kenny2212 Posted January 21, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 359 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 101 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 Thess. 2:1 - Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him... Guys, I have a question... Is the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ stated in this passage - 1. His coming at the rapture? Or 2. His second coming? (Rev. 19:11-21). Support your answers with scripture where possible. God bless us all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 21, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,989 Topics Per Day: 0.49 Content Count: 48,687 Content Per Day: 11.89 Reputation: 30,342 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, kenny2212 said: 2 Thess. 2:1 - Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him... Guys, I have a question... Is the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ stated in this passage - 1. His coming at the rapture? Or 2. His second coming? (Rev. 19:11-21). Support your answers with scripture where possible. God bless us all! I believe it refers to the rapture of the Church. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny2212 Posted January 21, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 359 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 101 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, missmuffet said: I believe it refers to the rapture of the Church. I think... if it's the rapture then we are not going to have an Antichrist for the tribulation because it says in the same chapter; verse 8 that the Antichrist would be destroyed by the brightness of Jesus' coming. Do you see what I'm saying? God bless us all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Man Posted January 22, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,042 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 546 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, kenny2212 said: I think... if it's the rapture then we are not going to have an Antichrist for the tribulation because it says in the same chapter; verse 8 that the Antichrist would be destroyed by the brightness of Jesus' coming. Do you see what I'm saying? God bless us all! The Rapture of the Church means the Church AVOIDS the Tribulation week. We go to marry the Lamb and just like the Jewish Bridegroom and Bride we stay in the Father's house {Heaven} 7 days {7 years}, then we go to the Marriage Supper {which is Armageddon back on earth}. The words FALLING AWAY were translated DEPARTURE in the first 7 English bibles, not FALLING AWAY. Thus the Church must needs DEPARTS before the Day of God's Wrath AND the Anti-Christ {Man of sin} also must shows up BEFORE the Day of Gods Wrath kicks off at the 6th Seal. Edited January 22, 2020 by Revelation Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted January 22, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 17 Topic Count: 344 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,395 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,321 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22, 2020 6 hours ago, kenny2212 said: 2 Thess. 2:1 - Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him... Guys, I have a question... Is the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ stated in this passage - 1. His coming at the rapture? Or 2. His second coming? (Rev. 19:11-21). Support your answers with scripture where possible. God bless us all! Taken in context: Yes, this is talking about the Greek word 'harpazo', in which Jerome translated into the Latin word 'Raptio' [where we get our English word rapture], in the Latin Vulgate. In the books of 1st & 2nd Thessalonians, Paul had to write them twice because. The Thessalonians were receiving false doctrine and false teachers [Antichrists] and had to correct them. In addition, some of the brethren were starting to die [sleep], and they wanted to know the status of them and themselves about the Rapture. 2 Thessalonians 2:1 (KJV) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ [insert 1 Thessalonians 4: 17 here], and by our gathering together unto him, [comment and emphasis added]. 1 Thessalonians 4:18 (KJV) Wherefore comfort one another with these words. First Thessalonians also speaks about the Rapture. The second coming of Jesus will be at the end of the seven year tribulation [an unprecedented horrific time never seen before], His second coming is with us, His bride. How can anyone 'comfort one another' knowing or thinking they will be subject to going through the most horrific time ever in history, the seven year tribulation. So definitely yes! 2 Thess. 2:1 is no doubt talking about the Rapture, and gathering together in the clouds to be with our Lord and Savior Jesus for all of eternity/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 22, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,989 Topics Per Day: 0.49 Content Count: 48,687 Content Per Day: 11.89 Reputation: 30,342 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22, 2020 5 hours ago, kenny2212 said: I think... if it's the rapture then we are not going to have an Antichrist for the tribulation because it says in the same chapter; verse 8 that the Antichrist would be destroyed by the brightness of Jesus' coming. Do you see what I'm saying? God bless us all! After the rapture of the Church the 7 year tribulation will come upon this earth. The Antichrist will be revealed at that time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted January 22, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,600 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,355 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22, 2020 12 hours ago, kenny2212 said: I think... if it's the rapture then we are not going to have an Antichrist for the tribulation because it says in the same chapter; verse 8 that the Antichrist would be destroyed by the brightness of Jesus' coming. Do you see what I'm saying? God bless us all! Great point. Hadn't noticed that before you brought it up. So then the antichrist has to be on the scene when this supposed pretrib rapture occurs since he's destroyed when Jesus comes, which is what Paul is saying in verse 1, "...concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus and our gathering to Him..." Excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revelation Man Posted January 22, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,042 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 546 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Diaste said: Great point. Hadn't noticed that before you brought it up. So then the antichrist has to be on the scene when this supposed pretrib rapture occurs since he's destroyed when Jesus comes, which is what Paul is saying in verse 1, "...concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus and our gathering to Him..." Excellent. When he comes to DESTROY the Beast, which is at the Second Coming which really isn't the Second Coming anyway, that is just a MONIKER, Jesus returned 2000 years or so ago after he offered the Sacrifice in Heaven once and for all. Claiming the Rapture is the Second Coming is not even a rational argument. Edited January 22, 2020 by Revelation Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny2212 Posted January 22, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 359 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 101 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 What I'm trying to say - I don't think Jesus' coming stated in 2 Thess. 2:1 is the rapture. Why? Because in the 8th verse of the same chapter, it says that the Antichrist is destroyed at the coming of Jesus. If the Antichrist is destroyed at the rapture, who would be the Antichrist in the final 7 years? And Paul talks about only ONE coming in his letters. God bless us all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted January 22, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,600 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,355 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Revelation Man said: When he comes to DESTROY the Beast, which is at the Second Coming which really isn't the Second Coming anyway, that is just a MONIKER, Jesus returned 2000 after he offered the Sacrifice in Heaven once and for all. Claiming the Rapture is the Second Coming is not even a rational argument. Since the pretrib rapture does not exist you are correct. But I think you should reread your post above, slowly, several times. Then relate it to rational thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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