MY DELIVERER IS COMIN'!!

[rollinTHUNDER]

MY DELIVERER IS COMIN'!!

Written : March 29,2002 (Passover) By : rollinTHUNDER

Before I start this subject, I want everyone to know right here and now, that I am in no way trying to predict the exact time of our Lord's coming. But I do however, aim to show that we are running out of time. To most of the world, on New Years Eve 2001 we entered a new Millenium, BUT, did we really?? In this study, I aim to show reasonable doubt concerning our calendar, as it was revealed to me by the Holy Spirit

The Lord opened my eyes to something again, on March 19, 2002. It seems very odd that He would pick this date, because it was exactly 6 months ago, to the day, that He revealed something else to me, and I titled that subject, "WHERE IS AMERICA IN THE LAST DAYS ?". I feel led to write this, and it seems fitting also, that today (Mar.29) happens to be the Passover of 2002, which has a lot to do with this subject.

I feel like maybe the Lord is calling me to be some kind of a Watchman, like in Ezekiel 33, and I am blowing my trumpet to warn all who have an ear, because our time is getting very short. Yeah - I'm sure some will say I'm a nut, or crazy, but that doesn't bother me. That's what they said about Noah too, when he was warning the world of the coming flood.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth in six literal days. They were literal days, because after each one, there was evening and there was morning. But there was also a seventh day, and on this day God rested from all his labor. God blessed this seventh day and made it Holy. Holy means : set apart / separate / and righteous.

Although God did nothing in the seventh day but rest, He made a strong point to us, that we should always remember that day. Later this seventh day became known as the Sabbath Day. He commanded us to keep it Holy. The Jews have gotten themselves in a lot of trouble for refusing to obey this command. This day has very special meaning. It's a day that we are never to forget. God put the Israelites in charge of keeping this day Holy, but we christians need to know what it is too, it's not just Saturday.

Hebrews 4: 3,9-10 - (3)"Now we who have believed enter that rest, "So I declared on oath in my anger, they shall never enter my rest." And yet His work has been finished since the creation of the world. (9)There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; (10)for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His."

Folks, I believe those seven days of God's creation were just a shadow/ or a model of the big picture of God's plan for mankind. There are many, many more scriptures that talk about that day, but I am only selecting a few of them. We can always pull up more on the thread later, and you are more than welcome to do so.

Our Wonderful, Glorious Heavenly Father has made known to us the end from the very beginning of His creation.

Isaiah 46: 10 - "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say; My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please." Oh- and what an awesome reward for those that love Him.

1 Corr. 2: 9-10 - "However, it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love Him"-(10) but God has revealed it to us by His Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God."

Take a look at this verse, it will help us understand the model of God's plan for mankind.

2 Peter 3: 8 - "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends; With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."

If you apply that scripture with the model, then you will be able to see how man would rule, or have dominion over God's creation for 6000 years, but the next 1000 years after that would be the Sabbath Day, or the Day of the Lord. Now lets look at the model of God's plan.

From the day that God created Adam to the time of Abraham, there were 2000 years. From Abraham to Christ was another 2000 years, which adds up to 4000 years. The calendar makers made their calendars starting from the birth of Christ. I would say that this was a huge mistake. They should have started when Messiah was cut off, not born. I'll show you why later, when I close.

There's no way to figure out exactly when God created Adam. There were no calendars way back then. But we could calculate from Jesus' time. Could it be proven that the "age of grace" would last 2000 years?? I'm sure to find out, very shortly.

I believe that the crucifiction of Christ was not only the payment for mans sins, but also a shadow/ or model of a very specific time to come. The first two days Jesus' body was in the tomb, but on the third day, He rose. Could it be, that the church would be in the earth for two days (2000 yrs.)?? And then, be raised on the third day (rapture)??

Luke 24: 45-46 - "Then He opened their minds so they could understand the scriptures. (46) He told them, "The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,".

I will now provide a good case for not only mans dominion for 6000 years, but also that there would be 2000 years for the church to fulfill the great commission of preaching the gospel. And now, I will reveal what I believe to be the greatest proof on this subject, from one of the ancient Prophets. This Prophet is not talked about, or quoted very often. His book is small, having only 14 chapters. He is what they call, "one of the minor Prophets", but I believe that I have discovered a diamond in the rough. Hosea says a mouthful !!

Hosea 6: 2 - "After two days He will revive us; on the third day He will restore us, that we may live in His presence."

WOW !! This verse is not talking about Israel being revived after 2000 years of being scattered, for they were scattered for over 2500 years. They didn't come back in two days. No - this verse is definitely future, and what a beauty. After Israel rejected her Messiah, the times of the Gentiles began, and this verse shows that Israel will be temporarily blinded for 2000 years, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. The third day represents the millennial reign, when Jesus will rule the world from Jerusalem for 1000 years!

If I have not shown you enough evidence, wait there is more.

I have also discovered more evidence just by searching for scriptures to prove other points. Not only did God give us a little thumb nail sketch of the crucifiction, but Jesus himself provided another snap shot for all to see.

Matt.17: 1-3 - "After six days (6000 yrs.) Jesus took with Him Peter, James and John the brother of James, And led them up a high mountain (heaven) by themselves. (2) There He was transfigured (changed) before them, His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light (snow). (3) Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah (the two witnesses), talking with Jesus." (emphasis mine)

And while I was checking these verses out, I accidently (yeah right) stumbled onto these other amazing discoveries.

Gen.7: 17,24 - (17) "For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth (heaven)." (emphasis mine)

>>> (24) "The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days." Does anyone like math?? Do you know if you multiply (which is what God commanded- "Be fruitful and multiply", 40 x 150= 6000??

The (40) days of rain flooded the earth for (150) days (6000 yrs), and Noah was safe above (heaven) the destruction that was on the earth. Those that get raptured will also be high above the destruction. When God's wrath was finished the ark returned to the earth and landed on Mount Ararat. Likewise, thoses that will be raptured will also return with the Lord at His second coming and will be with Him when His feet touch down on the Mount of Olives.

Matt.24: 36-37 - "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (37) As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man."

Also, did you know that 40 Jubilees = 2000 years?

Does anyone remember what Jesus first miracle was?? For years I always wondered why He would do this miracle, but never could figure out why. Why would God be in the business of making alcohol?? He always says not to get drunk on too much wine in the scriptures. Well - now I can finally see why. It's another snap-shot picture of the future.

John 2: 1-10 - "On the (third) day a (wedding) took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus mother was there, and (Jesus and His disciples) had also been invited to the wedding. When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to Him, "They have no more (wine). Dear woman, why do you involve me? Jesus replied. "My (time) has not yet come." His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever He tells you." Nearby stood (six) stone water jars, (the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing), each holding 20-30 gallons. Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water", so they filled them to the brim. Then He told them, ("Now draw some out) and take it to the (master) of the banquet. They did so, and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been (turned into wine). He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the Bridegroom aside and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best for last."

Can you see how the Great Alpha and Omega, (like His father) showed us the end from the very beginning of His ministry, His very first miracle?? Can you see how Jesus relates the wine to time?? Oh my - what an AWESOME picture He created for us!! I will leave the rest of the highlighted areas for you to relate them yourself.

Now- back to the calendar. Why would the designer start the new time from the birth, instead of the death?? He just didn't know I guess, and neither did anyone else. The two days (2000 yrs) didn't start until he was in the tomb, and then He rose the third day. After the Lord showed me these things, I accidently (yeah-right) turned on the radio station while I was driving down the road. And on came this message from Chuck Swindol, about "which day did Christ really rise from the dead?". Well - I never really cared which day, but what struck me, was that he gave the supposed date of the incident. And that was for me to keep in my mind for a little while. The Lord sure works in mysterious ways sometimes.

I'm not going to give you the exact date like he did, because that is not what I'm trying to establish here. I only want to prove that the "Age of God's Grace" will end very soon. I'm not here to say, "He's gonna come on such and such date", and I don't want anyone else trying to do it either. But I will give the month and year, that Chuck Swindol used, but not the day.

When we look at our modern day calendars, it appears that 2000 years has already passed us by, but that would be incorrect, or wrong if you will. Our starting point is not right, and then there is a year numbered "0", because they first counted backwards to Christ, and then zero at Christ' birth, and from the zero they go forward. So from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D., there are actually two years. We also have the problem of having 365 1/4 days in our calendar, with the 1/4 counting for the leap years that occur every four years, but God's prophetic calendars only consist of a 360 day year, and that is the one we will convert to here now.

Lets design a more accurate calendar by removing all the errors, and by starting at the right time in history. Our current calendar isn't even close to being accurate, but how far is it off?? How close are we to seeing the actual completion of the church age??

Jesus was said to be 33 when He died on the cross, some like to argue that too, but in this thread, it doesn't matter if He was fifty, because we're going to start from His death, where the three days were supposed to start. The Passover Festival happened to be in April, 32 A.D., according to Chuck Swindol and many other believers as well. Lets use that, along with starting at the proper time in history, at His death, where He was in the earth for two days. Also, the Church Age started after He rose from the dead, not at His birth.

So, we are now in the year 2002, minus 32 years, so we can start at His death, which leave 1970 years. Now we must take 1970 x 5.25, to show how many actual days the Gregorian calendars have gone past the prophetic calendar. 1970 x 5.25 = 10,342.5 days. Now notice the .5, or 1/2 day left over, that will actually help us see if we are in the right allignment with the leap year.

1/4 + 1/4 = 1/2 / or 2 years of our leap year system. For this to be correct, a leap year would have taken place in the year 2000 and the next would fall on 2004. They are confirmed accurate. 2000 was a leap year and 2004 will be also, so now we move on. Now we take the 10,342.5 days and divide by 360, which equals 28.729166 and add that number to 1970. This gives us our true prophetic year according to the time of crucifiction and God's prophetic calendar, but without having the exact day of the month. 28.729166 + 1970 = 1998.729166 is the actual years that have passed since our Lord was crucified, if the date used was the actual one. So according to my calculations, we have not gone past 2000 years. So, since 1998 is less than 2000, we have not really entered into the new millenium. If we were really in the year 2002, then the church would not be here. We would be in heaven, at the marriage supper of the Lamb, waiting to return in the Day of the Lord, which is His 1000 year reign, also known as the Sabbath Day and the Day of the Lord. This Sabbath Day will not begin until Christ' feet touch down on the Mount of Olives. What I want you to see here is, just as God showed us His shadow/model of His plan for mankind, Jesus is also showing us His plan for the Church. And just as Christ was burried in the earth for 2 days and raised on the third day, so will the Body of Christ(church) after 2 days(2000 yrs) be raised(raptured) on the third day to rule and reign with Christ 1000 years. Don't forget : One day to God = 1000 years to man.

Listen all Christians, our time is running out. If you have something that you were going to do for the Kingdom of God, you better get on the ball. It's time to start storing up treasures in heaven. The Bible says that everyone of us has a spiritual gift. Pray that the Lord will reveal to you your spiritual gift. This is what we need to use to give God the Glory that is rightfully due Him. If you are an encourager, then encourage the brethren to build up them up. If you have money, use it for the Kingdom. If you have love, use it for the Kingdom. If you have knowledge, invest it in the Kingdom. What ever you do brothers and sisters, don't let this day catch you unaware. We still could be raptured today. No one knows the day or hour, as God's word says. Someone may guess, or even think they know, but the Bible is clear that only God knows. Maranatha !!

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This post has been transferred from the original thread, which was Posted: Nov. 07 2002,1:04 am

Folks, this may seem a little odd, and I really don't know what to think about it. But I remember when the Lord gave me the idea to write this thread, I started wondering why He was giving me these controversial subjects to write about. And then something clicked in my memory. I remembered That about 12 years earlier, when I first got saved that the Lord whispered in my ear that I was going to write for Him. Even though at the time, I thought that I would write songs, not messages about endtime events. Well that's kind of a long story, so I'll cut to the chase.

Anyway, when He gave me this second message, I was thinking that it was no fluke, and that He really did want me to write for Him, but not songs as I thought long ago and later forgot all about it. I was very shocked to realize that He would want me to do something that I am not even qualified to do, or without having any talent, and not to mention even the slightest interest of being a writer.

I also remember when He gave me the first message, "WHERE IS AMERICA IN THE LAST DAYS?", that I felt an overwelming burden, as if there was a great weight put on my shoulders and I didn't know what to do about it. I was no stranger to witnessing, but this was too heavy. I thought, "Why would the Lord give me this message"? Shouldn't Hal Lindsey or Jack Van Impe or someone else who had a large audience get this and not me, I thought? What can I do with it, not very much I thought. Then doors started opening in places that I would never even have dreamed of. I couldn't type and never was interested in computers and never even wanted to touch one, but nonetheless, here I am, send me Lord. Well that was my first message.

This was my second one. And I was no longer questioning why or how, because I was already doing it. But I never expected Him to give me another message after the first one. I thought maybe I got lucky and just stumbled onto asking the Lord the right question and was fortunate that He answered me. But when He gave me this one six months later, it just hit me, and suddenly I remembered His promise that I misunderstood several years earlier. This time I was trying to think of what it is exactly that the Lord wants me to do. As I was writing my rough draft, I wrote a paragraph as to how I felt about what He was starting to do in me, and this is where it gets weird. I'll paste it below:

I feel like maybe the Lord is calling me to be some kind of a Watchman, like in Ezekiel 33, and I am blowing my trumpet to warn all who have an ear, because our time is getting very short. Yeah - I'm sure some will say I'm a nut, or crazy, but that doesn't bother me. That's what they said about Noah too, when he was warning the world of the coming flood.

I told my wife that this was about how I felt. And that my trumpet was the message that the Lord gave me. I told her the only thing I was missing was the tower, but thought maybe that could be the computer. You see, the Lord sent watchmen to warn people of impending judgment. The watchman would sound his trumpet to alert people to imminent danger. Now here's the kicker, sorry it took so long. I now work in a real tower.

Six months after I said that, my Captain assigned me to be permanant North Tower Officer, and that's where I've been working since Sept. 2002. I don't get to blow the trumpet up there, but there is a lot of quiet time. I mostly sit up there and monitor escorts from the catwalk and also by digital cameras that are very fun to operate. I am about 50 feet up and have the only weapons on the compound, as far as guns go, but I will most likely never have to use them. I also operate the Sallyport Gates electronicly.

I really don't know what to make of it yet, but I just thought I would share it with you all. It really is odd though. Maybe even more than odd, because out of over 40 officers that work my shift, I am the one to get picked for this job. The Captain didn't ask anyone if they would like the position. I just all of a sudden was thrown into it, and without my Captain ever having any knowledge of this thread that I wrote. Who would have ever guessed it?? Go figure!!

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that number to 1970. This gives us our true prophetic year according to the time of crucifiction and God's prophetic calendar, but without having the exact day of the month. 28.729166 + 1970 = 1998.729166 is the actual years that have passed since our Lord was crucified, if the date used was the actual one. So according to my calculations, we have not gone past 2000 years. So, since 1998 is less than 2000, we have not really entered into the new millenium. If we were really in the year 2002, then the church would not be here. We would be in the Day of the Lord, which is His 1000 year reign, also known as the Sabbath Day and the Day of the Lord. This Sabbath Day will not begin until Christ' feet touch down on the Mount of Olives. What I want you to see here is, just as God

the above post is from ROLLING THUNDER---------

UHHHHHHHHHhhhhh??.??.?? please splain "HOW"can the "CHURCH" NOT be here in the year 2002,

& still be "HERE" in the DAY of THE LORD?? DURING the 1,000 year reign of THE LORD & HIS CHURCH ALL at the "SAME" TIME ?? "THIS"scenario is just kind-a- dipsey-doodle-----EXpectantly waiting for an answer??

:upsided: HMMMMMMMMmmmm??-----shadow-gem2b{Gary}--- :baa: :baa: :alien: :bg:

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the above post is from ROLLING THUNDER---------

  UHHHHHHHHHhhhhh??.??.??  please splain "HOW"can the "CHURCH" NOT be here in the year 2002,

& still be "HERE" in the DAY of  THE LORD?? DURING the 1,000 year reign of THE LORD & HIS CHURCH ALL at the "SAME" TIME ??  "THIS"scenario is just kind-a- dipsey-doodle-----EXpectantly waiting for an answer??

  :upsided:      HMMMMMMMMmmmm??-----shadow-gem2b{Gary}--- :baa:  :baa:  :alien:  :bg:

Hi Gary,

I didn't understand what you were getting at, at first. Then I went back and found that I didn't explain that part very well at all. It appears I skipped a thought. The church will be in heaven while the tribulation is going on in the earth, and the church will return with Christ at it's conclusion.

That was a good catch my friend. I think I fixed it though. What do you think now?

I never was very good at explaining things. This is what really baffles me as to why the Lord would call me to write for Him. This is also the reason that I chose that scripture to put in my signature. Thanks again Gary!!

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the above post is from ROLLING THUNDER---------

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WeLLLLLLL rollin-----okey--dokey,LET'S just take a scriptural journey & "see" what the scriptures DEclare------NOW i Know that you have stated in other threads that matt.24----- isNOT addressing the

rapture,gathering to,being caughtUP to the LORD-----SOOOoooo let's just "see" what the scriptures do say..... matt.24.vss.3--------AND as HE sat upon the mount of OLIVES,the disciples came unto HIM privately, saying,TELL us,#1- when shall these things be?? #2--and what shall be the sign of thy coming, #3--and of the end of the world?? ALL 3 questions are DIrected at "ONE THING" THE RETURN of JESUS-YESHUA-----also we need to add ---mark.13.vs.4--#1--TELL us,when shall these things be??

#2--and what shall be the sign when ALL these things shall be fulfilled??-----luke.21.vs.7--#1 AND they asked HIM,saying,MASTER,but when shall these things be??#2--and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?? ALL three accounts are about the RETURN OF JESUS-YESHUA--

Are they NOT??BUT matt. is the only one that asks three questions--"when,what,worlds end"BUT ALL

three accounts ask for "What sign"..."IN" each account JESUS begins his teaching with the words" TAKE heed that "YE" areNOT DECeived..... HE is talking TO HIS disciples..RIGHT?? HE is telling them AS well as {ALL believers, saints,HIS bride,HIS church,HIS brethren "jews & gentiles"] RIGHT??---WHEN HE RETURNS,[once], these "signs, events" will all be happening just "before HIS RETURN"--matt.24.vs.5--"many False christs--vs.6--wars,rumours of wars,don't be troubled--{ "IF" as you state" the church will be in heaven during this GREAT tribulation time.] WHY would JESUS tell them & US to NOT BE TROUBLED & be careful that WE areNOT DEceived "IF" WE are IN heaven??BUT the end isNOT YET!! AND JESUS doesNOT speak about or DEscribe or point to a different or two separate group of believers such as the "true church, the true bride,tribulation saints,martyrs... HE just points to ONE group of people, HIS disciples....ARE we not HIS disciples?? john17.vs.20---Neither pray I for these alone,but "for them also which shall believe on ME through their word;"----vs.15---I Pray not that thou shouldest take them 'OUT' of the world, but that thou shouldest "KEEP" them from the evil....--------

HOW could "WE" the church be deceived in heaven??.?? WHY would JESUS pray to HIS FATHER to

"KEEP" us from the evil??--the word "KEEP" in this instance is defined in strong's as--GR.5083---

"tereo--teros--[a watch;to guard,from loss or injury by keeping the eye upon-- by extens.to withhold for personal ends--fig.to keep unmarried,hold fast,keep [er] observe,preserve,reserve,watch-------

NOW rT i believe i have posed some very good questions that DEServe point by point answers on this thread.... thank you & GOD-BLESS-ALL-TRUTHSEEKERS-----------shadow-gem2b{Gary}-----

This is the wrong thread for this question Gary. I'll answer it on my, "PROOF FOR A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE" thread.

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Leap frog. Ribbit!!!!

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Leap frog. Ribbit!!!!

uhhhhhhhhhhh????? WHY bring this over from MAY rT?????? can't think of anything else to post?????

run out of hearing those little whispers in you ears?????? oh are those "ITCHY" ears rt???-

leap--frog punkkkkkiittttyyy

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Hello Thunder

I have seen this conversion before. I believe it to be fairly accurate. The secular calendars are not accurate though, and it will reflect on the actual year the MK will start using these calendars. I have also seen variations as to which day began the year 4000 or the 4th thousand year day. You have mentioned two (birth and death/resurrection) of the three that I have seen written of the most. With the third being the day CHRIST was reading from Isaiah and proclaimed the acceptable year of the LORD. I am inclined to agree that HIS death and resurrection or the day HE proclaimed the acceptable year of the LORD, as the starting point of the 4th thousand year day. I believe either one could be accurate.

You mentioned the Jubilee years which I thought was interesting. It is speculated that 1917 was a Jubilee year. This was the year the Balfour Declaration was decreed. It called for the return of the Jews to the homeland. 30 years later 1947, (the age of maturity) if memory serves me, UN resolution 181 decreed the creation of a Jewish State. The State of Israel was declared the following year. In 1967, 50 years after the 1917 decree (Jubilee), during the Six-Day War, Israeli forces captured Jerusalem. In the Old Testament, every Jubilee possessions were returned to former owners. In a since 30 years after the 1917 decree called for the return of the Jews, they matured to be decreed a nation once again. 50 years after this decree their former possession was returned to them, (Jerusalem).

If this is an indication of coming events, the next Jubilee will be 2017. Will CHRIST then reclaim HIS former possession, the earth and HIS kingdom? I will be watching with all hope!!! Peace, but not yet.