Brother Notlad Posted January 17, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 40 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2020 As Christians, living a holy (Hebrews 12:14) and separated life (2 Corinthians 6:17) is commanded by Christ and the Word. In saying that, holiness is one of the most debated things among Christians today. What the Word deems as holy and gives us scriptural references for, many today render legalistic or bondage. Holiness is needed in this hour we live in. I believe that holiness starts inward for a new Christian, and once said individual is obedient to convictions and the Bible, that inner holiness will have no choice but to reflect in outward chances. These outer changes will bring a Christian closer to Biblical modesty and holiness, coupled with personal convictions that won't deviate from the Word of God. It's not legalism. It's holiness. What say you? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 17, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, Brother Notlad said: As Christians, living a holy (Hebrews 12:14) and separated life (2 Corinthians 6:17) is commanded by Christ and the Word. In saying that, holiness is one of the most debated things among Christians today. What the Word deems as holy and gives us scriptural references for, many today render legalistic or bondage. Holiness is needed in this hour we live in. I believe that holiness starts inward for a new Christian, and once said individual is obedient to convictions and the Bible, that inner holiness will have no choice but to reflect in outward chances. These outer changes will bring a Christian closer to Biblical modesty and holiness, coupled with personal convictions that won't deviate from the Word of God. It's not legalism. It's holiness. What say you? I say holiness begins with keeping sinful thoughts out of our head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Notlad Posted January 17, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 40 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said: I say holiness begins with keeping sinful thoughts out of our head. I would agree, somewhat. I believe holiness starts with issues of one's heart. What's in the heart will come out, either physically, emotionally, verbally, or in our dress. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnthebaptist Posted January 17, 2020 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 6 Topic Count: 118 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 4,361 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 2,109 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/03/1953 Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Brother Notlad said: I would agree, somewhat. I believe holiness starts with issues of one's heart. What's in the heart will come out, either physically, emotionally, verbally, or in our dress. Yes, I would think so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 17, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,989 Topics Per Day: 0.49 Content Count: 48,687 Content Per Day: 11.89 Reputation: 30,342 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2020 As believers we need to be living a life by God's standards, not the world's. Holiness results from having the right relationship with God. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Notlad Posted January 17, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 40 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, missmuffet said: As believers we need to be living a life by God's standards, not the world's. Holiness results from having the right relationship with God. You're so very right. We are to live by God's holy standard. Once we're obedient to the Scriptures, we'll align with what they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted January 18, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,204 Content Per Day: 3.35 Reputation: 16,629 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2020 Some of the things people used to gauge holiness back in the 50s were called the "don'ts". Don't smoke, don't chew tobacco, don't drink alcohol, don't play cards, don't go to movies (but TV is OK), don't dance, don't wear sleeveless clothes etc. I agree with you. It is a matter of a changed heart. Usually God can see these changes even though they are not the action people look for. Even becoming saddened by things happening in the world can reveal hearts: like the hatefulness and intolerance being taught in colleges and universities toward Christians and Jews, or toward conservatives, or toward obesity, or the hatred practiced by political activists, all these things are separating us from the world. We are further separated if we respond to them in a godly manner with compassion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Notlad Posted January 21, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 40 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 12:48 AM, Willa said: Some of the things people used to gauge holiness back in the 50s were called the "don'ts". Don't smoke, don't chew tobacco, don't drink alcohol, don't play cards, don't go to movies (but TV is OK), don't dance, don't wear sleeveless clothes etc. I agree with you. It is a matter of a changed heart. Usually God can see these changes even though they are not the action people look for. Even becoming saddened by things happening in the world can reveal hearts: like the hatefulness and intolerance being taught in colleges and universities toward Christians and Jews, or toward conservatives, or toward obesity, or the hatred practiced by political activists, all these things are separating us from the world. We are further separated if we respond to them in a godly manner with compassion. If those changes genuinely take place inwardly, however, it can't help but to show up on the exterior as well. Biblical principles will come into practice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Notlad Posted January 21, 2020 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 40 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 15 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/02/2019 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 Usually Christians quote the scripture where it's said that Christ looks at the heart, while man looks at the outer appearance (1 Samuel 16:7). They generally use it to justify worldly attire, amusements, and other fleshly activities, but that isn't what this verse points toward. The verse tells us that "the Lord seeth not as man seeth" because "man looketh on the outward appearance," while "the Lord looketh on the heart." That sounds as if we are to solely concern ourselves with God's opinions. In part, that's true. At the end of the day, the opinion God has of us will be the deciding factor on our salvation, but while we're still here in the flesh, we are called to be witnesses and a set-aside, holy people shining the Lord's light. How can we do that dressed and behaving as the world? We can't. Notice the verse says that men look at the outward appearance. Because that's said, we know that there is a outer appearance for a Christian man and woman, that signifies to people that said individual is saved. Yes, Christ looking at the heart sees the secrets and intentions of a man. If the outside is right, but the inside is wrong, guess what? It's all for nothing. It's in vain. There are multiple scriptures throughout the Word that deals with an Christian's outward attire. If it were not important, why is it there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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