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6 hours ago, OldCoot said:

The walls are border walls. Not village walls.  So by your analogy, because we put up a border wall along the Mexican border, there is a border wall when I go to Des Moines Iowa.  Funny, was just up there today and didn't see a wall.

keep in mind the culture and timing of that prophecy.  In ancient times, many cities had walls and gates to protect themselves from marauders.  To a person living 2700 years ago, to see Israel today would seem very much like a bunch of unwalled villages.

 

 

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Today Israel have the military guarding their boundaries.  That's their wall. 

During the millennium, there are no armies, because there is no threat of war.  Ezekiel 38 is at the end of the thousand years, and Israel is that land that has been brought back from the sword.  For a thousand years they have been delivered from war.  When Satan gets out of prison, he starts a new war and Israel is only "surrounded" by their enemies.  Those enemies do not get in.  Compare that to the end time prophesies before the 2nd Coming, where the enemies come into Jerusalem and devour whatever is in their path and you have two different wars in two different points of time. 

During the thousand years, the Lord Jesus is Israel's wall, not a military.  He controls the boundaries, and he says who can come in or not.  Anyone who does not seek the Lord cannot enter.  That wall is strong.

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Well it sounds interesting but I don't see the allegory of the passage as you do.

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6 hours ago, OldCoot said:

Well it sounds interesting but I don't see the allegory of the passage as you do.

 Psalms 89:18   For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.
 

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4 hours ago, Sister said:

 Psalms 89:18   For the LORD is our defence; and the Holy One of Israel is our king.
 

 

10 hours ago, Sister said:

During the thousand years, the Lord Jesus is Israel's wall, not a military.  He controls the boundaries, and he says who can come in or not.  Anyone who does not seek the Lord cannot enter.  That wall is strong.

If one takes Ezekiel 38 by itself, they might be able to shoe horn it into the time frame of the end of the 1000 years.  but context is everything, and Ezekiel 39 is a continuation, talking about the same event and there is a lot there that cannot legitimately be tied into the 1000 years period, especially Ezekiel 39:21 onward.   So it has to be pre Messianic Kingdom.  And at present, the Lord is not the physical defense of Israel today in the way you are trying to assert.  And one cannot tie in Ezekiel 38 and 39 together into the 1000 years without offering some very substantive supporting text from both NT and OT, or using some sort of gymnastics in their scripture exegesis and allegorizing things to an extreme.

There is no evidence that Ezekiel 38-39 the Lord is already physically ruling from Zion as is the period of the 1000 years.  But in Psalms 2 which does have the rebellion at the end of the 1000 years in mind, does show that Yeshua has been established and set King over Zion when the nations imagine a vain thing and wish to throw off the rule of Messiah over them.  And that does tie in to Satan being able to deceive the nations at the end of the 1000 years to rebel.

So I don't accept the assertion trying to be made that Ezekiel 38-39 is talking about the end of the Messianic Kingdom 1000 years.

 

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5 hours ago, OldCoot said:

If one takes Ezekiel 38 by itself, they might be able to shoe horn it into the time frame of the end of the 1000 years.  but context is everything, and Ezekiel 39 is a continuation, talking about the same event and there is a lot there that cannot legitimately be tied into the 1000 years period, especially Ezekiel 39:21 onward.   So it has to be pre Messianic Kingdom.  

Hello OldCoot

Yes Ezekiel 39 is a continuation of chapter 38.

Don't forget a thousand years is a long time.  Children are being born every day, and those old enough to witness the Gog and Magog war, both Gentiles and Jews, who have not experienced war will see God's glory by his judgements on those who are led astray by Gog.  There will be no doubt any longer amongst the surviving heathen, that the Lord God is full of power and fury against anyone that comes against him or his people.  What doesn't fit?  That the house of Israel will know that day, that God himself has delivered them from their enemies?  They will see with their own eyes and realise it's all true and worth it.  We are not talking about the old generation who witnessed the old wars, for they are long gone, but a new generation who has never seen anything like it.  They have to be taught also.

When Gog and his armies are destroyed, there remains another 7 years until all is finished.  As new children will be born inside and outside of the kingdom, and the rest who are growing older,.... they will all learn the whole history of Israel and it's purpose.  They will learn that Israel went into captivity "in the old days" because they sinned, and that God punished them to correct them, by putting them through the fire.  They will learn the history that there is a price for sin, for all, even for God's chosen people. No-one escapes. All this will be taught and reconfirmed for 7 years after that Gog and Magog war that all which was written was fulfilled.  God will be glorified through all that he's done.

 


 

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And at present, the Lord is not the physical defense of Israel today in the way you are trying to assert.  

No, I was referring it to the 1000 year timeframe, not now.  There will be no peace for Israel until Jesus returns. 

 

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So I don't accept the assertion trying to be made that Ezekiel 38-39 is talking about the end of the Messianic Kingdom 1000 years.

That's ok, you are free to make your own mind up.  Just giving my view.

 

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