Guest Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) In reading Genesis chapter 37 verses 12 to 36, i am struck at the appalling savage cruelty. Joseph's brothers plotting to kill him for being a pain. Surely it is rare for anyone to wish truly to murder their own brother, no matter how annoying. I have brothers and we have always got on each others nerves, in fact very seriously as adults - we do not hardly speak now. Our outlooks on life are so different, we disagree a lot and things are often very bad between us. Many harsh words. But - to even think of murder? To inflict such pain and mourning on our parents! The bond of blood reigns strong. In fact if anything or anyone outside the family threatens, then that bond takes over. What savagery exists in the Old Testament stories. That Joseph's brothers could cause such pain to their old father. I bet killing of brother or sister is a rare crime? Edited January 16, 2020 by Melinda12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 We see a kind of horrible crimes between families in our world today. It happened in the times of the OT as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 950 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,528 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,027 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Melinda12 said: I bet killing of brother or sister is a rare crime? Don't put what you can't afford to lose on that bet. Several come to my mind immediately, that I arranged the funerals for during my near twenty years in the funeral business. Always nasty stuff to contend with. Gee thanks for that. I was already having trouble sleeping. And in addition the absolute hatred that manifests itself within siblings at a funeral can be an amazing and dangerous happening. As one example I remember two brothers dueling it out in the long parking lot driveway in their Lincolns, it was demolition derby. Plus the oh too common event of mass murder suicide within a family where everyone is taken out. Nothing is beyond the capacity of humans when it comes to hate and cruelty. The old line from Tommy Smothers to his brother, "Mother always loved you best" was only funny because it hit upon a truth that so many live. Anyway don't bet that one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Melinda12 said: What savagery exists in the Old Testament stories. That Joseph's brothers could cause such pain to their old father. Yes, it's a stomach churning event isn't it, as young innocent Joseph comes by to find his brothers unaware. He is one of the early prophecies of the Messiah's life as in the same way, the Messiah's "brothers" plotted against Him for His blood. And, in the same way, they will be utterly shocked when they recognise Him as their King later. Love & Shalom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creativemechanic Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,273 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 518 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 As the bible says there stories are given for exanples to us. Joseph's story shows us what can happen if. 1) Parents blatantly favour one or some children over others. (As Jacob did with joseph) . It can stir hatred between siblings. 2)When we don't deal with negative emotions. Joseph's brothers didn't deal with their envy and it turned to a murderous hatred. That could happen to any of us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.89 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 27 minutes ago, creativemechanic said: As the bible says there stories are given for exanples to us. Joseph's story shows us what can happen if. 1) Parents blatantly favour one or some children over others. (As Jacob did with joseph) . It can stir hatred between siblings. 2)When we don't deal with negative emotions. Joseph's brothers didn't deal with their envy and it turned to a murderous hatred. That could happen to any of us. You guys never met my brother.......lol....He can really be a jerk.....a BIG jerk....I wish him no ill-will.....I just wish he would move to Antarctica ....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adstar Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 75 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,399 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,307 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, creativemechanic said: As the bible says there stories are given for exanples to us. Joseph's story shows us what can happen if. 1) Parents blatantly favour one or some children over others. (As Jacob did with joseph) . It can stir hatred between siblings. Vert true indeed.. When a parent plays favorites they can set up a very nasty rivalry between siblings.. When kids believe their parent loves a sibling more then them it sets up a deadly competition with siblings trying to tear each other down in a desperate attempt to rise up the pecking order of their parents love.. Once this toxic state of affairs is set in motion it has a life of it's own that only grows in animosity and hate as the years go by.. If you are a parent or soon to become one never allow this state of affairs to develop.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equippers Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 1,214 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 1,163 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/28/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Melinda12 said: In reading Genesis chapter 37 verses 12 to 36, i am struck at the appalling savage cruelty. Joseph's brothers plotting to kill him for being a pain. Surely it is rare for anyone to wish truly to murder their own brother, no matter how annoying. I have brothers and we have always got on each others nerves, in fact very seriously as adults - we do not hardly speak now. Our outlooks on life are so different, we disagree a lot and things are often very bad between us. Many harsh words. But - to even think of murder? To inflict such pain and mourning on our parents! The bond of blood reigns strong. In fact if anything or anyone outside the family threatens, then that bond takes over. What savagery exists in the Old Testament stories. That Joseph's brothers could cause such pain to their old father. I bet killing of brother or sister is a rare crime? i think in Joseph's case, there was jealousy involved. He was their father's favourite, and Joseph was foolish enough to tell his brothers that he had a dream that one day they will all bow down to him. i suspect the jealousy had been brewing for a long long time, until it finally boiled over. never underestimate the potential destruction power of jealousy, especially long term jealousy. so it is not just Joseph was annoying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firm Foundation Posted January 16, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 4 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,280 Content Per Day: 1.24 Reputation: 854 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2020 Jealousy has been responsible for a lot of murders, including the first murder, which was also ones own brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Neighbor said: Don't put what you can't afford to lose on that bet. Several come to my mind immediately, that I arranged the funerals for during my near twenty years in the funeral business. Always nasty stuff to contend with. Gee thanks for that. I was already having trouble sleeping. And in addition the absolute hatred that manifests itself within siblings at a funeral can be an amazing and dangerous happening. As one example I remember two brothers dueling it out in the long parking lot driveway in their Lincolns, it was demolition derby. Plus the oh too common event of mass murder suicide within a family where everyone is taken out. Nothing is beyond the capacity of humans when it comes to hate and cruelty. The old line from Tommy Smothers to his brother, "Mother always loved you best" was only funny because it hit upon a truth that so many live. Anyway don't bet that one. Wow! I just thought surely it has to be rare. Sibling rivalry sure is very prevalent, certainly in my family. But actually physically harming is so awful to contemplate. I have a fault in me, i gi around assuming people are decent and most are good. I am idealistic and naive. I don't want to be cynical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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