What do you say to atheists that claim religion has compelled...

[Guest K9Buck]

...the killing of more people than anything else in human history?

This is what I tell them.  

Atheists such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the North Korean trifecta, Castro, etc., etc., etc. murdered approximately 70 MILLION.  Religious terrorists could have only dreamed of killing that many.  Oceans of blood and mountains of dead bodies, that was atheism's gift to humanity in the 20th century.  

 

[A Christian 1985]

By the time that Jesus came, the Jewish religion had lost sight of the living God of which it was but a picture and had degraded to the extent of carnalizing spiritual things: They had lost an actual, living contact with God and had degraded into an organized, systematized religion based on knowledge, practices, and works. They even had turned the brass serpent, a type of Christ through which God had wrought a miraculous work, into an idol and were worshiping it as if it had special powers of itself. This is a good illustration of what, spiritually, is an idol and what it does. Any previous genuine spiritual experience can become an idol to us if we let it. Thus, there are many genuine believers today who, in looking back on their initial regeneration experience, never learn to walk in the Spirit daily.

 

 In this section I must implore you, the reader, to set aside your natural concepts. I must re-emphasize that such concepts will lead you to consider good as always being from God, causing you to be fooled by Satan's master work. If you want to see things from the spiritual point of view‑ the reality behind the outward appearance‑ you must lay aside personal opinion in order to have an open mind, especially in the subject that we will now consider. All that I ask is that your evaluation of what I have to say be objective, rational, and honest. It is not my intention to criticize any individuals or to question their sincerity‑ that is between them and the Lord‑ but it is necessary that I expose certain categories of people, so if the shoe fits so be it.

 

Having drifted away from the reality found only in their spirit, the believers more and more began substituting man‑made organization for the leading of the Spirit. By this time, the works of the Nicolaitans had become an accepted teaching; those with more natural ability were paid to function while the rest of the members listened and did not function. Again, I don’t ask you to take my word in this. Scofield’s Study Bible concisely points out that the practice of the Nicolaitans, which the Lord condemns, is the clergy-laity system. This is the clergy‑laity system and its true purpose is to kill the functioning of the members of the body.

In 2008, a survey revealed that 47% of the clergy in Christianity reported having a problem with pornography. Another survey reported that only 25% of them believed that the Bible was the literal inspired word of God.

Idolatry began to creep into the church at this point, and fornication also. What is this fornication? Is it literal or spiritual? From the context here as elsewhere in Revelation this fornication was a spiritual fornication. We shall see what its significance is later.

 

 

Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and device or man. (Acts 17:29)

 

Hear ye the word which Jehovah speaketh unto you, 0 house of Israel: thus saith Jehovah, Learn not the way of the nations (heathen) and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the nations are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vanity; for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman with the axe, They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are like a palm tree, of turned work, and speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither is it in them to do good. (Jer. 10:1‑6)

 

Is this a 'Christmas tree'? If not, then what?

 

 

Thus the very customs of Christmas still existent cast surprising light at once on the revelations of grace made to all the earth, and the effects made by Satan and his emissaries to materialize, carnalize, and degrade them. ²⁶⁶

 

This would have been contrary to the famous advice of Pope Gregory I., that by all means they should meet the Pagans half‑way, and so bring them into the Roman Church .²⁶⁷

 

To conciliate the Pagans to nominal Christianity, Rome, pursuing its usual policy, took measures to get the Christian and Pagan festivals amalgamated, and by a complicated but skillful adjustment of the calendar, it was found no difficult matter, in general, to get Paganism and Christianity‑ now far sunk in idolatry‑ in this as in so many other things, to shake hands.  ²⁶⁸

 

How, then did the Romish Church fix on December the 25th as Christmas day? Why, thus: Long before the fourth century, and long before the Christian era itself, a festival was celebrated among the heathen, at that precise time of the year, in honor of the birth of the son of the Babylonian queen of heaven; and it may fairly be presumed that, in order to conciliate the heathen, and to swell the number of the nominal adherents of Christianity, the same festival was adopted by the Roman Church, giving it only the name of Christ. ²⁶⁹

 

            Then look at Easter. What means the term Easter itself? It is not a Christian name. It bears its Chaldean origin on its very forehead. Easter is nothing else than Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven, whose name, as pronounced by the people of Nineveh, was evidently identical with that now in common use in this country. That name, as found by Layard on the Assyrian Monuments, is Ishtar. ²⁷⁰

 

The same sign of the cross that Rome now worships was used in the Babylonian Mysteries, was applied by Paganism to the same magic purposes, was honoured with the same honours. That which is now called the Christian cross was originally no Christian emblem at all, but was the mystic Tau of the Chaldeans and Egyptians- the true original form of the letter T- the initial of the name of Tammuz. ²⁸⁴

 

The drift of this statement is evidently this, that in Egypt the earliest form of that which has since been called the cross, was no other than the "Crux Ansata," or "Sign of life," borne by Osiris and all the Egyptian gods; that the ansa or "handle" was afterwards dispensed with, and that it became the simple Tau, or ordinary cross, as it appears at this day, and that the design of its first employment on the sepulchers, therefore, could have no reference to a crucifixion of the Nazarene, but was simply the result of the attachment to old and long‑cherished Pagan symbols, which is always strong in those who, with the adoption of a Christian name and profession, are still, to a large extent, Pagan in heart and feeling. This, and this only, is the origin of the worship of the "cross”. ²⁸⁵

 

... And ye have made void the word of God because of your tradition. (Matt. 15:6)

 

But in giving you this charge, I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that divisions exist among you ... (I Cor. 11:17‑18)

 

 

Remember the principles of the tower of Babel: scattering, division, confusion, and self‑ambition. In today's Babylon it is the same: Scattering: you meet at your "place of worship" and I'll meet at mine; Division: if your "place" is not the same as my "place," then we cannot have true oneness with each other; Confusion: your "place" has different doctrines and practices than mine, we each do not understand the other's doctrines and practices, self‑ambition: no different from the world, the desire to make a name for oneself by doing great works.

 

 

‘Church’ is arguably the most abused and misunderstood word in the English language. It is certainly NOT a funny-looking building, nor even an assembly of people meeting in unison. "The church, which is His Body"- (Eph. 1:22-23). ‘Attend the church of your choice’ is a Satanically-motivated invitation to commit rebellion, and is totally in opposition to holding the one accord to keep the oneness of the Spirit.

God is not a God of confusion. Be honest‑ does Christianity express Christ or does it express confusion? Does a non‑Christian see the expres­sion of the living Christ or do they see a religious system as confusing as it is divided? Satan is not stupid, he knows the rules of warfare- ‘Divide in order to conquer”. There is a material system to trap unbelievers and there is a religious system to trap believers‑ both are in Satan's World System and under his control. Babylon, the mother of Harlots, is the Roman Catholic Church and her daughters are the divisions (both denominational and “non-denominational”) of Protestantism.

 

 

[R. Hartono]

Its true that some people hv created fake religions which commanded its believers to kill the unbelievers n caused much bloodshed n its also true some people hv abused christianity for power such as the inquisition.

However our duty is to pray n love unbelievers, its the duty of Holy Spirit who opens people's hearts.

We were also an unbeliever with many reasons n background before we repent. Just sow the Word n let Holy Spirit grows faith.

Edited June 4, 2020 by R. Hartono

[Who me]

On 1/24/2020 at 1:23 AM, Guest K9Buck said:

...the killing of more people than anything else in human history?

 

Ask them two questions:-

     Why do they believe that?

 

    What evidence do they have for that belief?

 

Just like there is evidence that politics has caused most wars in history, so there is no evidence for this claim.

[Daniel Marsh]

Ask them if I was holding a gun on them would they become genuine Muslim?

[RonaldBruno]

On 1/23/2020 at 7:23 PM, Guest K9Buck said:

...the killing of more people than anything else in human history?

This is what I tell them.  

Atheists such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the North Korean trifecta, Castro, etc., etc., etc. murdered approximately 70 MILLION.  Religious terrorists could have only dreamed of killing that many.  Oceans of blood and mountains of dead bodies, that was atheism's gift to humanity in the 20th century.  

 

I'm afraid the atheists are confused, religion has not killed more people than anything else.

And of course we need to first define religion: Man's way to reach God. And lets diferentuate  all religions from Chrisitianity by defining it: God's way of reaching man through Christ.

God is sovereign, He controls everything and so that follows that he allows evil and also judges man. He gives life and takes it away.

So we can say that God allowed every death for a purpose.

While you are tallying numbers of evil rulers, let's admit God has them the largest numbers.

There were more people on the earth during the Flood. Some estimates are as much as 750 million. And btw,  He will probably kill 5 billion during the Great Tribulation period. Every death is under His control, including atheists. They do not have a clue with how merciful God has been to them, He's patience.

[missmuffet]

On 1/23/2020 at 5:23 PM, Guest K9Buck said:

...the killing of more people than anything else in human history?

This is what I tell them.  

Atheists such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the North Korean trifecta, Castro, etc., etc., etc. murdered approximately 70 MILLION.  Religious terrorists could have only dreamed of killing that many.  Oceans of blood and mountains of dead bodies, that was atheism's gift to humanity in the 20th century.  

 

I don't tell the atheists anything. They have made a choice to spend eternity in hell. I do pray that their heart will be opened up to come to Jesus Christ. 

Edited June 23, 2020 by missmuffet

[Andy Maleh]

On 1/23/2020 at 8:23 PM, Guest K9Buck said:

...the killing of more people than anything else in human history?

This is what I tell them.  

Atheists such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, the North Korean trifecta, Castro, etc., etc., etc. murdered approximately 70 MILLION.  Religious terrorists could have only dreamed of killing that many.  Oceans of blood and mountains of dead bodies, that was atheism's gift to humanity in the 20th century.  

 

I tell them: “God decides who dies and who stays alive regardless of whether you believe in him or not. As such, killing is completely besides the point of religion.”

[Hawkins]

On 1/23/2020 at 8:23 PM, Guest K9Buck said:

murdered approximately 70 MILLION

What?

In the past several hundred years, there are approximately 100 million Chinese killed with a secular cause, as a result of rebellion directly or indirectly. There are approximately 30 mil. casualty in a all Chinese supported establishment of today's red China. Chinese fought with a 30 mil casualty (including those died during the Japanese invasion which is a result of China's own civil war) in order to form the communist government. Secular people are rebellious and stupid. They tend to kill each other for no good cause and more often no reason at all.

Edited June 25, 2020 by Hawkins