johnthebaptist Posted January 17, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.32 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Margo1945 said: Adam was not deceived .. he willfully knowingly deliberately disobeyed God when he definitely knew not to .. Eve was deceived aka mislead and believed Satan .. Adam knew not to eat the fruit but did so deliberately which was worse than what Eve had done They both knew not to eat the fruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 18, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,644 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 5,830 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 10:53 PM, RogerDC said: It was a vision, not reality. Creatures that appear in visions are not evidence of real creatures. Are all the weird creatures described in Revelation real creatures? Well, I suppose you could just spiritualize anything out of existence citing prophetic metaphor imagery. Is it real? Or is it Memorex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 18, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,644 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 5,830 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 4:17 PM, johnthebaptist said: I think very few women who speak in church, do so to disrupt the church. You think... therefore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 18, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.32 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 18, 2020 18 hours ago, JohnD said: You think... therefore... People constantly have conversations in church, about their church work, their home life, world affairs, their kids, their health, their favorite food. Are you saying that every time a woman says something in church, she is plotting to overthrow the world? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 20, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,644 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 5,830 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 5:53 PM, johnthebaptist said: People constantly have conversations in church, about their church work, their home life, world affairs, their kids, their health, their favorite food. Are you saying that every time a woman says something in church, she is plotting to overthrow the world? You are asking MY opinion. Thought we were talking about the Apostle Paul's. And more to the point, that of the Holy Spirit who allowed Paul's opinion to be of canonical scripture. Good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted January 20, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 17 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,448 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,363 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/17/2020 at 11:18 AM, Margo1945 said: Adam was not deceived .. he willfully knowingly deliberately disobeyed God when he definitely knew not to .. Eve was deceived aka mislead and believed Satan .. Adam knew not to eat the fruit but did so deliberately which was worse than what Eve had done As you rightfully stated, Adam knew perfectly well and what the consequences would be. Adam was not tempted as Eve was, he made a choice and it had to be based on something. The following is not a statement but just a thought that occurred to me: Could it be: Adam loved Eve so much that he didn't want Eve to face the consequences and punishment alone? If so, it's apparent Adam chose Eve over God? Another thing that puzzles me? Their exact sin of disobeying God by eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil; and their punishments? When they partook of the forbidden fruit, why all of a sudden were they ashamed of their genital's and hid them? What was to be ashamed of? Why not cover up the offending organ, their mouths? Why was childbirth [procreation, sexual in nature] a punishment on Eve? Any thoughts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 20, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.32 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 hours ago, JohnD said: You are asking MY opinion. Thought we were talking about the Apostle Paul's. And more to the point, that of the Holy Spirit who allowed Paul's opinion to be of canonical scripture. Good day. Yes, I am asking your opinion. Isn't it our job to learn and understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jostler Posted January 20, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 25 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,679 Content Per Day: 1.40 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 16 Joined: 01/19/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted January 20, 2020 On 1/17/2020 at 9:09 AM, maryjayne said: No, Adam blamed God for creating Eve. I honestly think he managed to blame both in one sentence. He did refer to Eve..... 'the woman gave me and I did eat..." by inserting "the woman YOU gave to be with me, gave me the fruit and i did eat.." I really think he managed to kill two birds with one stone Quote Gen 3:12 ¶ Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.” It looks like there is "Eve made me do it" AND "If You hadn't given me this woman I wouldn't be in this situation" involved in Adam's attempt at self-defense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahampaul Posted January 21, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 431 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 263 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/31/1950 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) wrong entry Edited January 21, 2020 by grahampaul oops wrong post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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