women in the pulpit

[Revlori]

16 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

Signs dont mean anything. No offer you. The antichrist will have super signs.

All can truly see your hearts, it's really sad. We must pray for understanding, God's truth and his light to remove the blinders from their eyes. We see these ones are so full of superiority that they can't see how God has been, and still is working through woman ministers. Give God praise for he is using woman in ministry and he is rejoicing with every soul who comes to him through their obedience.

Walk in love and unity

[Wayne222]

17 minutes ago, Revlori said:

All can truly see your hearts, it's really sad. We must pray for understanding, God's truth and his light to remove the blinders from their eyes. We see these ones are so full of superiority that they can't see how God has been, and still is working through woman ministers. Give God praise for he is using woman in ministry and he is rejoicing with every soul who comes to him through their obedience.

Walk in love and unity

You cannot judge my heart unless your God. I am nothing christ is lord of all. My point was a person doing signs can deceive too. It's the gospel that's the power of salvation. Dont be so quick to judge.

[Sower]

15 minutes ago, Revlori said:

All can truly see your hearts, it's really sad. We must pray for understanding, God's truth and his light to remove the blinders from their eyes. We see these ones are so full of superiority that they can't see how God has been, and still is working through woman ministers. Give God praise for he is using woman in ministry and he is rejoicing with every soul who comes to him through their obedience.

Walk in love and unity

God does work through women's ministries and people can get saved. No one said different.My wife has a teaching ministry.
Old young, male female, the word they plant does not return void. It is the word/Holy Spirit that draws the lost to repentance.
The pastors primary goal is to "Feed the flock" This is I believe where the man is the God chosen one.
Myself and any believing male or female Christian I know would not submit themselves to a woman pastor.
In a true bible run church, the members submit themselves to the pastors authority.
I just do not ever see that happening with a woman in authority over a man. Un scriptural.

[Revlori]

10 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

You cannot judge my heart unless your God. I am nothing christ is lord of all. My point was a person doing signs can deceive too. It's the gospel that's the power of salvation. Dont be so quick to judge.

Matthew 6:21 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

I have not judged your heart. This question has lead many to do nothing but argue and bicker  ( to be quarrelsome) and these actions come from the heart. 

James 4:1 What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? 

Proverbs 4:23Keep your heart with all diligence, For out of it spring the issues of life.

Matthew 15:18 But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a man.

2 Timothy 2:23-2423 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.

Those who are relentlessly arguing and non-stop quarreling is what everyone is seeing, those things come from the heart. If that is all one seems to be displaying then those ones are in need of prayer. 

[Revlori]

53 minutes ago, Sower said:

God does work through women's ministries and people can get saved. No one said different.My wife has a teaching ministry.
Old young, male female, the word they plant does not return void. It is the word/Holy Spirit that draws the lost to repentance.
The pastors primary goal is to "Feed the flock" This is I believe where the man is the God chosen one.
Myself and any believing male or female Christian I know would not submit themselves to a woman pastor.
In a true bible run church, the members submit themselves to the pastors authority.
I just do not ever see that happening with a woman in authority over a man. Un scriptural.

This makes no sense, your wife has a teaching ministry. If God called her to become a pastor, you wouldn't sit under her? Her inspired and anointed lessons would not change only her position. She is now feeding people and would continue to do so If God promoted her to a pastor. If God had told her to do this and opened a door for her,you would really reject God's plan for her? I don't think so. You love God and your wife, you would I'm sure encourage her even if you didn't understand God's reason for placing her into such a position.

Walk in love and unity

[Sower]

11 minutes ago, Revlori said:

This makes no sense, your wife has a teaching ministry. If God called her to become a pastor, you wouldn't sit under her? Her inspired and anointed lessons would not change only her position. She is now feeding people and would continue to do so If God promoted her to a pastor. If God had told her to do this and opened a door for her,you would really reject God's plan for her? I don't think so. You love God and your wife, you would I'm sure encourage her even if you didn't understand God's reason for placing her into such a position.

Walk in love and unity

With much love Revlori, you have no idea about what you are talking about.
God would not call her to become a pastor, because His word would be a contradiction to His actions.
I posted an article on this up thread explaining THE WORD OF GOD pertaining to women not to be in authority over a man.
My wife has been called to one  this world's highest ministries, bearing and teaching her children to love the Lord in action.
With God's help, she was very successful!
She has been an Awana youth leader with the youth every year for the past thirty five years.
Each year ('almost'), she had the privilege to lead someone to a belief in Christ as savior.
She is involved in many women's ministries, teaches, and does not 'need' to prove herself with a pastorate.
Seriously, it is an easy to comprehend scriptural lesson to understand.
I took for granted bible based believers all knew this.
I hope you can understand Revlori, the truth of scripture.
It's not about women's rights. Or saying women are not capable to do a good job.
It's about what God says. THE final authority on this!


 

[Revlori]

6 hours ago, Sower said:

With much love Revlori, you have no idea about what you are talking about.
God would not call her to become a pastor, because His word would be a contradiction to His actions.
I posted an article on this up thread explaining THE WORD OF GOD pertaining to women not to be in authority over a man.
My wife has been called to one  this world's highest ministries, bearing and teaching her children to love the Lord in action.
With God's help, she was very successful!
She has been an Awana youth leader with the youth every year for the past thirty five years.
Each year ('almost'), she had the privilege to lead someone to a belief in Christ as savior.
She is involved in many women's ministries, teaches, and does not 'need' to prove herself with a pastorate.
Seriously, it is an easy to comprehend scriptural lesson to understand.
I took for granted bible based believers all knew this.
I hope you can understand Revlori, the truth of scripture.
It's not about women's rights. Or saying women are not capable to do a good job.
It's about what God says. THE final authority on this!


 

I will only say one more thing on this subject, please read this and be enlightened to the truth of God's word.

Who Says Women Can’t Pastor?
A Biblical Exposition Showing That Women Too Are Called to Leadership
by
Eddie L. Hyatt
D.Min., M.Div., M.A.

I had just completed a teaching session in which I had explained why 1 Tim. 2:11-12 does not prohibit women from functioning in leadership roles in the Church. One student, who was obviously disturbed, challenged me with a question. “Can you show me one place in the New Testament where a woman ever functioned as a pastor?” I replied, “If you will first show me one place where a man ever functioned as a pastor!” He was stunned in that he could not think of a single example.

Eisegesis vs. Exegesis

My answer was designed to show him how much we read into the Biblical text. This is known as eisegesis--to read something “into” the text that is not there. On the other hand, exegesis means to “take out” or extract from what is there. It is so easy to practice eisegesis and read into the Bible our own prejudices, assumptions and traditions. The Church is guilty of eisegesis in many areas, but none so much as in the development of its doctrine of women and their role in the Church. An honest exegetical examination of the appropriate passages, however, reveals a very different view.

Women Pastors in the NT

There are numerous women leaders in the New Testament, some who obviously functioned in pastoral roles of oversight. Paul mentions 2 of these female pastors in Rom. 16 as well as a female apostle.

Phoebe, a Woman Pastor

In Romans 16:1 Paul commends to the church at Rome our sister Phoebe who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea. Paul refers to Phoebe as a servant which is the Greek word diakonos. Diakonos, or its verb form, is translated minister in 23 other places in the New Testament. For example, in Eph. 3:7, Paul says that he became a minister (diakonos) according to the gift of the grace of God. Phoebe, therefore, was a minister, probably a pastor, from the church in Cenchrea. This is borne out by vs. 2 where Paul refers to her as a helper of many and of myself also. The Greek word translated helper in this verse is prostates and, according to Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon, means to set over, to rule, superintend, preside over, protect, and care for. When this passage is examined apart from our traditions and prejudicial assumptions, the evidence is overwhelming that Phoebe functioned in what today we would call pastoral ministry.

Priscilla, A Woman Pastor

In verses 3-5 of the same chapter, Paul refers to Priscilla and Aquila and the church that is in their house. Priscilla and Aquila are always mentioned together in Scripture which indicates that they worked and ministered together as a husband and wife team. This is confirmed by Acts 18:26 where both Priscilla and Aquila took Apollos aside and both explained to him the way of God more accurately. In the Greek, Priscilla is always mentioned first. Since Paul reversed the culturally accepted manner of mentioning the husband first, he obviously wanted to make a point about her leadership role. Many commentators conclude that Priscilla is mentioned first because she was the spiritually gifted one and the leader of the church that met in their home. Again, the evidence is overwhelming. Priscilla functioned as a pastor.

Junia, A Woman Apostle

In verse 7 of the same chapter, Paul sends greetings to Andronicus and Junia who are of note among the apostles. Junia is a feminine name and so we have here a woman who is recognized by Paul as an apostle. The early church father, John Chrysostom, commenting on this verse, said, "Oh how great is the devotion of this woman, that she should be even counted worthy of the appellation of apostle." If a woman can function as an apostle, may not she also function as a pastor.

What About 1 Timothy 2:11-12?

"But,” some will ask, “What about Paul's admonitions in I Corinthians 14:34 and I Timothy 2:12 for women to be silent?" For the sake of space, we will look at 1 Tim. 2:11-12 which many consider to be the Bible’s clearest statement against women functioning in leadership. It says, Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. On the surface and out of context, this passage sounds quite clear in its restriction of women. But a different picture emerges when we consider four simple exegetical facts.

1 Timothy Was Written To An Individual, Not To A Church

First of all, the letter of 1 Timothy was written to an individual, not to a church. We should expect, therefore, that the things written in the letter are related to the situation of the individual, i.e. Timothy, to whom it was written. It is a “personal” letter.

1 Timothy Addresses A Personal, Local Situation in Ephesus

Secondly, vs. 3 of chpt. 1 clearly states the reason for this letter to Timothy. It is not to lay down a universal system of church order. It is to encourage and instruct him as he deals with a false teaching that is circulating among the Christians in Ephesus where he is located.

This requires rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Tim. 2:15). Paul obviously was not issuing universal edicts for all churches of every time and place. He is addressing unique issues related to Timothy and the church in Ephesus.

A Strange Greek Word

That Paul is addressing a unique situation in Ephesus is further borne out by the fact that the word “authority” in 2:12 is a translation of the Greek word authentein which is found only here in the entire New Testament. If Paul is here giving a universal edict for church order, why doesn’t he use the normal word for authority, exousia, which he and all other New Testament writers use. Why does he here use a word that neither he nor any other New Testament writer ever uses--a word that refers to someone who claims to be the author or originator of something.

The obvious answer is that Paul is here dealing with the unique situation that exists in Ephesus. If Paul had been giving a universal rule for church order in this passage, he would have used the normal New Testament word for authority.

Paul May Have Been Addressing A Particular Woman in Ephesus

Fourthly, this view is borne out by the fact that there is a change from the plural to the singular and then back to the plural in this passage. In vss. 9-10 of chpt. 2, Paul refers to “women” in the plural. But when he comes to the restrictive admonition of vss. 11-12, he changes to the singular and refers to “a woman.” Afterwards, in vs. 15, he returns again to the plural. This may indicate that, in writing this passage, Paul had a particular woman in mind who was primarily responsible for spreading the false teaching in Ephesus. Be that as it may, Paul, in this passage, is obviously addressing a unique, local situation in the city of Ephesus.

So, who says women can’t pastor? Not Jesus! Not Paul! And not the New Testament!

 

 

[Revlori]

I've already shared this, but I'd like for everyone to please read this , thank you

Who Says Women Can’t Pastor?
A Biblical Exposition Showing That Women Too Are Called to Leadership
by
Eddie L. Hyatt
D.Min., M.Div., M.A.

I had just completed a teaching session in which I had explained why 1 Tim. 2:11-12 does not prohibit women from functioning in leadership roles in the Church. One student, who was obviously disturbed, challenged me with a question. “Can you show me one place in the New Testament where a woman ever functioned as a pastor?” I replied, “If you will first show me one place where a man ever functioned as a pastor!” He was stunned in that he could not think of a single example.

Eisegesis vs. Exegesis

My answer was designed to show him how much we read into the Biblical text. This is known as eisegesis--to read something “into” the text that is not there. On the other hand, exegesis means to “take out” or extract from what is there. It is so easy to practice eisegesis and read into the Bible our own prejudices, assumptions and traditions. The Church is guilty of eisegesis in many areas, but none so much as in the development of its doctrine of women and their role in the Church. An honest exegetical examination of the appropriate passages, however, reveals a very different view.

Women Pastors in the NT

There are numerous women leaders in the New Testament, some who obviously functioned in pastoral roles of oversight. Paul mentions 2 of these female pastors in Rom. 16 as well as a female apostle.

Phoebe, a Woman Pastor

In Romans 16:1 Paul commends to the church at Rome our sister Phoebe who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea. Paul refers to Phoebe as a servant which is the Greek word diakonos. Diakonos, or its verb form, is translated minister in 23 other places in the New Testament. For example, in Eph. 3:7, Paul says that he became a minister (diakonos) according to the gift of the grace of God. Phoebe, therefore, was a minister, probably a pastor, from the church in Cenchrea. This is borne out by vs. 2 where Paul refers to her as a helper of many and of myself also. The Greek word translated helper in this verse is prostates and, according to Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon, means to set over, to rule, superintend, preside over, protect, and care for. When this passage is examined apart from our traditions and prejudicial assumptions, the evidence is overwhelming that Phoebe functioned in what today we would call pastoral ministry.

Priscilla, A Woman Pastor

In verses 3-5 of the same chapter, Paul refers to Priscilla and Aquila and the church that is in their house. Priscilla and Aquila are always mentioned together in Scripture which indicates that they worked and ministered together as a husband and wife team. This is confirmed by Acts 18:26 where both Priscilla and Aquila took Apollos aside and both explained to him the way of God more accurately. In the Greek, Priscilla is always mentioned first. Since Paul reversed the culturally accepted manner of mentioning the husband first, he obviously wanted to make a point about her leadership role. Many commentators conclude that Priscilla is mentioned first because she was the spiritually gifted one and the leader of the church that met in their home. Again, the evidence is overwhelming. Priscilla functioned as a pastor.

Junia, A Woman Apostle

In verse 7 of the same chapter, Paul sends greetings to Andronicus and Junia who are of note among the apostles. Junia is a feminine name and so we have here a woman who is recognized by Paul as an apostle. The early church father, John Chrysostom, commenting on this verse, said, "Oh how great is the devotion of this woman, that she should be even counted worthy of the appellation of apostle." If a woman can function as an apostle, may not she also function as a pastor.

What About 1 Timothy 2:11-12?

"But,” some will ask, “What about Paul's admonitions in I Corinthians 14:34 and I Timothy 2:12 for women to be silent?" For the sake of space, we will look at 1 Tim. 2:11-12 which many consider to be the Bible’s clearest statement against women functioning in leadership. It says, Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. On the surface and out of context, this passage sounds quite clear in its restriction of women. But a different picture emerges when we consider four simple exegetical facts.

1 Timothy Was Written To An Individual, Not To A Church

First of all, the letter of 1 Timothy was written to an individual, not to a church. We should expect, therefore, that the things written in the letter are related to the situation of the individual, i.e. Timothy, to whom it was written. It is a “personal” letter.

1 Timothy Addresses A Personal, Local Situation in Ephesus

Secondly, vs. 3 of chpt. 1 clearly states the reason for this letter to Timothy. It is not to lay down a universal system of church order. It is to encourage and instruct him as he deals with a false teaching that is circulating among the Christians in Ephesus where he is located.

This requires rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Tim. 2:15). Paul obviously was not issuing universal edicts for all churches of every time and place. He is addressing unique issues related to Timothy and the church in Ephesus.

A Strange Greek Word

That Paul is addressing a unique situation in Ephesus is further borne out by the fact that the word “authority” in 2:12 is a translation of the Greek word authentein which is found only here in the entire New Testament. If Paul is here giving a universal edict for church order, why doesn’t he use the normal word for authority, exousia, which he and all other New Testament writers use. Why does he here use a word that neither he nor any other New Testament writer ever uses--a word that refers to someone who claims to be the author or originator of something.

The obvious answer is that Paul is here dealing with the unique situation that exists in Ephesus. If Paul had been giving a universal rule for church order in this passage, he would have used the normal New Testament word for authority.

Paul May Have Been Addressing A Particular Woman in Ephesus

Fourthly, this view is borne out by the fact that there is a change from the plural to the singular and then back to the plural in this passage. In vss. 9-10 of chpt. 2, Paul refers to “women” in the plural. But when he comes to the restrictive admonition of vss. 11-12, he changes to the singular and refers to “a woman.” Afterwards, in vs. 15, he returns again to the plural. This may indicate that, in writing this passage, Paul had a particular woman in mind who was primarily responsible for spreading the false teaching in Ephesus. Be that as it may, Paul, in this passage, is obviously addressing a unique, local situation in the city of Ephesus.

So, who says women can’t pastor? Not Jesus! Not Paul! And not the New Testament!

 

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[BibleStudent100]

Those charged with oversight of a congregation are described in the Bible as being males. The 12 apostles of Jesus Christ were all males, and those later appointed to be overseers and ministerial servants in Christian congregations were males. (Matt. 10:1-4; 1 Tim. 3:2, 12) Women are counseled to “learn in silence with full submissiveness” at congregation meetings, in that they do not raise questions challenging the men in the congregation. The women are ‘not to speak’ at such meetings if what they might say would demonstrate lack of subjection. (1 Tim. 2:11, 12; 1 Cor. 14:33, 34) Thus, although women make valuable contributions to the activity of the congregation, there is no provision for them to preside, or to take the lead by instructing the congregation, when qualified men are present.
 

[Revlori]

9 minutes ago, BibleStudent100 said:

Those charged with oversight of a congregation are described in the Bible as being males. The 12 apostles of Jesus Christ were all males, and those later appointed to be overseers and ministerial servants in Christian congregations were males. (Matt. 10:1-4; 1 Tim. 3:2, 12) Women are counseled to “learn in silence with full submissiveness” at congregation meetings, in that they do not raise questions challenging the men in the congregation. The women are ‘not to speak’ at such meetings if what they might say would demonstrate lack of subjection. (1 Tim. 2:11, 12; 1 Cor. 14:33, 34) Thus, although women make valuable contributions to the activity of the congregation, there is no provision for them to preside, or to take the lead by instructing the congregation, when qualified men are present.
 

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