Futurism

[Alive]

8 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

The context of Romans 9 is about Israel's rejection of Christ, God's Purpose will and Jsutice.  And why the gospel was opened to the gentiles

Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law [d]of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, [e]by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone

Because they did not seek the faith...a choice

Yes Mercy and Grace are the soul province of God, but how do we access it?

Now if Romans ended at Chapter 9 you might be able to make the case.  But it does not , It goes on to Chapter Ten

 

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for [a]Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

We cannot take parts of the bible to support our beliefs we must use the whole bible

 

Including 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward [c]us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance

Brother--again--just as before---none of these scriptures refutes what I have proposed--that the question to resolve is the how and why of faith and confession and believing. They just say that these things are required--not how they are acquired.

This has become a circular logic.

Brother--I appeal to the Cross and what happens there and then in fact.

When we are joined to Christ--when the Father puts us 'into Christ' we were included 'in Him' on the Cross. 'In Him' we died, in Him we rose from the dead with a NEW LIFE and that very Life is Christ. Eternal God Life. In Him we also ascended and that is where we are now. We are hidden with Christ in God according to the scripture. These things are real time historical events. God transferred us from the old man Adam into the new man Adam, which is Christ.

It is not possible to reverse this and certainly not by any effort of our own. We had no power to get ourselves into Christ and we have no power to remove us from Christ.

Not by the will of a man, but by the Will of God.

Do you see that He placed us into Christ and that is where we are now and He will never lose one that the Father gave Him? That there we are eternally safe and kept?

All doctrine must bow to the reality of the Cross.

[Riverwalker]

10 minutes ago, Alive said:

Brother--again--just as before---none of these scriptures refutes what I have proposed--that the question to resolve is the how and why of faith and confession and believing. They just say that these things are required--not how they are acquired.

This has become a circular logic.

Brother--I appeal to the Cross and what happens there and then in fact.

When we are joined to Christ--when the Father puts us 'into Christ' we were included 'in Him' on the Cross. 'In Him' we died, in Him we rose from the dead with a NEW LIFE and that very Life is Christ. Eternal God Life. In Him we also ascended and that is where we are now. We are hidden with Christ in God according to the scripture. These things are real time historical events. God transferred us from the old man Adam into the new man Adam, which is Christ.

It is not possible to reverse this and certainly not by any effort of our own. We had no power to get ourselves into Christ and we have no power to remove us from Christ.

Not by the will of a man, but by the Will of God.

Do you see that He placed us into Christ and that is where we are now and He will never lose one that the Father gave Him? That there we are eternally safe and kept?

All doctrine must bow to the reality of the Cross.

I agree that the disconnect his how and why

 

Either we choose to be saved or be damned

Or God chooses who is to be saved or be damned

I cannot reconcile the latter with either the nature of of God or 2 Peter 3

I also agree this is turning into a hamster wheel. A lot of action going no where. So I will stop responding to the conversation (on this point) I said what I needed to say

 

[Alive]

Yes--God is a Just God just as He is a Merciful God.

He both metes out Justice and He metes out Mercy as He chooses. The Potter.

God gave the gift of natural life to his creatures. It is a wonderful gift that all get to enjoy. The gift of being. He could have stopped it back in Eden but He allowed man to live his earthly life. Quite a gift. Men and women get to love and think and reason and experience the wonders of His Creation.

But because of Adam's fall and our corruption, we are/were all doomed to ultimate death and destruction. That destruction which is deserved by birth and deeds both.

And yet, He will have His family. His Eternal Purpose will be and is fulfilled--'In Christ'.

He chose a remnant out from humanity and redeemed them and saved them from that destruction. All were headed for a deserved destruction and a Merciful and Gracious God pulled the Elect from the masses into the Ark. This is a witness to all Creation for all eternity of His Grace and Mercy. We do and will bear His Image for all the ages to come.

Praise His Glorious Name. The Nature is in the Name and there is only One Name. And that Name is Christ.

I suggest again that folks read the two links in my signature...and be blessed.

[Your closest friendnt]

55 minutes ago, Riverwalker said:

I agree that the disconnect his how and why

 

Either we choose to be saved or be damned

Or God chooses who is to be saved or be damned

I cannot reconcile the latter with either the nature of of God or 2 Peter 3

I also agree this is turning into a hamster wheel. A lot of action going no where. So I will stop responding to the conversation (on this point) I said what I needed to say

 

Thank you for posting.

You deserved a rest. 

"Joshua" let Jesus fight for you, as he always fights for those he loves when they are sleeping. (by sleeping I mean RESTING and not "sleeping some implies to people who have die".

Have a good rest my brother and soon help will come from above. 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Alive said:

How do you resolve Romans 9 as I posted. Here again with more context...

Rom. 9:14 (NAS20S)    What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there?   Far from it!

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¹⁵ For He says to Moses, “ I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOMEVER I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL SHOW COMPASSION TO WHOMEVER I SHOW COMPASSION.”

"For he says to Moses" 

[I will have mercy on whomever I have Mercy and I will show Compassion to whomever I show Compassion.] 

**We need to correctly identify who is the one "who spoke to Moses the statement above".

Who is that Someone who is speaking to Moses.

What He can and He cannot boast about himself? 

Can He boast that he died on the Cross for the Egyptians and that He sent his disciples to them to preach the Gospel of reconciliation to them that invites them to be part of his Kingdom?

To be their God and them to be his people?  

 

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¹⁶ So then, it does not depend on the person who wants it nor the one who   runs, but on God who has mercy. ¹⁷ For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “ FOR THIS VERY REASON I RAISED YOU UP, IN ORDER TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE EARTH.” ¹⁸ So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

Rom. 9:19 (NAS20S)    You will say to me then, “ Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” ²⁰ On the contrary, who are you,   you foolish person, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? ²¹ Or does the potter not have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one object for honorable use, and another for common use? ²² What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with great patience objects of wrath prepared for destruction? ²³ And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon objects of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, ²⁴ namely us, whom He also called, not only from among Jews, but also from among Gentiles,

 

[Alive]

John 17:24 (NAS20S) “Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.

Eph. 1:4 (NAS20S) just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love

²⁰ For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you ²¹ who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

 

[Justin Adams]

In the service dept we had a saying. The Customer is always.. the Customer.
In like manner we ought also to say. Our God is always.. God and Good.

[Alive]

29 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

In the service dept we had a saying. The Customer is always.. the Customer.
In like manner we ought also to say. Our God is always.. God and Good.

Amen!

There are scriptures that say stuff like that.

:-)

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

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"For he says to Moses" 

[I will have mercy on whomever I have Mercy and I will show Compassion to whomever I show Compassion.] 

**We need to correctly identify who is the one "who spoke to Moses the statement above".

Who is that Someone who is speaking to Moses.

What He can and He cannot boast about himself? 

Can He boast that he died on the Cross for the Egyptians and that He sent his disciples to them to preach the Gospel of reconciliation to them that invites them to be part of his Kingdom?

To be their God and them to be his people?  

 

 

Do you have something to say as this is a response to your post. 

And we clear this to discuss the next .

Who is speaking to Moses is the Crucified Jesus?  

Are the words spoken to Moses the words of the Lamb of God? 

Has the Gospel been preached to Faraoh? 

[Alive]

8 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Do you have something to say as this is a response to your post. 

And we clear this to discuss the next .

Who is speaking to Moses is the Crucified Jesus?  

Are the words spoken to Moses the words of the Lamb of God? 

Has the Gospel been preached to Faraoh? 

God was speaking to Moses and yes those were the words of the Lamb of God and no the Gospel of the Cross was not preached to Pharaoh.

What is your point, friend?