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Did God dole out only Law in the OT and Grace in the NT?

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Please give examples for your answers.

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11 hours ago, JohnD said:

Please give examples for your answers.

If you rob a bank, you will spend many years in prison. Therefore, the Lord commanded us not to steal. That has always been true.

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11 hours ago, JohnD said:

Please give examples for your answers.

 

2 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

If you rob a bank, you will spend many years in prison. Therefore, the Lord commanded us not to steal. That has always been true.

The commandments are not our enemy. They are our guide.

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The Lord God is a God of Grace from beginning to end. It started with His designing a universe for us.

Grace is in a sense, the Glory of God and Jesus Christ is the totality of that Grace.

One great example of His grace in the OT is Abraham. Abraham represents us in many ways. One of those is how the Lord was gracious in calling him out from Ur. Abraham deserved no special treatment. He was an idolator living among an idolatrous people.

Just as we were, when He intersected our lives and injected Himself into us.

It was for His purposes in Abraham and for the same purpose for us.

In both cases---pure unmerited favor.

He is the God of Grace.

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God cold have ended A&E in Genesis 3 an d walked away from it all.

But he gave us grace.

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20 hours ago, JohnD said:

Please give examples for your answers.

Old and New Testament.

2 Covenants.

The first shows us our need of the Cross.

The 2nd Shows us God's Grace that has redeemed us from the "curse of the Law".

Old Testament..." The law came by Moses"

New Testament ..."Grace and TRUTH came by Jesus THE Christ

Why was a "New Testament" given ?      "" For if the Old Testament had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the New Testament.""

What this is explaining is that the first Testament, the "old covenant", the LAW, the TORAH,  was not perfect to make us Righteous.  The Law is perfect, but we as sinful flesh are not able to keep it perfectly, so, we are judged by it.  And until we are REDEEMED from it, by Jesus's Blood, thru "justification by faith" then the Law judges us as sinners.

"you'll die in your sin" if you reject me... Jesus said,..... because unless we are redeemed from it, we will be judged FOR IT< for all Eternity.


What is the New Testament"?   """Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood JESUS entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. """"

Notice it says..."JESUS....= having obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION for us"".... So, do you understand the definition of the word "eternal"?   This means never ending.. Forever.... He did and we get it.... And that is our position as Redeemed Born Again Christians.  We are ETERNALLY REDEEMED because the Cross is an Eternal Solution, that is applied to us, as SALVATION..... and there is no undoing something that is ETERNAL....... Not ever.

This means God Himself solved our issue with the Law, by Jesus meeting all the requirements of the Law so that we could be freed from the Judgment of it that is due us.   Christ rejectors will meet this judgment when they hit the Great White Throne in Rev 20:11.   Their names have been removed from the Lamb's book of life, because all Names of Christ Rejectors are removed.

Jesus was judged on the Cross for ALL our sin, and this removed the Law's ability to Judge US anymore.   SO,  we will not face eternal judgment in Eternity, because Jesus has faced it for us already on EARTH and DIED in our Place.

This is Salvation.

"for you are not under the law (anymore) it cant judge you any more). You are UNDER GRACE"... Grace is now our "law", Its the law of being freed from the judgment of the Law (old Covenant). (Old Testament).

In the Old Testament it spoke of Jesus coming, to redeem us.

In the New Testament, it literally happened.

Thank you JESUS !

 

 

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On 11/9/2019 at 9:30 PM, JohnD said:

Please give examples for your answers.

Psalms 105:37
And brings them out with silver and gold, And there is not in its tribes a feeble one

Before the law was given, no one was feeble or died for sins other than that of Adam. After the law was given, they broke the first commandment and 3,000 died. This happened for their arrogance saying they can keep all the law!

Exodus 19:7-8
And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.  And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD. 

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On 10 November 2019 at 2:30 AM, JohnD said:

Please give examples for your answers.

Read the OT, every time you come across God speaking to a prophet etc or a prophet addressing the people that is an example of Gods grace in action.

God did not have to do anything, that he did shows something of the extent of his love, grace and mercy.

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You want examples. God calling to Adam after he had eaten the forbidden fruit.

God speacking with Adam driving home his guilt and still showing him mercy.

God speaking to Cain after he had rejected his offering of fruit+veg.

God speaking to Noah and his constant provission for Noah.

Carry on.

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