CONDEMNED because of breaking the TEN Commandments!!! Seriously?

[bvthomas]

Lately, I heard a preacher asking an unbeliever; Have you ever broken any of God’s laws? 

What I don’t understand with this type of gospel preaching is that, first of all, there was never a law given to the Gentiles (I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came – Romans 7:9 – the law was enacted due to wickedness of man – Genesis – 6:5 – It was added because of transgressions – Galatians 3:19 – mind you, only to the Jewish nation was it applicable). About the Gentiles, the Bible says, that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world (Ephesians 2:12). And if we were without God, then the law had nothing to do with us. We know for sure who the people were that were under the law – the Jews!

Secondly, Bible clearly says that, by the offense of one (Adam) judgment came upon all men to condemnation (Romans 5:18). We are condemned not because we had broken the 10 commandments but due to the Adamic sin. And by the righteousness of one (Jesus Christ) the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life (Romans 5:18). For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous (Romans 5:19).

Also, the law entered, that the offense might abound (Romans 5:20) – and until the law sin was in the world (Romans 5:13). For without the law sin was dead (Romans 7:8) – when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died (Romans 7:9). The law was not given (to the Jews) that they could be made righteous but that the law could work as a schoolmaster that would bring them unto Christ – Galatians 3:24

Know that, Christ died, to redeem them that were under the law (Galatians 4:5/Romans 7:6). For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse (Galatians 3:10). So if the ten commandments could give life and keeping it would justify any then Christ died in vain and abolishing it was a mistake, wasn’t it? – 2Corinth 3:13/Eph 2:15.  For if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law (Galatians 3:21). If this be the case, how on earth is this sect telling an unbeliever that breaking of the commandment of God had put them in a condemned state? The life of man is already snuffed out by Adam’s transgression (in Adam all die – 1Cor 15:22/Acts 17:26); and everyone that are born after the flesh falls into the category of being condemned; and if the life of man, which is Christ – John 1:4/1John 5:11 – isn’t reinstalled in a person, that soul is said to be lost. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life -1John 5:12 – It’s that simple.

Now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested (Romans 3:21) – Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness (Romans 9:31) – so we see that, just keeping the ten commandments held no value as long as the heart of man remained unclean. The commandmends couldn’t change the heart of man. But the blood of the perfect Lamb of God is able to purge the evil conscience and can transform the vilest offender – Heb 9:14. It is then evident that the law was introduced to curb lawlessness -1Timothy 1:9,10. That at the end, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith (Philippians 3:9).

For if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain (Galatians 2:21) – And the commandments the Apostles gave us by the Lord Jesus now holds great value (1Thess 4:2). For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did (a better covenant – law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus – Rom 8:2 – a better covenant, which was established upon better promises – Hebrews 8:6-8); by the which we draw nigh unto God (Hebrews 7:19). And now, in this dispensation it is apt to say that, “Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God” (1 Corinthians 7:19) - Why? Because our spirit, which was dead in Adam got resuscitated in Christ. And the amalgamation of this revived spirit of man and the Spirit of Adoption - Rom 8:16 - will cause us to walk in the statutes of God - Ezekiel 36:27.

So, introducing people to "the life of man" which is Christ is the RIGHT way. For He is, THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE - John 14:6 - and THE RESURRECTION as well - John 11:25

 

 

 

 

 

[Firm Foundation]

There were laws given to the gentiles.  You find a few in Acts.  Don't fornicate, eat blood and things strangled, etc.  You find works of the flesh mentioned that will keep you out of heaven, like in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.  The point is that if we are Spirit led, we won't sin.

[bvthomas]

There, the Apostle Paul is talking to Corinthian believers, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God - Acts 15:19,20 - KJV.                         And my topic was not on sin!

[appy]

CONDEMNED because of breaking the TEN Commandments!!! Seriously?

 

2 hours ago, bvthomas said:

What I don’t understand with this type of gospel preaching is that, first of all, there was never a law given to the Gentiles

 

I am just commenting on the title of thread and the quoted part above.  Paul's primary audience in the book of roman's was primarily gentiles, but there was also Jews in Rome as well.  The first 5 chapters of the book of Roman's teaches that God has instilled the knowledge of himself, sin and the coming judgement into the hearts of ALL mankind. From Adam till today, so that none are without excuse.  People will not be held accountable for what they do not know, but for what has been revealed to them.  Not only did God hardwire all mankind with the knowledge of himself, but also the knowledge of right and wrong. The Jews who tried so hard to get right with God by following Moses laws had failed in keeping those laws , for it isn't possible for human's to keep God's laws perfectly. The Jews, who knew of God's written laws had shown that they were no different than the gentiles, in that all have sinned.  And is the reason Jesus came and died for all humans.

It is not possible to share the gospel with the unbelieving without also telling them why they are in need of a savior.  Unbelievers think of themselves as basically good people, but the bible tells us that ALL mankind has sinned.

Roman's 5 : 12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned--

Romans 2 : 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.

Roman's 1 : 5 – 7  Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake.  And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ. To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people:

Roman's 1: 18 – 21 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,  since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.  For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.  For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Romans 1: 28 – 32  Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.  They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,  slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;  they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.  Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Romans 2: 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;

Roman's 3 : 22 – 23   There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 

 

[existential mabel]

there is  evangelical school who is street based and have been active for a number of years now and they look at the fact that everyone when asked if they are a good person then goes onto explain about the 10 commandments...

just google Living waters they have lots of video's very interesting also they have a series called The Way Of The Master. which is very good. it explains more fully these two things as mentioned above

[missmuffet]

The OT law was given to Israel, not to Christians. None of the OT law is binding on Christians today. When Jesus Christ died on the cross, He put an end to the OT law. Today obeying Christ's commands that are in the Bible are what Christians are called to do. Follow Jesus Christ not the Old Testament. 

[LadyKay]

I didn't read through everything but from what I picked up, I think the point of asking a non-Christian if they have ever broken one of the ten commandments is to make the point that all have sin and need Jesus's forgiveness. In other words. We don't make it just by being a good person. Because no one is good meaning that we all have sin at some point in our lives. But ask people who are not Christians how do you get to heaven and they will answer by being good. So I think that was the point that was being made by asking if they have ever broken a commandment. To show that really, no one is good or good enough to go to heaven. But we get there by accepting Jesus and his grace. 

 

Edited January 13, 2020 by LadyKay

[missmuffet]

5 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

I didn't read through everything but from what I picked up, I think the point of asking a non-Christian if they have ever broken one of the ten commandments is to make the point that all have sin and need Jesus's forgiveness. In other words. We don't make it just by being a good person. Because no one is good meaning that we all have sin at some point in our lives. But ask people who are not Christians how do you get to heaven and they will answer by being good. So I think that was the point that was being made by asking if they have ever broken a commandment. To show that really, no one is good or good enough to go to heaven. But we get there by accepting Jesus and his grace. 

 

As humans we are sinners. We sin everyday without even realizing it. But we do not sin intentionally. We do not commit the same sins over and over again knowing that they are against what God wants us to do. We can not be disobedient to God. We pray daily and ask God for forgivness of our sins. We will not be perfect until we get to heaven and God knows that. 

[LadyKay]

16 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

As humans we are sinners. We sin everyday without even realizing it. But we do not sin intentionally. We do not commit the same sins over and over again knowing that they are against what God wants us to do. We can not be disobedient to God. We pray daily and ask God for forgivness of our sins. We will not be perfect until we get to heaven and God knows that. 

My comments was about addressing the reasoning behind  why the preacher would ask a non-Christian if they had ever broken a commandment.  

[Justin Adams]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

The OT law was given to Israel, not to Christians. None of the OT law is binding on Christians today. When Jesus Christ died on the cross, He put an end to the OT law. Today obeying Christ's commands that are in the Bible are what Christians are called to do. Follow Jesus Christ not the Old Testament. 

Yeshua wrote on tablets of stone the Law. He fulfilled it but did not do away with it. See the original Abrahamic covenant, it was God's promise to gather all nations in the fullness of time. The apostles just highlighted the Tanakh,they did not rewrite it.