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Jehovah God is all-knowing. I do not doubt it for one second. But why does He test us even though He alway knows who we are and what our actions will be?

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Paul endured many horrible things for the sake of the Gospel.What was the result ? God constantly groomed him with trials and tribulations that only served to increase his faith and confidence in God , He became the coolest man whoever lived. God had got him to the point that he didn’t get upset over anything. If he had plenty of provision — great , he could live with that. If he had nothing- so what- he was fine with that too! Imprisonment did not get him down — just a place to  write precious letters that we still read today, and a place to sing hymns and rejoice over the fact that God found him worthy to go through fires.On top of that , it was a great place to witness to guards and prisoners alike.God got Paul to the point that all he really cared about was “ to know Him”. That’s the epitome of Wisdom and Coolness and the goal of where God wants to take us.There is nothing better than that—To know Him.

 

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On 10/27/2019 at 6:42 PM, Tia Paul-Louis said:

Jehovah God is all-knowing. I do not doubt it for one second. But why does He test us even though He alway knows who we are and what our actions will be?

I do not believe God tests Christians to discover something about them.. What i believe He does is exercises their faith to increase their faith so that they can do greater and greater things for Him.. He also tests people to cause them to reveal their true condition to themselves and others. 

Like a math's teacher who knows a student is failing but also knows that the student has expressed confidence that they are going to pass.. The teacher will put together a practice examination and give it to the students as a way of revealing to that student when they get a failing score the reality of the situation that student is in..

It is also like a coach of a professional team who will cause his team to train very very hard,, close to the breaking point to, over time, raise their capabilities to the point that when they go onto the field to play a real game. They are far better at playing the game then they would be if his training methods where easier or non-existent...

 

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On 10/27/2019 at 12:42 AM, Tia Paul-Louis said:

Jehovah God is all-knowing. I do not doubt it for one second. But why does He test us even though He alway knows who we are and what our actions will be?

When we live in heaven, we must refrain from selfish behavior. That will only happen if we make the effort. Therefore, we must be tested. Otherwise, I doubt we'd make the effort.

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All are tested, the good, bad, & ugly. Testing is the way in life on earth That God uses on us as way to learn and find Him more and more.  Tests of faith are made so to refine us in Him and purify us in Him. Virtue that is not tested is not virtue. Faith that is not tested is not faith.

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I preached a sermon many years ago (my first message ever in fact) entitled "The Reason's for the Wilderness" and took my text from Deuteronomy 8 - which answers this question IMO 

"And you shall remember the whole way that the Lord your God has led you these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble you, testing you to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep his commandments or not" Deut 8:2

I think our Father allows us to be tested to prove our faith and show us any areas that still need work, to keep us humble and knowing our need for Him. 

Just my two cents.

 

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 The question of the omniscience of God is much understood. The Bible has many simple statements that limits God's knowledge. There would be no sense to these many passages if we do not believe them literally. There also is no meaning to them if we make or take the figuratively. There was no object in God saying such things about Himself if they were UNTRUE.

God gets to know things concerning the free moral actions of man as others do (Gen. 6:5-7; 11:5-7; 18: 21; 22:12; 2 Chron. 16:9; Zech. 4:10; Job 12:22; 24:23; Ps. 7:9; 44:21; Ps. 139:1-6; Prov. 21:12; Jer. 17:10; Ezek. 11:5; Romans 8:27; 1 Thess. 2:4).

God sends messengers throughout the Earth who report to Him of all that they find in the Earth that goes on (Dan. 10:13-21; 11;1; 12:1; Zech.1:7-11; 6:1-8; Matt. 18:10-11; Heb. 2:4). God does not take care of every detail of His vast business in all the kingdoms of the universe. His agents help Him and they are found in every part of the universe on missions for God. Certain angels are responsible to God for carrying out His will in almost infinite detail conserning the billions of suns, moons, planets and all free moral agents on them.

 

 God does not personally do everything that is done in all acts and events, nor has He known, elected, chosen, or predestinated all the acts and events from all eternity past.

Several times, God Himself said of certain events that they did not come into His mind (Jer. 19:5; 32:35; 44:21). God said that He did not know beforehand that men would become so wicked (Gen. 6:5-7); that man would plan Babel (Gen. 11:5-7); that Sodom would be so wicked (Gen. 18:21, 26, 28-32); that Abraham would actually proceed to offer up Isaac (Gen. 22:12). God did not know whether it would take one or two or three signes to make Israel believe in Him (Ex. 4:1-12), or whether testing Israel would cause them to obey Him or not (Dt. 8:2, 16). God did not know that Israel would backslide as far as she did (Dt. 32:19-29; Isa. 59:15-19). God says He searches to find men whom He can bless (2 Chr. 16:9). He DISCOVERS DEEP THINGS (Job 12:22); tries the hearts and reigns of men so that HE MAY KNOW THEM (Ps. 7:9; 44:21; 139:1-6, 23-24; Jer. 17:10; 1 Chron. 28:9; Rom. 8:27; 1 Cor. 2;10; Rev. 2:23).

God send his messengers throughout the whole of His vast creations to find out for Him what He wants to know. Examples of such agency constantly reporting to God can be found in Gen. 18: 21-22; Dan. 13:21; 11:1; Zech. 1:7-11; 6:1-8; Matt. 18:10-11; Heb. 1:14; 2-2; Rev. 1;1; 7:1-3; 8:2-13; 9:1-14; 6:20; 15:1-8; 16:1-21; 18:21; 22:6, 8-9, 16).
 
Several times, God Himself said of certain events that they did not come into His mind (Jer. 19:5; 32:35; 44:21). God said that He did not know beforehand that men would become so wicked (Gen. 6:5-7); that man would plan Babel (Gen. 11:5-7); that Sodom would be so wicked (Gen. 18:21, 26, 28-32); that Abraham would actually proceed to offer up Isaac (Gen. 22:12). God did not know whether it would take one or two or three signs to make Israel believe in Him (Ex. 4:1-12), or whether testing Israel would cause them to obey Him or not (Dt. 8:2, 16). God did not know that Israel would backslide as far as she did (Dt. 32:19-29; Isa. 59:15-19). God says He searches to find men whom He can bless (2 Chr. 16:9). He DISCOVERS DEEP THINGS (Job 12:22); tries the hearts and reigns of men so that HE MAY KNOW THEM (Ps. 7:9; 44:21; 139:1-6, 23-24; Jer. 17:10; 1 Chron. 28:9; Rom. 8:27; 1 Cor. 2;10; Rev. 2:23).

God send his messengers throughout the whole of His vast creations to find out for Him what He wants to know. Examples of such agency constantly reporting to God can be found in Gen. 18: 21-22; Dan. 13:21; 11:1; Zech. 1:7-11; 6:1-8; Matt. 18:10-11; Heb. 1:14; 2-2; Rev. 1;1; 7:1-3; 8:2-13; 9:1-14; 6:20; 15:1-8; 16:1-21; 18:21; 22:6, 8-9, 16).

There is not one statement in the entire Bible saying God knows or even would like to know all acts and particular events of all vast creations of free moral agents from all eternity past; or that He has fixed decrees choosing and pre-destinating all thoughts, acts, and deeds of free wills from all eternity past to all eternity future.

God's eternal plan for man is known from beginning to end and what God plans to bring to past He has the power to do, but concerning the free will actions of free moral agents He does not know from all eternity what they will do before they are in existence and are here to have a part in His plan. He does not know which ones will be saved and which ones will be lost. He has made a plan for all to be saved alike and all who conform to His plan are blessed with the predestinated blessings. Those who wilfully rebel will be cursed with the predestinated punishments according to His plan.

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