JohnD Posted January 20, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 20, 2020 The day is to honor the man (imperfect as he was and we all are) as a [CHRISTIAN] leader in the civil rights movement. Most Christians are go along, milk toast, keep politics out of the pulpit, puppets for the humanist (therefore satanist) liberals... (Jesus equated humanism with satanism read it for yourself Matthew 16:13-23)... It was a sad day that the 501 c 3 tax exempt status for Churches passed into law. It was in effect a power grab over the pulpits of this land (those who wanted to keep their tax exempt status, that is). And the longer I live the more I see all denominations as businesses. Case in point: An established local decided my rejection of her advances was offensive (especially when I set her straight about the matter in a public setting). She went to the pastor of the Church we all attended. When he would not excommunicate me (which he had no grounds to do) she boycotted the Church. Her family is prominent and when she left along with as many family and friends as she could convince to go, the Southern Baptist Denomination responded several months later when the $$$ money $$$ dried up. This SB Church was always in the black under this dedicated man who pastored the Church for decades. If a bus was needed or a building, they never had to go in debt or plead for money. It was always pre-funded. The Pastor himself was well past retirement age and qualifications... he stayed on because the congregation loved him, he loved them, and the town in which we all live... plus he loved his work. The SB leaders gave him two choices... retire or be terminated. Hell of a thing for him to face at the end of a very faithful career to Christ. He chose to retire and move to another place where a job opening had been waiting for him to accept for years. They told him they would have his replacement as soon as possible, but he told them he was retiring ion 30 days. "You would put the Church in interim pastor status..." He replied, "No. You did." That was some 4 - 5 years ago. The Southern Baptist Church in town has been in interim pastor status almost the entire time (with a brief break in a young pastor the old timers in the congregation quickly oustered. Another retired pastor fill the billet for a long time and as I understand accepted the job permanently... but fell ill on a mission trip to Malaysia. We have not attended in years. We were never members there, only guests. When the boycott began, my beloved wife had her hip problems (eventual replacement) and we were unable to attend anyway because she could not even sit on the pews at the time. So it was all for NOTHING! I learned a lesson about denominations decades ago (while attending a local extension of the Southern Baptist Seminary) man runs the denominations with his traditions and interpolations of scripture. Not just the Southern Baptists. All of them. They may start out as "non-denominational" like the Calvary Chapel Movement... but humanism always creeps in and wins out. In seminary I learned by the monthly newsletter in the break room that the local congregations were all held to a financial quota system and they had no qualm over publishing which were not giving up to what was expected. Echoing that... in our local church at the time (a million miles and years from here) in Sunday school a financial expert was dispatched to lead a class one morning... his topic: getting people on the Sunday school roll... to get saved? No. to get a deeper understanding of God through Christian education? No. To get them to tithe. I kid you not. It seems statistically Sunday school attendees are more likely to tithe. More recently we only attended the Baptist Church because we found we had to hold our spiritual noses the least there considering the only other alternatives... and the oustered pastor was a very gifted speaker and a sincere man of God who often parted with SBC platform planks and was about getting people saved and edified. What has all of this to do with Martin Luthor King Jr.? Christianity, in the name of turn the other cheek, has been turned into a doormat faith of sheep following wolves in sheeps clothing leaders (most way above the local leadership so don't go after your local pastor... he or she is just as beleaguered by all of this as you are PLUS they are burdened with shouldering the spiritual responsibilities and duties passed on to them by a do-less do-nothing congregation that only wants to throw up their hands and sing and get get get all they can.... Lord don't get me started... Jesus Christ himself is a revolutionary. That was what irked the status quo *the Sanhedrin) the most about him. The world is and always has been hell bound (since Eden). Jesus Christ is about changing that for individuals. Revolution! You want a name for the Bible (which simply means "book") ? Revolution! When the Church began (under Constantine) to become the get along religion... we lost our soul. Woe to you the scripture says when the world (men) speaks well of you. The world is at enmity with God. That hasn't changed. Martin Luthor King Jr. did not see Christianity as the get along religion... The popular belief among people is that the Islamic religion is the only revolutionary religion on the planet... or that you have to follow Gandhi for a peaceful version of revolution / defiance of the way humanity is diving headlong into hell... No. Christ alone can save us from hell. And to effect change in this life, the most effective is to change the world one heart at a time through love and peaceful defiance and demonstration... with a dogmatic refusal to back down... And a willingness to pay the price. That's Martin Luthor King Jr.'s legacy to a tee. He and others he joined with set out to change injustice in the world. My point here is Christians today can't be bothered to change injustice in our own Christian house. So sad. God bless Christian people like Martin Luthor King Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted January 20, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,565 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,045 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, JohnD said: Most Christians are go along, milk toast, keep politics out of the pulpit, puppets for the humanist (therefore satanist) liberals... Whoa, that's quite the supposition. Seems an errant one to this Christian. Nothing could be further from what I know of about Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted January 20, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted January 20, 2020 I thought this was about martin luther king not a tirade against the church 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 21, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Neighbor said: Whoa, that's quite the supposition. Seems an errant one to this Christian. Nothing could be further from what I know of about Christians. Okay. When's the last time you heard a sermon about Trump being God's man in the Whitehouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted January 21, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,565 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,045 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted January 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, JohnD said: Okay. When's the last time you heard a sermon about Trump being God's man in the Whitehouse? God uses all presidents all leaders of all governments. He has placed them all, evil and good alike. Trump is a terrible terrible terrible individual. Always has been! It is just he was better than a terrible terrible terrible Hilary Rodham-Clinton. Trump is not God's plan of salvation for the USA. He is just another in a too long line of awful people we have had to suffer for reasons known perhaps only to God. ps if I heard my pastors and elders trumpeting the likes of Trump I would find myself a new local body of Christ immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted January 21, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,565 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,045 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Martin Luthor King Jr. Day He was something special . He knew it, he lived it. I didn't appreciate it at the time. Sorry that I was so ignorant back then. I just had no real knowledge of man's hatred for other men especially for their skin tone and culture. His presentations are worth a read, and a re-read. He is today a blessing on my own life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 21, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Neighbor said: God uses all presidents all leaders of all governments. He has placed them all, evil and good alike. Trump is a terrible terrible terrible individual. Always has been! It is just he was better than a terrible terrible terrible Hilary Rodham-Clinton. Trump is not God's plan of salvation for the USA. He is just another in a too long line of awful people we have had to suffer for reasons known perhaps only to God. ps if I heard my pastors and elders trumpeting the likes of Trump I would find myself a new local body of Christ immediately. King David was an adulterer and murderer. Moses murdered an Egyptian. Kennedy had numerous affairs in the Whitehouse. FDR did too. Nixon, both Bushes, Clinton... 'nuff said. The pastors you mentioned... The late Dr J. Vernon McGee used to quip... "You folks think you know me... but all you ever see of me i a head and a pair of hands.... If you knew me, the way God knows me, you would never even listen to me. But, now, hold on! If I knew you, the way that God knows you, I wouldn't even speak to you!" You say God uses all kinds of people (as I have just listed)... even people like me even people like you... When you said Trump was not the salvation of America you came closest to diagnosing your own prejudice... we are not looking for a Messiah in the President. You apparently are. ONLY Jesus is the Messiah / Savior. All we can ever hope for in this world with anyone or anything else is the lesser evil. You yourself said as much without realizing it that terrible Trump is the lesser evil than even more terrible Hilary. You revealed your own prejudice / seeking for a Messianic President here: "ps if I heard my pastors and elders trumpeting the likes of Trump I would find myself a new local body of Christ immediately" Could we start listing the good things Donald J Trump has done? To off set the statement how terrible terrible terrible (in Gomer Pyle voice tee hee) he is... ? His effect on the American economy, security... including in the Hispanic and African American communities speaks for itself. The deescalation of the Iranian situation (with any other President beside Trump or Reagan they would drag it out, take hostages, foment terror the world over, sucker appeasing Presidents like Obama into appeasing them and even supplying them with terrorist moneys)... But that would drive you away from my congregation if I were pastor... wouldn't it? Had my say. Had enough of yours. Be blessed. Be well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted January 21, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,565 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,045 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, JohnD said: When you said Trump was not the salvation of America you came closest to diagnosing your own prejudice... we are not looking for a Messiah in the President. You apparently are. Oh boy, silly is all I can state. Take care may God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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