ Jesus and who has not,- don't think one can be found. Even though some preachers and many an elder think they know of others, I think otherwise. I think no one knows what has been known to God the Father from before time itself. God is merciful to whom God is merciful. I judge not the creature but try to follow the creator, and let the creator judge. I have prayer and hope for all that will hear and heed the specific call to them by God the Holy Spirit. No "jury's" declaration will modify nor change that hope within me. Least I hope not fo rthen I will be so greatly puffed up in myself and my ability to make declaration of whom God saves that I will be unbearable to even myself. I live in hope for any and all that still have breath allowed to them by God for their physical body. It all depends on who is on the jury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted October 26, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: I think it’s hard to dislike a true Christian......people confuse Religionists with Christians.....that is where the problem lies.... There are many in this world who truly dislike or even hate a Christian. That has not changed for thousands of years. Paul first hated Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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