Dennis1209 Posted December 7, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,458 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,372 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2019 No doubt you're going to see where this is heading by these easy questions. (1) Whom sinned first and whom is the 'father of sin'? (2) Was death and sin present in the world and universe before the fall of Adam & Eve? (3) Who was a murderer from the beginning? [Hint: No, Cain is not in the beginning]. (4) Was Adam made and formed 'mortal'? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted December 7, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.98 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said: No doubt you're going to see where this is heading by these easy questions. (1) Whom sinned first and whom is the 'father of sin'? ha satan (2) Was death and sin present in the world and universe before the fall of Adam & Eve? no/yes (3) Who was a murderer from the beginning? [Hint: No, Cain is not in the beginning]. ha satan (4) Was Adam made and formed 'mortal'? conditional immortality, so long as the tree of life was available. (1) Whom sinned first and whom is the 'father of sin'? ha satan (2) Was death and sin present in the world and universe before the fall of Adam & Eve? no/yes (3) Who was a murderer from the beginning? [Hint: No, Cain is not in the beginning]. ha satan (4) Was Adam made and formed 'mortal'? conditional immortality, so long as the tree of life was available in God's presence. Edited December 7, 2019 by Justin Adams 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted December 7, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.82 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2019 (1) Whom sinned first and whom is the 'father of sin'? Eve sinned first. It was the sin of pride that led her to eat the apple. Adam is the father of sin. (2) Was death and sin present in the world and universe before the fall of Adam & Eve? No (3) Who was a murderer from the beginning? [Hint: No, Cain is not in the beginning]. Satan (4) Was Adam made and formed 'mortal'? Adam was mortal before he sinned and ate the apple. He was immortal after he sinned and ate the apple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted December 7, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted December 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said: No doubt you're going to see where this is heading by these easy questions. (1) Whom sinned first and whom is the 'father of sin'? (2) Was death and sin present in the world and universe before the fall of Adam & Eve? (3) Who was a murderer from the beginning? [Hint: No, Cain is not in the beginning]. (4) Was Adam made and formed 'mortal'? 1.) It sounds to me like Eve was the first to sin (Genesis 3:6). I've never heard the expression "father of sin" before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted December 7, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted December 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said: No doubt you're going to see where this is heading by these easy questions. (1) Whom sinned first and whom is the 'father of sin'? (2) Was death and sin present in the world and universe before the fall of Adam & Eve? (3) Who was a murderer from the beginning? [Hint: No, Cain is not in the beginning]. (4) Was Adam made and formed 'mortal'? 2. First, let us define "death." It would appear to me to have two meanings. It can mean "the end of existence." It can mean "to suffer." But biblically speaking, I would say that death and sin did not exist before the fall of Adam and Eve. However, the account could be symbolic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted December 7, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted December 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said: No doubt you're going to see where this is heading by these easy questions. (1) Whom sinned first and whom is the 'father of sin'? (2) Was death and sin present in the world and universe before the fall of Adam & Eve? (3) Who was a murderer from the beginning? [Hint: No, Cain is not in the beginning]. (4) Was Adam made and formed 'mortal'? 3. Is this a trick question? I'm guessing you are referring to Satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted December 7, 2019 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.31 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted December 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said: No doubt you're going to see where this is heading by these easy questions. (1) Whom sinned first and whom is the 'father of sin'? (2) Was death and sin present in the world and universe before the fall of Adam & Eve? (3) Who was a murderer from the beginning? [Hint: No, Cain is not in the beginning]. (4) Was Adam made and formed 'mortal'? 4. If "mortal" means "destined to die," I would have to say yes. I don't see where this is heading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 7, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,064 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 27,816 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted December 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Dennis1209 said: No doubt you're going to see where this is heading by these easy questions. (1) Whom sinned first and whom is the 'father of sin'? (2) Was death and sin present in the world and universe before the fall of Adam & Eve? (3) Who was a murderer from the beginning? [Hint: No, Cain is not in the beginning]. (4) Was Adam made and formed 'mortal'? Satan sinned first, but Adam brought sin into this world Death and sin in the world before the fall of Adam: yes and no.... no if the tree of life had been kept available to Adam BTW Eve was deceived so sin was attached to Adam. Satan Adam was formed as a perfect human who would have been given access to the tree of life had he not sinned.... without the tree of life he lived 700 to 900 years and died. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPassingThru Posted December 7, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 14 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,979 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 2,112 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/23/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2019 4. No. Adam was made in the image of God, since God is immortal so was Adam an immortal soul-spirit. What died in Adam the day he rebelled was his communication with God, before his rebellion God talked with him and He with God, ...they met together "in the cool of the evening" to converse together. Lord bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted December 7, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,559 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,040 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted December 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Dennis1209 said: Was death and sin present in the world and universe before the fall of Adam & Eve? -Death in Adam, Life in Christ- ..."Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ." Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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