THE DAY OF THE LORD AND THE CHURCH

[douge]

1 Thessalonians 5:2 KJV - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Paul is speaking about the day of the Lord, a day of wrath: Zephaniah 1:15 KJV - That day [is] a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,

1 Thessalonians 5:3 KJV - For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Paul is writing to the church of the Thessalonians: 1 Thessalonians 1:1 KJV - Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians [which is] in God the Father and [in] the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace [be] unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Those who Paul is speaking of as being "they and them" in 1 Thessalonians 5:3 are not the church.

1 Thessalonians 5:4 KJV - But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Here in 1 Thessalonians 5:4 and 5:9, the church is being spoken of.

Paul said in verse 2 that the day of the Lord would come as in the night, but the church was not in the darkness of night, and therefore, would not endure that judgment: 1 Thessalonians 5:2 KJV - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 KJV - For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

The day of the Lord is a day of wrath, the church is not appointed to wrath; the church will not face the day of the Lord.

The tribulation period is also a period of wrath: Luke 21:23 KJV - But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

The church will be caught up before the day of the Lord and the tribulation: 1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV - Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

[Gary Loger]

Matthew 24

30.Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 

31. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

This is when the rapture/catching up takes place. Right in between the end of the tribulation period and the coming of Christ. 

 

 

2 Timothy 2

 4. No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier.

 

Revelation 18

4. And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 

 

James 1

27. Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

 

 

These verses indicate we can be in the world but not of the world. 

The gospel isn't about escaping the tribulation. It's about having the faith to endure to the end. It's about trusting the word of God, the scriptures. He said He would keep us from the coming wrath. He never said anything about taking us off the planet before the bad stuff starts. For some people around the world the bad stuff started a long time ago.

If the gospel is about physically escaping the tribulation, the rapture should have occurred just before the first beheading. 

 

Just a thought...

 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Gary Loger said:

Matthew 24

30.Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 

31. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

This is when the rapture/catching up takes place. Right in between the end of the tribulation period and the coming of Christ. 

 

 

2 Timothy 2

 4. No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier.

 

Revelation 18

4. And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 

 

James 1

27. Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

 

 

These verses indicate we can be in the world but not of the world. 

The gospel isn't about escaping the tribulation. It's about having the faith to endure to the end. It's about trusting the word of God, the scriptures. He said He would keep us from the coming wrath. He never said anything about taking us off the planet before the bad stuff starts. For some people around the world the bad stuff started a long time ago.

If the gospel is about physically escaping the tribulation, the rapture should have occurred just before the first beheading. 

 

Just a thought...

 

Here's a question -  There is a war going on in heaven before Satan is kicked out.  So does Christ come to get this pre trib  church to go fight the war there?  Or does Christ follow Satan after he is kicked out, so the church doesn't fight the war there nor have tribulation here?  Why would Christ come for some who have left thy first love while leaving some to be tried; and have tribulation ten days be and faithful unto death?  Is that just?

 I liked your thought

[Gary Loger]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Here's a question -  There is a war going on in heaven before Satan is kicked out.  So does Christ come to get this pre trib  church to go fight the war there?  Or does Christ follow Satan after he is kicked out, so the church doesn't fight the war there nor have tribulation here?  Why would Christ come for some who have left thy first love while leaving some to be tried; and have tribulation ten days be and faithful unto death?  Is that just?

 I liked your thought

You need to ask the OP. I'm not a part of the pre-trib rapture crowd.

[Justin Adams]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Here's a question -  There is a war going on in heaven before Satan is kicked out.  So does Christ come to get this pre trib  church to go fight the war there?  Or does Christ follow Satan after he is kicked out, so the church doesn't fight the war there nor have tribulation here?  Why would Christ come for some who have left thy first love while leaving some to be tried; and have tribulation ten days be and faithful unto death?  Is that just?

 I liked your thought

The war in the heaven was seen when Yeshua was born. He even said that He saw satan fall like lightening from heaven. The cross disarmed the unholy ones that sinned - all of them. The Lord is now seated in heavenly places and His Spirit that came at Pentecost now elevates believers to the position of the New holy ones that will soon sit in judgement of the fallen heavenly host.

It is an ALREADY, but not yet kind of thing. Hence we are able to heal the sick and raise the dead just like Yeshua did.

Problem is, haSatan the deceiver has hoodwinked the church into thinking he is still in charge! This mocks the Lord High God.

The fallen ones are defeated and their authority rescinded. So why do we act so defeated? Because we have forgotten how to BELIEVE and have LOYALTY to our God.

Do not let them hoodwink YOU. Study your scriptures and get your supernatural worldview back in focus.

[luigi]

Those who are alive when the Lord returns are caught up spiritually to Christ in the heavens. These individuals are the remnant man child in Micah 5 who being caught up spiritually with Christ, wherever they go (on the earth in their bodies) are now like lions who tear their enemies to pieces. By the way, I think these are also the remnant man child in Revelation 12:17, with whom Satan then goes to war with.

Micah 5:3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

Micah 5:8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

The war in the heaven was seen when Yeshua was born. He even said that He saw satan fall like lightening from heaven. The cross disarmed the unholy ones that sinned - all of them. The Lord is now seated in heavenly places and His Spirit that came at Pentecost now elevates believers to the position of the New holy ones that will soon sit in judgement of the fallen heavenly host.

It is an ALREADY, but not yet kind of thing. Hence we are able to heal the sick and raise the dead just like Yeshua did.

Problem is, haSatan the deceiver has hoodwinked the church into thinking he is still in charge! This mocks the Lord High God.

The fallen ones are defeated and their authority rescinded. So why do we act so defeated? Because we have forgotten how to BELIEVE and have LOYALTY to our God.

Do not let them hoodwink YOU. Study your scriptures and get your supernatural worldview back in focus.

Yes, war was seen in heaven, Satan fell.  These things have happened.  What does that have to do with what the reality of now and of the still yet future?

 

[Justin Adams]

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

Yes, war was seen in heaven, Satan fell.  These things have happened.  What does that have to do with what the reality of now and of the still yet future?

 

When heaven and earth are caught up in the final conflict. The battle for all the marbles. The underworld and all hell will be let loose and the heavenly beings along with believers will be called upon to follow their Commander in Chief, Yeshua into the final battle for Zion, the center of God's Supernatural and Natural kingdom(s).

Jerusalem is the center of God's Cosmos, and where heaven meets earth, this will be the battle to end all battles and usher in the Kingdom of our Great Savior Yeshua. He will then present us to The Ancient of Days in the Heavenly Council and present the Father the kingdom as He promised.

"The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof". Eden will be reestablished as in the Beginning.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

 

The righteous shall rejoice when they see the vengeance, they shall wash their feet in the blood of the wicked. Psalm 58:10

Israels dead men shall rise, together with my dead body shall they arise... 
For behold, the Lord comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth Isaiah 26:19,21
In that day the Lord with His strong and severe sword [will slay two beats] Isaiah 27:1

I will open up your graves and bring you up out of your graves... Come from the four winds, Oh breath of life..
and they stood upon their feet an exceedingly great army. Ezekiel 37:1-9-10.  [Matthew 24:30-31 the four winds]

Behold the Lord comes with 10,000's of His saints to do doom [wrath] upon all flesh. Jude 1:14-15

The marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready...
I saw an angel standing in the sun and he cried with a loud voice saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of the sky,
come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God. ...
the two beasts were captured and thrown into the lake of fire...
and the rest were slain with the sword of Him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded from His mouth
and all the birds were filled with their flesh.    Revelation 19:4-21

For the Lord shall utter His voice, before His army Joel 2:11.

For wheresoever the bodies are there will the birds be gathered together. Matthew 24:28, Luke 17:37

Those not caught up to be part of Christs army will be left for the birds.
 

Paul speaks of those resurrections, the dead in Christ rising first, Paul is speaking about the same prophesy of Ezekiel 37:1-14,
and Isaiah 26:19, the great day of resurrection that happens when the Lord comes to reign from Israel. 
Jeremiah 30:9 "And David whom I will raise up unto them"
Ezekiel 37:24 "And David shall be a king among them, and they all shall have one Shepherd."

It's clear from the context of Isaiah 26:19, Jeremiah 30:9 and Ezekiel 37:1-14, 
that Ezekiel 37:24 is talking about a literal resurrected David.
Christ literally rose Lazarus from the dead and also Himself literally rose from the dead,
demonstrating that the prophesy is largely literal, God will raise Israel from death,
and we sincere believers in Christ who are alive and remain will be caught up "together with them in the clouds",
to literally "meet the Lord in the air".

It's not spiritual/figurative, at that time we are given our glorified body,
and get to watch the vengeance unfold just as was written in the Psalms.

[DeighAnn]

7 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

When heaven and earth are caught up in the final conflict. The battle for all the marbles. The underworld and all hell will be let loose and the heavenly beings along with believers will be called upon to follow their Commander in Chief, Yeshua into the final battle for Zion, the center of God's Supernatural and Natural kingdom(s).

Jerusalem is the center of God's Cosmos, and where heaven meets earth, this will be the battle to end all battles and usher in the Kingdom of our Great Savior Yeshua. He will then present us to The Ancient of Days in the Heavenly Council and present the Father the kingdom as He promised.

"The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof". Eden will be reestablished as in the Beginning.

  There is a war going on in heaven before Satan is kicked out.  Though there was a war it ended, Lucifer then seen as Satan

So here we are now, and there is  war going on in heaven before Satan and his angels kicked out at the end of it.  My question is

for those who believe in pre trib rap does Christ come to get this pre trib  church to go fight the war in heaven?  Or does Christ follow Satan after he is kicked out,  placing the church in neither the the war there nor have tribulation here?  


Would it be JUST for Christ come for some who have left thy first love while leaving those who haven't to be tried; and have tribulation ten days be and requiring them faithful unto death?