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2 hours ago, Episcopius said:

"Spiritualizing" STREET and WALL IN THE 70 weeks prophecy may be insightful, but let's not forget, in Nehemiah' s time the STREET and WALL were physical realities, Jews returning from Exile worked on that WALL with a tool in one hand and a sword in the other hand, as enemies were attacking them as they built the wall. It was a wall definitely rebuilt in "troubling times".

Yes we know that happened, but the irony of it is that it happened again but with a twist. 

Daniel 9:25   Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

What happened first?

The temple was rebuilt in Jerusalem.  That's where the seven weeks should be placed.  At the beginning and not at the end.  This is the physical restoration of the temple.

and after that another 62 weeks for the Messiah to come into that same temple and start his preaching. Not important how many years went by, the fact is that it happened.  Now the spiritual restoration.  Jesus is the way.  He is that street.  That wall is the truth, we are either on this side or that side of the fence.  Jesus chose his 12 apostles to carry on his ministry after his death.  They are the 12 foundations in charge of us. They were set up before his death.  He chose them all. They are that wall that holds the building up.  If we are inside their teachings, we are inside that wall.  Jesus left his ministry to only 12.  Handpicked.  That wall was rebuilt.

 Revelation 21:14   And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

 

That 62nd week was the emergence of the Messiah.

'After' the 62nd week, Jesus died and was resurrected....must be week 63.

 

 Daniel 9:24   Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Prophecy sealed.  Closed. Finished.

 

Glory to the Lamb of God.

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It was PROPHESIED by a poster earlier in this thread that the scroll-closing would appear as alleged evidence that GAPS are justified.

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23 minutes ago, Abdicate said:

Jesus stopped mid-sentence! So it's not hard to believe the 70th week is separate from the 69th because that's exactly what Jesus said! The vengeance would come later, thousands of years later.

That's irrelevant because Daniel 9:24-27 is given within the constraints of a time frame.  Isaiah 61:1-2 is not.

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5 hours ago, Diaste said:

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

This has to be a truth in regards to this:

"Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Then everything between these two statements has to be associated with the Return of Jesus. It's true then that the generation that shall not pass must be one in which the events and conditions Jesus relates in Matt 24:4-33 is future. All of it. Then if it's true the A of D is at some time in the middle of the week as Daniel has said, then what of Matt 24:4-14? 

"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

This can only be true if the witnesses are contemporary to the events described. So then Matt 24:4-12 has to be an unprecedented time, near in time to the Return of Jesus, or neither 'shall not pass till all is fulfilled' and 'enduring to the end' could not be true. So why cannot the events from Matt 24:4-12 be the half of the week before what we all know is the last half of the week after the A of D?

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But there are many who believe that Jesus referred to TWO things as the question delineates. These things=70 A.D., sign of thy coming/end of the world=self explanatory.

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There is some kind of logic (or non-logic) going around that AFTER doesn't mean RIGHT. AFTER but 3 1/2 years after. 

If, for illustrative purposes, a SHAUVIM happened to be an hour long, and I had told Last Daze "I am coming over after t h e football game" and yet I don't go to Last Daze until 3 1/2 hours after the game ends, Last Daze would be left wondering

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6 minutes ago, Episcopius said:

There is some kind of logic (or non-logic) going around that AFTER doesn't mean RIGHT. AFTER but 3 1/2 years after. 

If, for illustrative purposes, a SHAUVIM happened to be an hour long, and I had told Last Daze "I am coming over after t h e football game" and yet I don't go to Last Daze until 3 1/2 hours after the game ends, Last Daze would be left wondering

That is why I take it to mean that JESUS is the subject of Dan. 9:27, and "the covenant" there is the one Jesus confirmed/fulfilled/made new. And it was in the midst (middle) of the 70th (that would be after 69) week when He fulfilled all six of those elements listed in the chapter.

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No. Jesus is CUT OFF at the end of the 69th week. That is the normal understanding of the language.

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5 minutes ago, Episcopius said:

No. Jesus is CUT OFF at the end of the 69th week. That is the normal understanding of the language.

Does that mean His ministry began 3.5 yrs earlier, possibly? 70th year future-gap?

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Possibly, yeah. His ministry, disputed by scholars to have lasted from one year to 3 and 1/2 years, was definitely within the 69th week, because He was cut off at end of the 69th week -He could do nothing on earth in first half of 70th week - He was gone.

We can't get away from math and chronology. Let's go back to Jews returning from exile. First we have Cyrus declaring - "OK, you can go back" - but no one does, at first. This is way early - 538 BC, I am not sure. Then Ezra tries to light a fire under everybody, pulling out his beard, egg in ,'em on to go back, he gets some King' s letter around 450-something and the way is strengthened to go back. But not til Nehemiah leaves his kushy job as royal cup-bearer and gets a letter bout 444 BC -saying specifically that he can cut down trees for WALLS, is there a big group goin back, led by A prophet, if Nehemiah can be called a prophet, .

Street, walls and temple needs rebuilding. Nehemiah eggs on these Jews to work on the wall and be ready to fight whatever -ITES are hassling them, and work with trowel in one hand, weapon in the other - get the street and wall built. Still no temple rebuilt. Haggai and some other prophet chew out the Jews again - "Get up off it and get God's Temple built, you lazy bums that built houses for yourselves while God doesn't have His house yet " - and finally a temple gets built, whether it took 46 years I dunno, some Pharisee said that to Jesus later on. The 46 years, if that is how long it took for TEMPLE, was AFTER street and wall were done, Temple was LAST. and done well within 70 weeks, maybe within first seven shauvim. There's still possibility of wall first, then 46 years of temple-building within those first 49 years.

Jesus is cut off at end of 69th week. We got Peentecost, got Jews believing left and right, and Greeks get in on this deal too. By the time it gets to needing DEACONS, the Greek widows are howling that the Hebrew widows are edging them out of food distribution or what have you. So deacons are set up so the 12 (which now includes Matthias) don't have to leave the Word of God to wait on tables. Stephen is one of these first 7 deacons. Unbelieving Jews don't like him and start chunking' rocks. Saul of Tarsus holds their coats so they can throw better. Stephen sees Christ standing at the right hand of God before he dies. Easily could have been 7 years from RENT VAIL at crucifixion til Stephen was stoned, one of those "standing there" with Jesus who would not taste death til he saw Son of Man in glory.

Believe in "mid-week cut off" if ya want. Show me.

 

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29 minutes ago, Episcopius said:

Believe in "mid-week cut off" if ya want. Show me.

Every translation I read says that the Messiah is cut off after the 69th (7 + 62) week.  The 70th week comes after the 69th.  How far into the 70th week before He is cut off is irrelevant to the point that His death (atonement for iniquity) takes place during the 70th week.

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