Buddy D. Mouse Posted November 8, 2019 Group: Junior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 108 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 512 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2019 IOW, "what WITHOLDETH" that son of perdition cannot be revealed yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted November 8, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2019 21 minutes ago, Episcopius said: IOW, "what WITHOLDETH" that son of perdition cannot be revealed yet? God I believe. We are waiting on what is known as the fullness of the Gentiles to come in, until that time is fulfilled we wait. God bless 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted November 8, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,896 Content Per Day: 3.26 Reputation: 4,827 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Episcopius said: IOW, "what WITHOLDETH" that son of perdition cannot be revealed yet? Strongs G2722 κατέχω katechō kat-ekh'-o From G2596 and G2192; to hold down (fast), in various applications (literally or figuratively): - have, hold (fast), keep (in memory), let, X make toward, possess, retain, seize on, stay, take, withhold. Total KJV occurrences: 19 Hi Episcopius. This same Greek word is used in both verses that deal with restraining the full and open manifestation of the man of sin. Firstly the restrainer is a what, and secondly a he, which leads to the belief that this is the Holy Spirit, but there are many other options on record, and the topic has been raised on Worthy before. 2Th 2:6-8 (6) And now you know what withholds (katechō) that he might be revealed in his time. (7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now lets (katechō) will let, until he be taken out of the way. (8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted November 8, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,604 Content Per Day: 3.99 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) I think the 'what' is the fullness, and the 'He' is The Lord. However, we see much activity among the Principalities and Powers and High-Rulerships that are also trying to delay so they might capture more souls for the pit. They work God's work, because every delay to the Kingdom of God (which is ever present in it nascent form) brings more souls to Glory. So really, they are shooting themselves in the foot like they did by Killing the King of Glory. (the apostle tells us so) 'Had they but known..' Yahweh/Yeshua/Spirit is so far beyond their clever plans it is almost funny, were it not for the destruction and killing that this delay brings. His ways are past finding out.. Edited November 8, 2019 by Justin Adams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted November 9, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,624 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,366 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/7/2019 at 9:41 PM, Episcopius said: IOW, "what WITHOLDETH" that son of perdition cannot be revealed yet? What withholds is the apostasy and the revealing of the beast, what is withheld is the Return of Jesus and the gathering, to wit: 1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to be from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has already come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way, for it (The Day of the Lord) will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness—the son of destruction—is revealed. 4He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5Do you not remember that I told you these things while I was still with you? 6And you know what (rebellion and revealing) is now restraining him (Jesus), so that he (Jesus) may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way. There is an issue with the above underlined phrase. If you check the Greek for "but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way. " you will see it literally says "hold fast until he emerges from the middle" and is not analogous for "the Holy Spirit is restraining evil" or, "Micheal is restraining the beast." What this says is 'the one who now restrains "it", which is the Return and the Gathering, will continue until 'he is taken out of the way' which is to say "he will no longer have a restraining influence as he has been revealed". Further, when he is taken out of the way, literally 'emerges from the middle' he is revealed as Paul says, "And then the lawless one will be revealed". This is the only correct understanding of this passage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 9, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,036 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,380 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 9, 2019 It is absolutely found in the big picture: That which restrains evil is good! Matt 19:17 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. KJV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted November 9, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 9, 2019 The Holy Spirit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted November 10, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,896 Content Per Day: 3.26 Reputation: 4,827 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted November 10, 2019 17 hours ago, Diaste said: This is the only correct understanding of this passage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted November 11, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,624 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,366 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 11, 2019 On 11/9/2019 at 11:36 PM, Michael37 said: And? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted November 11, 2019 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 241 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 6,896 Content Per Day: 3.26 Reputation: 4,827 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted November 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Diaste said: And? The mystery of ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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