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27 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

The so-called reformation just replaced one set of rules and theological pontiffs with another and did nothing to banish Rome's changes to the Sabbath... they changed so little because much of it they had become accustomed to.

Well true brother, though on the other hand, I wouldn't underestimate the good that the Reformation did either.  Catholicism itself wasnt' reformed but many did come out of her and at least there was a lot more preaching of the true gospel than previously.....much more light shining in the darkness.  I'm not very knowledgeable about church history but I believe the Reformation was a major victory against the kingdom of darkness, even though it wasn't perfect.

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Another item of interest is that the Protestant canon was a much changed set of scriptures. Sadly, much of the baby was thrown out with the bath water in the zeal of the 'new' church. If you note the books that were removed, also came a less tolerant acceptance for individual thought and study. One regime was replaced with another. Augustine and Darby were once again exalted and shallow but safe doctrines followed. 'The City of God' and 'Paradise Lost' became our concepts of the 'other-worldly' stuff found in the Tanakh. Darby and Evolution and Marx became our go-to thoughts and the supernatural was largely strip-mined out of the few scriptures we had left. The Hebrews rewrote their Masoretic texts, and the books that Yeshua and His people read were disavowed (including the Septuagint LXX).

The many items recovered at Qumran (our oldest surviving texts) will show that although the church fathers were misguided in many ways, the CONTEXT in which the books were penned was preserved along with much Jewish thought that would have been accepted by Yeshua and His apostles - the Gospel is replete with phrases and concepts of the first century Israeli thought and their theology. But if it is kept from you, you will never recognize its significance.

The books that we are 'forbidden' to read became almost forgotten until Qumran, and the people charged with 'protecting the faith' did it rather too well. Nowadays, poor translations and commentaries seem to rule the day because the older Israeli CONTEXT is still frowned upon. So in the scriptures, we import OUR context and expect to understand it all. 18-21st century thought can never clearly comprehend 1st century context.

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17 hours ago, missmuffet said:

The world claims all kind of bogus things. It is true? no

But look deeper, we see in Revelation the beast that speaks blasphemies against God and make war on His saints.

Revelation 13

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.


In Daniel 7 we are told that the little horn also speaks blasphemies against the Most High.

Daniel 7

1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.


We see repeatedly Roman Catholic sources refer to the popes as vicars of Christ, vice-regents of Christ, representatives of Christ, Vicars of the Son of God, etc. Furthermore, the popes have claimed the right to exercise the power and prerogatives that belong only to God.


But even more, they claim to have the right to forgive sins, to set up and remove kings, to be bowed down to, to be called Holy Father, to execute the death penalty or make war upon dissenters, to change the Sabbath, to change God’s prophetic calendar, to be the supreme judges of heaven, earth and hell whose decision cannot be appealed, and to be infallible expositors in matters of faith and morals.


Look what scripture says..
Mark 2:7

7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?


Daniel 2:21

21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:


Revelation 19:10

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


Matthew 23:9

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.


Daniel 7:25

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.


John 5:22

22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


James 1:17

17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

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Well one of the thing we need to understand, is the Antichrist entity has been right in front of us, but covered itself well. If you look in prophecy about the Roman Empire in Daniel 7, the fourth kingdom, is represented by a powerful beast with iron teeth and 10 horns. The 10 horns represent the 10 kings or kingdoms into which pagan Rome was eventually split. These 10 kingdoms are the same as the 10 toes of the image described in Daniel 2.

So what happens next, the “little horn” power appears which is the antichrist of prophecy and history, and it doesn't take much to see what religious/political power came out of the Roman Empire.

 The little horn would come “up among them” that is, from among the 10 horns that were the kingdoms of Western Europe (Daniel 7:8).

It would have a man at its head who could speak for it (Daniel 7:8).

It would pluck out or uproot three kingdoms (Daniel 7:8).

It would be different from the other 10 kingdoms (Daniel 7:24).

It would make war with and persecute the saints (Daniel 7:21, 25).

It would emerge from the pagan Roman Empire, the fourth kingdom (Daniel 7:7, 8).

God’s people (the saints) would “be given into his hand” for “a time and times and half a time” (Daniel 7:25).

It would “speak great words against” or blaspheme God (Daniel 7:25). In Revelation 13:5, the Bible says the same power speaks “great things and blasphemies.”

It would “intend to change times and law” (Daniel 7:25).

All these identification points come directly from the Bible, and its not just one point but many that show who is this Antichrist power, and history tells us.

Here is a study I came across on the estimates of the destructive persecution this power did..."Here are some of the places where figures about religious persecutions are given. Dowling in his History of Romanism says:
 

"From the birth of Popery in 606 [Boniface III, see also William Branham, The Pergamean Church Age, p. 277:280] to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than fifty millions of the human family, have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors, an average of more than forty thousand religious murders for every year of the existence of popery."
— "History of Romanism," pp. 541, 542. New York: 1871.

Commenting on this quote, a fundamental Baptist web site says the following:

For example, it has been estimated by careful and reputed historians of the Catholic Inquisition that 50 million people were slaughtered for the crime of "heresy" by Roman persecutors between the A.D. 606 and the middle of the 19th century.

This is the number cited by John Dowling, who published the classic "History of Romanism" in 1847 (book VIII, chapter 1, footnote 1). Only seven years after its first printing, it could be said of Dowling's book, "it has already obtained a circulation much more extensive than any other large volume ever published in America, upon the subject of which it treats; or perhaps in England, with the exception of Fox's Book of Martyrs." Clark's Martyrology counts the number of Waldensian martyrs during the first half of the 13th century in France alone at two million. From A.D. 1160-1560 the Waldensians which dwelt in the Italian Alps were visited with 36 different fierce persecutions that spared neither age nor sex (Thomas Armitage, A History of the Baptists, "Post-Apostolic Times—The Waldensians," 1890). They were almost completely destroyed as a people and most of their literary record was erased from the face of the earth. From the year 1540 to 1570 "it is proved by national authentic testimony, that nearly one million of Protestants were publicly put to death in various countries in Europe, besides all those who were privately destroyed, and of whom no human record exists" (J.P. Callender, Illustrations of Popery, 1838, p. 400). Catholic historian Vergerius admits gleefully that during the Pontificate of Pope Paul IV (1555-1559) "the Inquisition alone, by tortures, starvation, or the fire, murdered more than 150,000 Protestants." These are only small samples of the brutality which was poured out upon "dissident" Christians by the Roman Catholic Church during the Inquisition.

Concerning the figure of two million killed, Bourne writes

Bertrand, the Papal Legate, wrote a letter to Pope Honorius, desiring to be recalled from the croisade against the primitive witnesses and contenders for the faith. In that authentic document, he stated, that within fifteen years, 300,000 of those crossed soldiers had become victims to their own fanatical and blind fury. Their unrelenting and insatiable thirst for Christian and human blood spared none within the reach of their impetuous despotism and unrestricted usurpations. On the river Garonne, a conflict occurred between the croisaders, with their ecclesiastical leaders, the Prelates of Thoulouse and Comminges; who solemnly promised to all their vassals the full pardon of sin, and the possession of heaven immediately, if they were slain in the battle. The Spanish monarch and his confederates acknowledged that they must have lost 400,000 men, in that tremendous conflict, and immediately after it-but the Papists boasted, that including the women and children, they had massacred more than two millions of the human family, in that solitary croisade against the southwest part of France.
— Bourne, George, The American Textbook of Popery, Griffith & Simon, Philadelphia, 1846, pp. 402-403.

In only one crusade, two million Albigenses were killed. How many must there have been altogether, and how many millions more must have been killed during the entire Middle Ages! Another source writes

The Catholic crusade against the Albigenses in Southern France (from 1209-1229), under Popes Innocent III., Honorius III. and Gregory IX., was one of the bloodiest tragedies in human history . . . The number of Albigenses that perished in the twenty years' war is estimated at from one to two millions.
— Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XIV. W. E. H. Lecky says:

  • "That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history. The memorials, indeed, of many of her persecutions are now so scanty, that it is impossible to form a complete conception of the multitude of her victims, and it is quite certain that no power of imagination can adequately realize their sufferings."
    — "History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe," Vol. II, p. 32. London: Longmans, Green, and Co., 1910.

The following quotation is from The Glorious Reformation by S. S. SCHMUCKER, D. D., Discourse in Commemoration of the Glorious Reformation of the Sixteenth Century; delivered before the Evangelical Lutheran Synod of West Pennsylvania, by the Rev. S. S. Schmucker, D.D., Professor of Theology in the Theological Seminary at Gettysburg. Published by Gould and Newman. 1838.
 

Need I speak to you of the thirty years' war in Germany, which was mainly instigated by the Jesuits, in order to deprive the Protestants of the right of free religious worship, secured to them by the treaty of Augsburg? Or of the Irish rebellion, of the inhuman butchery of about fifteen millions of Indians in South America, Mexico and Cuba, by the Spanish papists? In short, it is calculated by authentic historians, that papal Rome has shed the blood of sixty-eight millions of the human race in order to establish her unfounded claims to religious dominion (citing Dr. Brownlee's "Popery an enemy to civil liberty", p. 105).

Estimates range up to 7 to 12 million for the number who died in the thirty years' war, and higher:
 

This was the century of the last religious wars in "Christendom," the Thirty Years' War in Germany, fomented by the Jesuits, reducing the people to cannibalism, and the population of Bohemia from 4,000,000 to 780,000, and of Germany from 20,000,000 to 7,000,000, and making Southern Germany almost a desert, . . .
— Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII.

Concerning the Irish rebellion, John Temple's True Impartial History of the Irish Rebellion of 1641, written in 1644, puts the number of victims at 300,000, but other estimates are much smaller. Some estimates are larger:

  • In addition to the Jesuit or Catholic atrocities of this century already enumerated with some particulars, they massacred 400 Protestants at Grossoto, in Lombardy, July 19th, 1620; are said to have destroyed 400,000 Protestants in Ireland, in 1641, by outright murder, and cold, and hunger, and drowning . . .
    — Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII.

In fact, the population of Ireland is estimated to have decreased from 2 million in 1640 to 1.7 million in 1672, according to R.F. Foster, Modern Ireland 1600-1972 (1988). However, this could have resulted from British reprisals to some extent and from emigration, forced or voluntary. The population should have increased by about 200,000 during this period, assuming a 30 percent growth rate per century. This implies that 500,000 people in excess of normal either died or left Ireland during this time, and is consistent with 300,000 or more Protestants being killed in 1641.

The figure of 68 million appeared in Schmucker's talk in 1838, in Brownlee's book of 1836, and also in a book "Plea for the West" by Lyman Beecher (Cincinnati, Truman and Smith, 1835), pp. 130-131:

And let me ask again, whether the Catholic religion, in its union with the state, has proved itself so unambitious, meek, and unaspiring so feeble, and easy to be entreated, as to justify-a proud, contempt of its avowed purpose and systematic movements to secure an ascendancy in this nation? It is accidental that in alliance with despotic governments, it has swayed a sceptre of iron, for ten centuries over nearly one-third of; the population of, the globe, and by a death of violence is estimated to have swept from 'the' earth about sixty-eight millions of its inhabitants, and holds now in darkness and bondage nearly half the civilized world?

The exact quote of Brownlee referenced above is as follows:

In one word, the church of Rome has spent immense treasures and shed, in murder, the blood of sixty eight millions and five hundred thousand of the human race, to establish before the astonished and disgusted world, her fixed determination to annihilate every claim set up by the human family to liberty, and the right of unbounded freedom of conscience.
— Popery an enemy to civil liberty, 1836, pp. 104-105.

Also, in another work Brownlee states

  • Papal Rome has shed the blood of fifty millions of Christians in Europe!
    — The Roman Catholic Religion viewed in the light of Prophecy and History, New York, Charles K. Moore, 1843, page 60.

And later in the same work,

The best writers enumerate fifty millions of Christians destroyed by fire, and the sword, and the inquisition; and fifteen millions of natives of the American continent and islands; and three millions of Moors in Europe, and one million and a half of Jews. Now, here are sixty-nine millions and five hundred thousands of human beings, murdered by "the woman of the Roman hills, who was drunk with the blood of the saints." And this horrid list does not include those of her own subjects, who fell in the crusades in Asia, and in her wars against European Christians, and in South America!" .....and just continues...

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I expect to see in the near future, the destruction of Vatican City (Mystery Babylon)

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The Pope preaches a False Gospel Of Works in order to be saved.As such, Paul declares him and all others that preach a false Gospel to be “ Accursed”—- Damned by God .Those that fall for his false gospel are “ severed from the Cross” and “ fallen from Grace” .Lets hope these two terms do not mean Loss Of Salvation Or “ the Narrow Way” is really gonna be Narrow.......billions around the world are “ severed from the Cross and never have a clue about it. Please read Galations.....it’s only 6 Chapters....Your Eternal Fate could depend on it.... 

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Yes the Pope claims to be the Vicar of Christ, God on earth. Where did that come from? It originated with the religion of ancient Babylon. This false religion spread all over the world. Who was Caesar? God on earth. Who was Pharaoh?  God on earth. Who was Napoleon? God on earth. This false religion of the sun, moon and star is all over the world. The false savior is Tammuz, the reincarnated Nimrod. Tammuz from Babylon is Horus from Egypt, Apollo from Greece, Thor from Scandinavia, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc different names all over the world.

 

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On 11/22/2019 at 6:18 PM, Hobie_ said:

and makes assertions that he has the authority to say these things and to make changes,

 

On 11/23/2019 at 1:40 AM, Heleadethme said:

It truly is utter blasphemy and very antichrist,

 

On 11/23/2019 at 10:01 PM, OldCoot said:

The key is being in the Word and not following traditions of men. 

 

On 11/24/2019 at 2:00 AM, missmuffet said:

No, the Pope is just another human being like you and me. 

 

On 11/24/2019 at 4:02 AM, Justin Adams said:

The so-called reformation just replaced one set of rules and theological pontiffs with another and did nothing to banish Rome's changes to the Sabbath...

In Aug or Sept ? 2012 i had a dream of seeing Pope Benedict was eating from a bowl, God then let me had a look into the bowl, it was just some scrap remaining, then on March 2013 Benedict immediately resigned.

In February 2013 while i was watching TV i suddenly saw a man appeared in front of me and then immediately disappeared again twice, he was in religious attribute, i didnt know who that was. When the new Pope was elected in March 2013 God reminded me of the vision and i recognized him, this below picture is the same with his appearance in the vision.

I dont know what will become of this man, but some people assume him as the 8th king of Revelation. Just sharing.

I dont mind if people think this is only an illusion.

https://www.worldslastchance.com/end-time-prophecy/revelation-17-prophecy-of-the-seven-kings-8th-king-identified.html

pope-francis-600.jpg

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On 11/24/2019 at 5:06 AM, Justin Adams said:

Another item of interest is that the Protestant canon was a much changed set of scriptures. Sadly, much of the baby was thrown out with the bath water in the zeal of the 'new' church. If you note the books that were removed, also came a less tolerant acceptance for individual thought and study. One regime was replaced with another. Augustine and Darby were once again exalted and shallow but safe doctrines followed. 'The City of God' and 'Paradise Lost' became our concepts of the 'other-worldly' stuff found in the Tanakh. Darby and Evolution and Marx became our go-to thoughts and the supernatural was largely strip-mined out of the few scriptures we had left. The Hebrews rewrote their Masoretic texts, and the books that Yeshua and His people read were disavowed (including the Septuagint LXX).

The many items recovered at Qumran (our oldest surviving texts) will show that although the church fathers were misguided in many ways, the CONTEXT in which the books were penned was preserved along with much Jewish thought that would have been accepted by Yeshua and His apostles - the Gospel is replete with phrases and concepts of the first century Israeli thought and their theology. But if it is kept from you, you will never recognize its significance.

The books that we are 'forbidden' to read became almost forgotten until Qumran, and the people charged with 'protecting the faith' did it rather too well. Nowadays, poor translations and commentaries seem to rule the day because the older Israeli CONTEXT is still frowned upon. So in the scriptures, we import OUR context and expect to understand it all. 18-21st century thought can never clearly comprehend 1st century context.

There has been such a terrible and appalling battle against the precious truth from the beginning.  It makes me grieve in my heart.  Myself personally I'm just not scholarly enough to be able to sort out exactly what is what, and it seems too late at this later stage of life to start now.....however just want to say that it seems equally likely the translations of those other books would have been altered down through the centuries as well, even by the time they got to Jesus' day.  The old testament also mentions the lying pen of the scribes. 

Speaking of supernatural, it all makes us so thankful for the Holy Spirit to Help us understand and to fill in gaps, and so we can consult and follow the Shepherd of our souls who is alive and risen from the dead.  :)  Keeping in mind too that even with perfect translations of everything we would still be seeing through a glass darkly, but can look forward to the day when we will fully know even as we are fully known.  Meanwhile we do our sincerest best to follow Jesus with what we have, remembering that having begun in the spirit we are not now made perfect by the flesh in any case.

Having said that though, I have sometimes wondered if there were more letters written by the apostles or other writings that the early RCC hid away in archives in some moldy old basement in Rome....would dearly like to read them if there are any.  So good of Rome, always controlling and looking out for the ignorant masses, lest they be led astray from what Rome deems to be right in her exalted state, just like she used to keep the entire bible away from the common folk.

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On 11/29/2019 at 9:38 PM, Blood Bought 1953 said:

The Pope preaches a False Gospel Of Works in order to be saved.As such, Paul declares him and all others that preach a false Gospel to be “ Accursed”—- Damned by God .Those that fall for his false gospel are “ severed from the Cross” and “ fallen from Grace” .Lets hope these two terms do not mean Loss Of Salvation Or “ the Narrow Way” is really gonna be Narrow.......billions around the world are “ severed from the Cross and never have a clue about it. Please read Galations.....it’s only 6 Chapters....Your Eternal Fate could depend on it.... 

Yes, falling from grace is a real danger......there are many dangers toils and snares along the way on the Christian journey.  Just we have to remember that there are two ditches on both sides of the narrow Way.  The carnal mind cannot perceive it, so we need the Holy Spirit to help us apprehend the truth and keep us on that Way without falling into either ditch.  Sometimes I have to tell myself, don't even try to understand it for now, I am just not sufficient in myself to understand, but just read the word of God and take it to heart, omitting nothing and adding nothing to it.  If we are led by the Spirit, God knows what we need when we need it.  He knows what encouragements, what warnings, what nudges, what comfort, what rebukes, etc, that He will unction to us from His word as we need it.

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