Revlori Posted October 31, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 635 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 843 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 31, 2019 I know someone who is continuing to pray many verses from the book of Psalm over there enemies. Those who they consider there enemy have continued to reject every invitation of salvation and claim they are an atheist. They are causing many problems for this person and there family by spreading destroying lies, causing harm and it looks like bureau of man, they have gotten away with it and continue to do so ( however we know nothing is out of God's sight and all is recorded) however my question is: is this the right way to pray for one's enemy like this? Thank you, you friend in Christ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ayin jade Posted October 31, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2019 When 9/11 happened, I started to pray, in anger, against islam and muslims. I wanted their destruction.... As I prayed, the Lord showed me that while its ok to pray for their false religion to be destroyed, and for them to not harm anyone, it is not ok for me to pray for them to be destroyed. That I should pray instead that they come to know the true Lord, the true Jesus, and get saved. Failing that, I could also pray that they are not able to harm anyone else. The bible tells us that vengence is the Lord's, not ours. We are to turn the other cheek. Pray for their salvation and pray that they cannot cause harm. 1 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted October 31, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,299 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,685 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 31, 2019 Try reading Romans 12:20 which tells us to do good to/for those who hate us. One doesn't have to forgive them, just pray for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted October 31, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Who me said: One doesn't have to forgive them, just pray for them. I disagree. We are told to forgive. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revlori Posted October 31, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 635 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 843 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/31/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 minute ago, ayin jade said: I disagree. We are told to forgive. I disagree as well, we do have to forgive them. For if we do not forgive we ourselves are not forgiven. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted October 31, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,299 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,685 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted October 31, 2019 Just now, ayin jade said: I disagree. We are told to forgive. If you read Luke 17:3-4, you will see forgiveness conditional on there being repentance. Then and only then we must forgive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revlori Posted October 31, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 635 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 843 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/31/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, Who me said: If you read Luke 17:3-4, you will see forgiveness conditional on there being repentance. Then and only then we must forgive. I'm sorry but this is being taken out of context. Every Christian is required to forgive with no conditions. For again if we do not forgive then we are not forgiven. So please take a closer look at what Jesus says. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnOrangeCat Posted November 1, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 57 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,403 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 1,824 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/24/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted November 1, 2019 Something I'd keep in mind in all of this is the environment we live in is very different in ways from the environment David and other writers of individual psalms were alive. For the most part we don't have to deal with people literally trying to kill us and our families. The type of human enemies we face are often pretty mild in comparison. This is on top of Jesus telling us to do good to our enemies, bless those that curse us, and be forgiving. With all that in mind there's really no basis to be praying for them to come to harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted November 3, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,299 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,685 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted November 3, 2019 On 31 October 2019 at 8:36 PM, Revlori said: I'm sorry but this is being taken out of context. Every Christian is required to forgive with no conditions. For again if we do not forgive then we are not forgiven. So please take a closer look at what Jesus says. Have you read the context? 17 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. 3 So watch yourselves. “If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. 4 Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them.” 5 The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!” 6 He replied, “If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it will obey you. 7 “Suppose one of you has a servant plowing or looking after the sheep. Will he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, ‘Come along now and sit down to eat’? 8 Won’t he rather say, ‘Prepare my supper, get yourself ready and wait on me while I eat and drink; after that you may eat and drink’? 9 Will he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? 10 So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’” Please bare two things in mind. 1/ God only forgives us when we repented and we are supose to follow Gods example. 2/ The whole OT sacrifical system taught that one only obtained forgiveness when one repented. It is not possible to stand holding a lamb that one is going to kill to obtain forgiveness without acknowleging that one is a sinner in need of forgiveness. Jesus and the disciples taught the importance of forgiveness in the knowledge that there has to be repentance. Then and only then Must we forgive. If there is no repentance, like Jesus on the cross we commit the offender, the situation and our feelings over to God for him to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revlori Posted November 3, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 635 Content Per Day: 0.39 Reputation: 843 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/31/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 3, 2019 I'm sorry this is not so. you are picking things out of the word to justify the sin of unforgiveness. Yes I do read the bible in its entirety. The entire gospel is based upon forgivness. You nor I didn't deserve to be forgiven but because of the love of Christ , we have that amazing opportunity to come before him and receive his forgiveness.Yes we must repent but Jesus himself teaches us in the Lord's prayer: forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors. (Matthew 6:12) as well as (1 John 4:7-11. Describes this amazing love for us and that we must backward others) Please also read (Matthew 6:14-15 ) you will not find any conditions except. You will not be forgiven. Also read (Mark 11:25) If you have anything against anyone, forgive him. if someone sins against you, many times they do this because they truly want to hurt you in some way. You in turn, become angry and are hurt by other people. The person who sinned against you isn't remorseful, they purposefully wanted to hurt you. What your saying is, because this person won't repent to you for their wrong, you don't have to forgive them? You can't apply the love of Christ without forgiveness. Remember love covers a multitude of sin.( 1Peter 4:8) Do you think all of those who had Jesus crucified repented before he said (Father for forgive them for they know not what there doing Luke 23:35) no, of course not. Jesus forgives his enemies and we must as well. This is mercy. If you are going by what you wrote, and you will only forgive those who ask you and not Those who do not ask,then I will pray for you. I will also pray for understanding. God is love and to walk in him, we to love with no conditions my friend. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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