Justin Adams Posted January 13, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 hours ago, RogerDC said: Your comment seems to contain a contradiction: You say our salvation is the "work of God alone", but then you say we must have faith to be saved? If we must have faith to be saved, then we our salvation is not the "work of God alone". Perhaps you are confusing our redemption with our salvation. The suffering and death of Jesus on the Cross alone is not what saves us, otherwise everyone who has ever lived would be saved. Such a contentious comment. We have to have BELIEVING faith in the One True God. Yes, we must be breathing in order to do this belief stuff. It is a work of God. He made us. He expects a correct response. It is ALL His doing in the end analysis. For His Pleasure we are created. Do not try to confuse others by making salvation and redemption opposites. We must not use ancient and modern philosophy of theological stuff as a weapon. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve morrow Posted January 13, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,044 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 366 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1955 Share Posted January 13, 2020 GRACE --- DO YOU BELIEVE TITUS 2:11 for the grace of GOD that --BRINGETH SALVATION-- hath appeared to all men --2:12-- teaching us that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts we should live --SOBERLY -- RIGHTEOUSLY -- AND GODLY in this present world ROMANS 15:17 for if by one mans offence death reigned by one much more they which receive abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one JESUS CHRIST PROVERBS 8:8 all the words of MY MOUTH are in righteousness there is nothing froward or perverse in them PROVERBS 8:20 I lead in the way of righteousness in the midst of the paths of judgement PROVERBS 11:4 riches profit not in the day wrath but righteousness delivereth from death PSALM 119:138 thy testimonies that thou hast commanded are righteous and very faithful 1 JOHN 3:10 in this the children --- of GOD are manifest --- and the children of the devil whosoever doeth --NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS-- IS NOT OF GOD --neither he that loveth not his brother 1 JOHN 2:10 he that loveth his brother abideth in the light and there is none occasion of stumbling in him PSALM 119:130 the entrance of thy words giveth light it giveth understanding unto the simple JOHN 1:1 in the beginning was the word and the word was with GOD and the word was god JOHN 1:4 in HIM was life and the life was the light of men HEBREWS 5:9 and being made perfect HE became the author of eternal salvation unto --- ALL THEM THAT OBEY HIM HEBREWS 7:24 but this man because HE continueth ever hath an unchangeable priesthood *******PROVERBS 21:30 THERE IS NO WISDOM NOR UNDERSTANDING NOR COUNSEL AGAINST THE LORD******* *******ISAIAH 2:22 cease you from man whose breath is in his nostrils for wherein is he to be accounted of******* LOVING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted January 13, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.56 Reputation: 9,010 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Define righteousness? Nothing could be more simple. Jesus Christ, the Son of God IS righteousness. Seek Him and you will find righteousness. Seek to understand Him and you will know righteousness. He is the ONE who is perfectly 'right' with God the Father. Ask God to show Christ to you and you will 'experience' Righteousness. Jesus Christ. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerDC Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Catholic Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 89 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/08/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 7:40 PM, Justin Adams said: Such a contentious comment. We have to have BELIEVING faith in the One True God. Yes, we must be breathing in order to do this belief stuff. It is a work of God. He made us. He expects a correct response. It is ALL His doing in the end analysis. For His Pleasure we are created. Do not try to confuse others by making salvation and redemption opposites. We must not use ancient and modern philosophy of theological stuff as a weapon. What is "believing faith"? I can't find that term in the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerDC Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Catholic Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 89 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/08/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 11:04 PM, Sonshine said: Greetings, Roger…. I would venture to say that a saved-by-grace person who truly loves the Lord will always try to obey His laws and instructions and walk worthy of His calling. God’s law itself is not bad; it is man that’s bad, and this is why Jesus came to fulfill the law for us. He came to become the “curse” for us that we might have eternal life. The law never saved anybody and it never will. Why? ....because if the law could save, Jesus would’ve died in vain. What do you mean by "the law"? In Gal 5:19-21, Paul warns believers that their sins can result in them being excluded from the kingdom of God - in which case they would end up in hell. So clearly, there are laws that Christians must obey or they won't be saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 1:11 AM, RogerDC said: What if we don't obey and fulfil the laws of God - are we still saved? Yes...we are still saved. Nobody can obey God 100% and that is the Standard for Salvation.... “Ye are to be perfect” Jesus said. He meant it. If you can be perfect-Heaven is yours to claim. If you can’t be Perfect ( and nobody but Jesus can do this ) you can grab hold of the “ loophole”....Rest in the Gospel Of 1 Cor:1-4 and God will impute you with the Perfection Of His Son. Jesus takes your sins and you take on His Righteousness.....Christianity 101....best deal in the Universe ..... Saved people have taken that deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, RogerDC said: What do you mean by "the law"? In Gal 5:19-21, Paul warns believers that their sins can result in them being excluded from the kingdom of God - in which case they would end up in hell. So clearly, there are laws that Christians must obey or they won't be saved. One does not get saved by “ obeying laws”......One gets saved by believing and acting on a Promise Of God....that is what Faith is..... “Anybody that asks to be saved WILL be saved”.That's a Promise from God. Believe it and you will be saved . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,652 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 10:11 PM, RogerDC said: What if we don't obey and fulfil the laws of God - are we still saved? Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, Rom 4:6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: Rom 4:7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; Rom 4:8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,652 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, RogerDC said: What is "believing faith"? I can't find that term in the Bible. The same Greek word is used for both. Faith is a noun or name and believe is a verb or action word. They are saying that faith is associated with actions that demonstrate or are produced by their faith. Believe means trusting in and relying on God or upon His word in the Bible. Does that help? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerDC Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Catholic Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 89 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/08/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 37 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: One does not get saved by “ obeying laws” In Gal 5:19-21, Paul warns believers that their sins can result in their exclusion from the kingdom of God. This implies obeying laws is essential for salvation, does it not? Furthermore, James 2 says "a man is justified by works and not by faith alone" and "faith without works is dead". In other words, faith alone is dead faith. Btw, "works" includes obeying laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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