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11 hours ago, WilliamL said:

2. The abomination of desolation quotation by Jesus in Matt. 24:15 is from Daniel 12:11, which is End Times.

You end up in your conclusion.

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Many authors have written books involving the interpretation of prophecy, primarily on the books of Daniel and Revelation. Few of the popular authors in this field have exhibited more than a small amount of spiritual insight, with the result that the fruits of their labor are equally capable of attainment by an unbeliever who, of course, would be incapable of any true spiritual enlightenment.

Also, the popular authors tend to interpret only those portions of Scripture that would appeal to their reading audience and to avoid portions that might be offensive and thus endanger the appeal of their books.

So Christ also having been once offered to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to them that wait for him, unto salvation. (Heb. 9:28)

But of that day and hour knows no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only. (Matt. 24:36)

Anyone who sets a precise date for the ending of this age- regardless of source or reasoning- is wrong!

Now from the fig tree learn her parable Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. (Matt. 24:32‑34)

It has been realized by students of the Bible for more than two hundred years that the parable of the fig tree meant that Israel would become a nation again.

Israel became a nation again on May 14, 1948.

It is clear from the correlation between these verses that the great earthquake of the sixth seal occurs shortly before the last three and a half years <the great Tribulation> of this age.

Although this earthquake will be of supernatural magnitude, unlike the subsequent calamities of the great Tribulation, it will have natural causes. Can we thus determine approximately when this earthquake is likeliest to occur?

And there shall be signs in sun and moon and stars; ...for the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. (Luke 21:25-26)

Notice that Luke 21:25‑26 is a description of outward signs also occurring at this time. What are the only signs in the sun that are visible to the naked eye? Sunspots! The word translated as 'stars' in Luke 21:25 may equally be in reference to the planets. Is there a connection between the cause of this great earthquake and these other, simultaneously occurring outward signs?

According to Wood, the next two sunspot cycles will peak in 1982 & 1993...307

Now, to the surprise of many scientists, there has come evidence that the alignments of the planets can, for sound scientific reasons, affect the behavior of the earth. But one of these occasions‑ an alignment of the planets which occurs only once every 179 years‑ is due in 1982309

The most likely time for the triggering of the earthquake is the time midway between the spring and fall of 1982. Thus, the focal point of likeliest time is midnight August 4-5, Israeli time, midway between spring and fall.

The next appearance of Halley's comet will be in 1986 ... it will appear brightest in February of 1986 . . 318

Almost certainly this was the star that the Wise‑men followed, and it was the tail of Halley's comet that was used by God to point their way.

The alignment of the planets converges with a sunspot peak only once every 1,969 years. In this situation, we have the precise concurrence of a series of events that is unique, with a single event (Israel) that is likewise unique, all of which was prophesied nineteen centuries ago. Mathematically, there is no chance whatsoever that these events are merely coincidental.

 

...as modern chronologers have demonstrated, that the date of the Christian era, or of the birth of Christ Himself, was moved FOUR YEARS from the true time. ...but there seems to be no doubt of the fact, that the birth of the Lord Jesus was made full four years later than the truth. 314

What is the significance of the six days of the restoration and the seventh day of rest spoken of in Genesis, chapters 1 and 2?

Deduction based on various statements in the Bible; however, place the date of creation only a few thousand years in the past. The precise date usually found in the headings of the King James Bible is 4004 B.C., this date having been worked out by the Irish theologian James Ussher (1581‑1656). 319

...with the Lord one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day. (2 Peter 3:8)

            This date of 4004 B.C. is a date indicated by the Scriptures.

As we have seen previously, Christ was actually born in the year that we record as 4 B.C. Thus, it was four of the Lord's days (exactly 4,000 of our years) from the indicated date of "creation" to the birth of Christ. Using the same reckoning, the time of the Lord's return (which will be at the beginning of the seventh day, the millennium) should be the year 1996.  If He has not returned by this time, then He has tarried because the bride still hasn’t made herself ready. 

I think that the following conclusions are both accurate and appropriate:

1. Before midnight Israeli time August 4‑5, 1982 the last 3 1/2 years before the physical return of Christ (the Great Tribulation) could not begin. Now it can begin anytime.

2. We still see through a glass darkly what the 3 1/2 years before (the first half of the last week of years) the Great Tribulation will transpire as.

3. In His mercy, the Lord has tarried. He probably should have been back no later than 1996.

 

 

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On 2/9/2020 at 12:27 PM, A Christian 1985 said:

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Please stick to the posted topic. Have a little courtesy.

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On 12/12/2019 at 3:15 PM, WilliamL said:

Time for those of you who keep saying that the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 is a prophecy about the End Times to make your case, both scripturally and historically. Should be interesting.

Confirming the covenant for 7 years has not been done because Israel the nation had not been an independent country since Solomon's time.

And still cannot be done because of occupancy by the muslims on the temple mount.

The confirming of the covenant for 7 years, is a speech to the nation of Israel, that Moses required in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 of all future leaders of Israel, that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as theirs, forever.

The prince who shall come will make that speech, to the nation of Israel, from the temple mount - following Gog/Magog.    The Jews, thinking he is the messiah, but in reality will be the Antichrist.

 

 

 

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On 2/22/2020 at 5:09 AM, douggg said:

Confirming the covenant for 7 years has not been done because Israel the nation had not been an independent country since Solomon's time.

Nonsense. Both historically and otherwise. The Hebrew text of Daniel 9:27 does not say "confirm the covenant," it says, "confirm a covenant." So right off you are basing your argument on a false misreading of Scripture.

On 2/22/2020 at 5:09 AM, douggg said:

The confirming of the covenant for 7 years, is a speech to the nation of Israel, that Moses required in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 of all future leaders of Israel, that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as theirs, forever.

Another misreading of the text. The law required the reading of the Torah at the Feast of Tabernacles every 7th/Sabbatical year. This has nothing to do with the prophesied events of Daniel 9:26-27, with its destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple.

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17 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Nonsense. Both historically and otherwise. The Hebrew text of Daniel 9:27 does not say "confirm the covenant," it says, "confirm a covenant." So right off you are basing your argument on a false misreading of Scripture.

Another misreading of the text. The law required the reading of the Torah at the Feast of Tabernacles every 7th/Sabbatical year. This has nothing to do with the prophesied events of Daniel 9:26-27, with its destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple.

According to the kjv, it says "the" covenant ...

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

Read the first 8 verses of Deuteronomy 31.    They were about to cross over the Jordan, and possess the land, destroy the peoples occupying it.

The confirming of the covenant is the rememberance speech of about what the children of Israel of Moses's time went through.    The key of that fact is in verse 13.

13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it. 

The speech will be made by the Antichrist in the wake of Gog/Magog, which the muslim nations will try to take the land of Israel away from the Jews.     The Jews I have talked to consider the temple mount to be the place of God's choosing for the speech.

11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

It will likely be that the false prophet will anoint the person on that day as the King of Israel, which becoming the King of Israel  (coming in his own name) is what makes the person the Antichrist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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How to tell which is right: (the covenant vs a covenant)

Stick to context...In v. 4 Daniel is praying about "the covenant", and it stands to reason a specific covenant was in mind. Certainly not some treaty with a foreign power-ridiculous. So Gabriel was answering about the very thing Daniel had prayed about-simple. If someone still can't identify it, note that in v.4 it is the one connected to His commandments, precepts and judgments. I think the KJV translators got it right.

 

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On 2/25/2020 at 6:44 PM, douggg said:

According to the kjv, it says "the" covenant ...

The KJV is in error here, as in other places. Whenever I want to base any critical teaching on a verse or passage, I always consult the original language of the text. Too many false teachings are based on shoddy translations.

On 2/25/2020 at 7:34 PM, Uriah said:

Stick to context...In v. 4 Daniel is praying about "the covenant", and it stands to reason a specific covenant was in mind. Certainly not some treaty with a foreign power-ridiculous. So Gabriel was answering about the very thing Daniel had prayed about-simple. If someone still can't identify it, note that in v.4 it is the one connected to His commandments, precepts and judgments. I think the KJV translators got it right.

Simply wrong. You are basing your view on a presumption, perhaps the very same as the KJV translators did. Whereas I look to the facts, and don't presume anything.

 

On 2/25/2020 at 6:44 PM, douggg said:

The speech will be made by the Antichrist in the wake of Gog/Magog, which the muslim nations will try to take the land of Israel away from the Jews.     The Jews I have talked to consider the temple mount to be the place of God's choosing for the speech.

11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

It will likely be that the false prophet will anoint the person on that day as the King of Israel, which becoming the King of Israel  (coming in his own name) is what makes the person the Antichrist.

All this is pure unvarnished speculation.

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2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

The KJV is in error here, as in other places. Whenever I want to base any critical teaching on a verse or passage, I always consult the original language of the text. Too many false teachings are based on shoddy translations.

In ANY translation you want, is the CONTEXT I pointed out in error? Perhaps you will take the position that Daniell was NOT praying about God's covenant they violated. It is perfectly reasonable to expect the reply to Daniel's prayers would include this topic as well. 

The real shoddy reasoning is to take a word that can be used in more than one way and assign it's meaning ad hoc to support a pet theory requiring the denial of the guidance of CONTEXT.

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2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

The KJV is in error here, as in other places. Whenever I want to base any critical teaching on a verse or passage, I always consult the original language of the text. Too many false teachings are based on shoddy translations.

Simply wrong. You are basing your view on a presumption, perhaps the very same as the KJV translators did. Whereas I look to the facts, and don't presume anything.

 

All this is pure unvarnished speculation.

I have talked to the Jews themselves regarding the Deuteronomy 31:9-13 requirement that Moses made.     They say it must be done from the temple mount.

In addition, to them, Jeremiah 31:31, the new covenant in Jesus, the Jew maintain that it is not new - but a "renewal" of the Mt. Sinai covenant.

 

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