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:laugh:What the Earthman declares (thoughts, words and deeds) in his/her Soul ------- over a period of his/her lifetime; is vital to his/her ultimately receiving, either the [1] "Mark of the Lamb" or [2] "Mark of the Beast";

whether these thoughts, words and deeds be [1] Dependent on God or [2] Independent of God.

When the Earth mans' THOUGHTS, WORDS AND DEEDS are independent of God over a period of his/her lifetime; he/she ultimately receives the "Mark of the Beast". (Rev.13:16,17) <<< THE ENTIRE BOOK OF REVELATION IS A SPIRITUAL VISION!

This is not a physical mark, not a computer chip; >>>>> BUT A SPIRITUAL MARK OF OWNERSHIP!

The Mark in the "forehead" >>> in the mind and motivation; and the Mark in the "right hand" >>> in the works and deeds: "Buy and Sell" >>> World system of transaction - spirit of living independent of God.

This "Mark of the Beast" is developed in ones' Soul over period of years, sometimes without his/her control (good or bad) as long as ones' LIFESTYLE (thoughts, words and deeds) is independent of God.

The Bible declares, "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way." (2Thessalonians 2:7)

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" (Mark 8:36)

"Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" (Mark 8:37

FURTHER APOCALYSE ON THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS!

A spiritual vision, we should not interpret along human lines! In addition, not a direct indication against democracy or government but against the entire soul dimension of mankind ever has been since the fall of man in creation as being under mankind's rule by the spirit of cult-ing, the spirit of living independent of God.

This spirit of cult-ing affects from smallest minute life like remote tribes to the biggest corporation or entity man has ever known.

The indictment is against mankind - the condemned - rejecting God even Jesus Christ as Personal God consummating in the tower of babel-like cult-ing of soulish doing things oneself in thoughts, words and deeds even entering our most sacred and yet still soulish religiousity without Christ Himself:

Church without Christ or at best without His cross(all forms of culting known to mankind: hypnosis, telepathy, mind over matter, soul control, soul ties and every witch craft in the book entering the "church") which will no more be the church as preplayed in the new testament bible but rather false prophet; name them today growing into greatness eventually becoming a terror in this life.

As you will discern this prophecy is greater than any one entity. It is a great culmination of all that is secular forces against God and all that is religious forces - falsely so against God deceiving humankind that they are so. Humankind complete in his/her independence from God!(666)

Even those who have been so deceived thereby would be so deceived by their hypnosis e.g. scientology oops and terror control that they would have received a pattern of thinking without the real Christ and His cross which is the crucified life against every easy way to life.

These deceived ones, the bible says receive the Mark of the beast on their right hand - works and deeds and on their forehead - mind, motivation.

Note this Mark is NOT a physical mark and NOT a computer chip, but a spiritual Mark of ownership on the souls of the condemned who reject Christ.

Think of things like being bribed, threatened or/and seduced to do bad things you will not do because of your moral beliefs now but then will be in a more hypnotic grander scale.

Also think of entities now that would change moral laws to suit their modern age lifestyle. These are all the baby stages of the anti-christ worship: Against Christ and His cross!

This apocalypse of the culmination of both the body of the Antichrist (The Condemned - including its dead since the fall of mankind) on the one hand;

And the culmination of the body of Christ (The Saved - including its dead since the fall of mankind) on the other hand both rising in absolute perfection one against Christ and the other for Christ, will be the final closure for the coming apostasy.

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:18,22

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2 John 7

There is hope for the - Condemned - [With God all things are possible (Mark 10: 26,27)]; to receive Jesus(Christ) even on their death bed(Gods Door Is Always Open)! However, more difficult due to a life long pharoah-ic hardening of heart against the Quality of Christ Presence: Holiness!

Just as the lifelong progress - capacity to do good - of the Saved soul is his/her inheritance in the kingdom of God: Spiritual Mark or rank of ownership is the 'Mark of the lamb'.

So also, the lifelong progress - capacity to do evil - of the condemned soul is his/her inheritance in the kingdom of darkness via the works of the flesh: Spiritual Mark or rank of ownership is the 'Mark of the beast'.

Note the Works are NOT the Mark themselves but a physical attribute as to the growth of the Soul or one's experiences of God on the one hand and one's experiences of darkness via mind, motivation and works on the other!

The only way out for the Condemned and the Lost is to be beheaded for Christ i.e. to put the old man Adam to death by receiving Jesus(Christ) as personal God - a Spiritual beheading - and living for Him (practical Holiness)!

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev.20:4 :emot-hug:

BUYING WITHOUT MONEY

Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Isaiah 55:1

Others have hyped about the waters representing our eternal life, the milk representing the sincere word of God, the wine representing our complete forgiveness of our sins, giving us daily gladness to enjoy life, however nothing said about the buying itself as in worship.

Spiritually we do NOT buy directly with money! We buy with our individual souls! Money in this our physical dimension is an indirect means of transaction representing a significant part of our soul energy.

Therefore, when you see that kid or teenager playing with his/her video games or internet chatting for hours, they are making a transaction with their soul (mind, emotion, will). This needs to be brought home, when some say I do not have money to give or use in worship, hence I make no spiritual transaction? Yes, we all do!

The end product is about, What we are becoming in our individual Soul. :emot-hug:

Earthman? :emot-hug:

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Note how the 'historicist' and 'preterist' views always attempt to run circles around those direct Bible links above, as if they already know it but want to steer around it, or discredit it.

Perhaps Celt you would kindly explain your words above and the reason you felt it was necessary to state them.

Then I will address some aspects of your post.

Like I said. After conversing with folks on the historicist and preterist views, it doesn't take long to understand how those views are designed to skip those relevant Scriptures about a last days great tribulation that has never been before. Conversing with someone on the full preterist view is really something, because one type holds to the false idea that Christ's second coming already happenned back in 70 A.D. I was raised in a Church that mainly held to the historicist and preterist views. And when I quote relevant Scripture about a future great tribulation in the very last days, I get labeled by those as pre-trib and as a futurist. If a Scripture is yet to occur, then it is future, and most of Revelation is meant for the future from those it was first given to. I'm actually post-trib, and it's not that difficult to recognize when some event has yet to occur on the earth, like Christ's second coming and His future "thousand years" reign on earth.

It's not just about the Revelation 12 and 13 chapters, for Christ's Olivet Discourse and Paul's warnings in his Epistles also link to a particular coming "great tribulation" that has yet to occur. Yet I find historicists and preterists especially, have a difficult time admitting those Scripture examples that point to our near future about a coming great tribulation.

Certainly you are entitled to your opinion and have not hesitated to submit it as factual . . . however, did you even read the OP? I do not recall any addressing of it in your posts, only the sharing of your opinion.

Nonetheless, just who are you addressing with your comments on "historicist and preterist views" any way?

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:101:What the Earthman declares (thoughts, words and deeds) in his/her Soul ------- over a period of his/her lifetime; is vital to his/her ultimately receiving, either the [1] "Mark of the Lamb" or [2] "Mark of the Beast";

whether these thoughts, words and deeds be [1] Dependent on God or [2] Independent of God.

When the Earth mans' THOUGHTS, WORDS AND DEEDS are independent of God over a period of his/her lifetime; he/she ultimately receives the "Mark of the Beast". (Rev.13:16,17) <<< THE ENTIRE BOOK OF REVELATION IS A SPIRITUAL VISION!

This is not a physical mark, not a computer chip; >>>>> BUT A SPIRITUAL MARK OF OWNERSHIP!

The Mark in the "forehead" >>> in the mind and motivation; and the Mark in the "right hand" >>> in the works and deeds: "Buy and Sell" >>> World system of transaction - spirit of living independent of God.

This "Mark of the Beast" is developed in ones' Soul over period of years, sometimes without his/her control (good or bad) as long as ones' LIFESTYLE (thoughts, words and deeds) is independent of God.

The Bible declares, "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way." (2Thessalonians 2:7)

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" (Mark 8:36)

"Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" (Mark 8:37

FURTHER APOCALYSE ON THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS!

A spiritual vision, we should not interpret along human lines! In addition, not a direct indication against democracy or government but against the entire soul dimension of mankind ever has been since the fall of man in creation as being under mankind's rule by the spirit of cult-ing, the spirit of living independent of God.

This spirit of cult-ing affects from smallest minute life like remote tribes to the biggest corporation or entity man has ever known.

The indictment is against mankind - the condemned - rejecting God even Jesus Christ as Personal God consummating in the tower of babel-like cult-ing of soulish doing things oneself in thoughts, words and deeds even entering our most sacred and yet still soulish religiousity without Christ Himself:

Church without Christ or at best without His cross(all forms of culting known to mankind: hypnosis, telepathy, mind over matter, soul control, soul ties and every witch craft in the book entering the "church") which will no more be the church as preplayed in the new testament bible but rather false prophet; name them today growing into greatness eventually becoming a terror in this life.

As you will discern this prophecy is greater than any one entity. It is a great culmination of all that is secular forces against God and all that is religious forces - falsely so against God deceiving humankind that they are so. Humankind complete in his/her independence from God!(666)

Even those who have been so deceived thereby would be so deceived by their hypnosis e.g. scientology oops and terror control that they would have received a pattern of thinking without the real Christ and His cross which is the crucified life against every easy way to life.

These deceived ones, the bible says receive the Mark of the beast on their right hand - works and deeds and on their forehead - mind, motivation.

Note this Mark is NOT a physical mark and NOT a computer chip, but a spiritual Mark of ownership on the souls of the condemned who reject Christ.

Think of things like being bribed, threatened or/and seduced to do bad things you will not do because of your moral beliefs now but then will be in a more hypnotic grander scale.

Also think of entities now that would change moral laws to suit their modern age lifestyle. These are all the baby stages of the anti-christ worship: Against Christ and His cross!

This apocalypse of the culmination of both the body of the Antichrist (The Condemned - including its dead since the fall of mankind) on the one hand;

And the culmination of the body of Christ (The Saved - including its dead since the fall of mankind) on the other hand both rising in absolute perfection one against Christ and the other for Christ, will be the final closure for the coming apostasy.

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:18,22

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2 John 7

There is hope for the - Condemned - [With God all things are possible (Mark 10: 26,27)]; to receive Jesus(Christ) even on their death bed(Gods Door Is Always Open)! However, more difficult due to a life long pharoah-ic hardening of heart against the Quality of Christ Presence: Holiness!

Just as the lifelong progress - capacity to do good - of the Saved soul is his/her inheritance in the kingdom of God: Spiritual Mark or rank of ownership is the 'Mark of the lamb'.

So also, the lifelong progress - capacity to do evil - of the condemned soul is his/her inheritance in the kingdom of darkness via the works of the flesh: Spiritual Mark or rank of ownership is the 'Mark of the beast'.

Note the Works are NOT the Mark themselves but a physical attribute as to the growth of the Soul or one's experiences of God on the one hand and one's experiences of darkness via mind, motivation and works on the other!

The only way out for the Condemned and the Lost is to be beheaded for Christ i.e. to put the old man Adam to death by receiving Jesus(Christ) as personal God - a Spiritual beheading - and living for Him (practical Holiness)!

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev.20:4 :emot-hug:

BUYING WITHOUT MONEY

Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Isaiah 55:1

Others have hyped about the waters representing our eternal life, the milk representing the sincere word of God, the wine representing our complete forgiveness of our sins, giving us daily gladness to enjoy life, however nothing said about the buying itself as in worship.

Spiritually we do NOT buy directly with money! We buy with our individual souls! Money in this our physical dimension is an indirect means of transaction representing a significant part of our soul energy.

Therefore, when you see that kid or teenager playing with his/her video games or internet chatting for hours, they are making a transaction with their soul (mind, emotion, will). This needs to be brought home, when some say I do not have money to give or use in worship, hence I make no spiritual transaction? Yes, we all do!

The end product is about, What we are becoming in our individual Soul. :laugh:

Earthman? :emot-hug:

:emot-hug: yeah what blind said?

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:101:What the Earthman declares (thoughts, words and deeds) in his/her Soul ------- over a period of his/her lifetime; is vital to his/her ultimately receiving, either the [1] "Mark of the Lamb" or [2] "Mark of the Beast";

whether these thoughts, words and deeds be [1] Dependent on God or [2] Independent of God.

When the Earth mans' THOUGHTS, WORDS AND DEEDS are independent of God over a period of his/her lifetime; he/she ultimately receives the "Mark of the Beast". (Rev.13:16,17) <<< THE ENTIRE BOOK OF REVELATION IS A SPIRITUAL VISION!

This is not a physical mark, not a computer chip; >>>>> BUT A SPIRITUAL MARK OF OWNERSHIP!

The Mark in the "forehead" >>> in the mind and motivation; and the Mark in the "right hand" >>> in the works and deeds: "Buy and Sell" >>> World system of transaction - spirit of living independent of God.

This "Mark of the Beast" is developed in ones' Soul over period of years, sometimes without his/her control (good or bad) as long as ones' LIFESTYLE (thoughts, words and deeds) is independent of God.

The Bible declares, "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way." (2Thessalonians 2:7)

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" (Mark 8:36)

"Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" (Mark 8:37

FURTHER APOCALYSE ON THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS!

A spiritual vision, we should not interpret along human lines! In addition, not a direct indication against democracy or government but against the entire soul dimension of mankind ever has been since the fall of man in creation as being under mankind's rule by the spirit of cult-ing, the spirit of living independent of God.

This spirit of cult-ing affects from smallest minute life like remote tribes to the biggest corporation or entity man has ever known.

The indictment is against mankind - the condemned - rejecting God even Jesus Christ as Personal God consummating in the tower of babel-like cult-ing of soulish doing things oneself in thoughts, words and deeds even entering our most sacred and yet still soulish religiousity without Christ Himself:

Church without Christ or at best without His cross(all forms of culting known to mankind: hypnosis, telepathy, mind over matter, soul control, soul ties and every witch craft in the book entering the "church") which will no more be the church as preplayed in the new testament bible but rather false prophet; name them today growing into greatness eventually becoming a terror in this life.

As you will discern this prophecy is greater than any one entity. It is a great culmination of all that is secular forces against God and all that is religious forces - falsely so against God deceiving humankind that they are so. Humankind complete in his/her independence from God!(666)

Even those who have been so deceived thereby would be so deceived by their hypnosis e.g. scientology oops and terror control that they would have received a pattern of thinking without the real Christ and His cross which is the crucified life against every easy way to life.

These deceived ones, the bible says receive the Mark of the beast on their right hand - works and deeds and on their forehead - mind, motivation.

Note this Mark is NOT a physical mark and NOT a computer chip, but a spiritual Mark of ownership on the souls of the condemned who reject Christ.

Think of things like being bribed, threatened or/and seduced to do bad things you will not do because of your moral beliefs now but then will be in a more hypnotic grander scale.

Also think of entities now that would change moral laws to suit their modern age lifestyle. These are all the baby stages of the anti-christ worship: Against Christ and His cross!

This apocalypse of the culmination of both the body of the Antichrist (The Condemned - including its dead since the fall of mankind) on the one hand;

And the culmination of the body of Christ (The Saved - including its dead since the fall of mankind) on the other hand both rising in absolute perfection one against Christ and the other for Christ, will be the final closure for the coming apostasy.

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:18,22

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2 John 7

There is hope for the - Condemned - [With God all things are possible (Mark 10: 26,27)]; to receive Jesus(Christ) even on their death bed(Gods Door Is Always Open)! However, more difficult due to a life long pharoah-ic hardening of heart against the Quality of Christ Presence: Holiness!

Just as the lifelong progress - capacity to do good - of the Saved soul is his/her inheritance in the kingdom of God: Spiritual Mark or rank of ownership is the 'Mark of the lamb'.

So also, the lifelong progress - capacity to do evil - of the condemned soul is his/her inheritance in the kingdom of darkness via the works of the flesh: Spiritual Mark or rank of ownership is the 'Mark of the beast'.

Note the Works are NOT the Mark themselves but a physical attribute as to the growth of the Soul or one's experiences of God on the one hand and one's experiences of darkness via mind, motivation and works on the other!

The only way out for the Condemned and the Lost is to be beheaded for Christ i.e. to put the old man Adam to death by receiving Jesus(Christ) as personal God - a Spiritual beheading - and living for Him (practical Holiness)!

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev.20:4 :emot-hug:

BUYING WITHOUT MONEY

Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Isaiah 55:1

Others have hyped about the waters representing our eternal life, the milk representing the sincere word of God, the wine representing our complete forgiveness of our sins, giving us daily gladness to enjoy life, however nothing said about the buying itself as in worship.

Spiritually we do NOT buy directly with money! We buy with our individual souls! Money in this our physical dimension is an indirect means of transaction representing a significant part of our soul energy.

Therefore, when you see that kid or teenager playing with his/her video games or internet chatting for hours, they are making a transaction with their soul (mind, emotion, will). This needs to be brought home, when some say I do not have money to give or use in worship, hence I make no spiritual transaction? Yes, we all do!

The end product is about, What we are becoming in our individual Soul. :laugh:

Earthman? :emot-hug:

:emot-hug: yeah what blind said?

Fleshly person. A person 'of the earth' in other words. Not hard to follow. One of the apostles uses a similar term when describing godless wisdom as "earthly, sensual, devilish."

The idea of buying with one's soul is odd. The Chapter refers to Rome and the last days of the Jewish system. IT has nothing to do with us today. We are not being demanded to worship Nero or any other Roman emperor. This is why there is so much confusion regarding eschatology in the Church today. Trying ti make things from the past fit the future. The confusion will continue until people understand that, I believe.

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Note how the 'historicist' and 'preterist' views always attempt to run circles around those direct Bible links above, as if they already know it but want to steer around it, or discredit it.

Perhaps Celt you would kindly explain your words above and the reason you felt it was necessary to state them.

Then I will address some aspects of your post.

Like I said. After conversing with folks on the historicist and preterist views, it doesn't take long to understand how those views are designed to skip those relevant Scriptures about a last days great tribulation that has never been before. Conversing with someone on the full preterist view is really something, because one type holds to the false idea that Christ's second coming already happenned back in 70 A.D. I was raised in a Church that mainly held to the historicist and preterist views. And when I quote relevant Scripture about a future great tribulation in the very last days, I get labeled by those as pre-trib and as a futurist. If a Scripture is yet to occur, then it is future, and most of Revelation is meant for the future from those it was first given to. I'm actually post-trib, and it's not that difficult to recognize when some event has yet to occur on the earth, like Christ's second coming and His future "thousand years" reign on earth.

It's not just about the Revelation 12 and 13 chapters, for Christ's Olivet Discourse and Paul's warnings in his Epistles also link to a particular coming "great tribulation" that has yet to occur. Yet I find historicists and preterists especially, have a difficult time admitting those Scripture examples that point to our near future about a coming great tribulation.

Certainly you are entitled to your opinion and have not hesitated to submit it as factual . . . however, did you even read the OP? I do not recall any addressing of it in your posts, only the sharing of your opinion.

Nonetheless, just who are you addressing with your comments on "historicist and preterist views" any way?

Try this on for size.

Revelation 13:1

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a

beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and

ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon

his heads the name of blasphemy.

Here the word

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So if we look at the whole list of those nations or empires which have had a direct relationship with Israel, either by taking her into captivity or having dominion over them and their land, it would be as follows:
  • 1. Egypt
    2. Assyria
    3. Babylon
    4. Mede/Persia
    5. Greece
    6. Rome
    7. England

But look what the scriptures says:

I was just thinking about something -

I know England was an Empire, and I can understand from that context why you would list it here.

But I was considering that Spain and Portugal were Empires as well - they just declined before England did.

Come to think of it, Germany and France were battling for power with England and Spain pretty much since the fall of the Roman Empire.

Could it be that "The Holy Roman Empire" - which had the Europe foot (of which those nations I mentioned were a part of) and the Byzantine foot - have been the 7th?

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So if we look at the whole list of those nations or empires which have had a direct relationship with Israel, either by taking her into captivity or having dominion over them and their land, it would be as follows:
  • 1. Egypt
    2. Assyria
    3. Babylon
    4. Mede/Persia
    5. Greece
    6. Rome
    7. England

But look what the scriptures says:

I was just thinking about something -

I know England was an Empire, and I can understand from that context why you would list it here.

But I was considering that Spain and Portugal were Empires as well - they just declined before England did.

Come to think of it, Germany and France were battling for power with England and Spain pretty much since the fall of the Roman Empire.

Could it be that "The Holy Roman Empire" - which had the Europe foot (of which those nations I mentioned were a part of) and the Byzantine foot - have been the 7th?

Hello Sister Nebula,

I have England listed because England was the possessor of the Land of Palestine when God cause the rebirth of Israel which, like the beast " was, and is not, and yet is."

I would be inclined to reject any Empire not affiliated with Israel's past, present and future as being the seventh . . . since I believe Israel is a key to understanding the identity of all the "heads" or "kings," especially the seventh and the eighth.

Thanks for the question and interested in your response to my answer . . .

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Try this on for size.

Ok . . . just answer the questions it spawns.

The seven heads of this beast represent seven heads of

state and we know that there was at one time a collection of

men who were called the

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I would be inclined to reject any Empire not affiliated with Israel's past, present and future as being the seventh . . . since I believe Israel is a key to understanding the identity of all the "heads" or "kings," especially the seventh and the eighth.

Actually, Europe was heavily involved with the possession of the Promised Land (the time of the Crusades), as well as Muslims (though I don't know which nation of Muslims had the strongest hold on the Land). Britain just had it at the end.

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Try this on for size.

Ok . . . just answer the questions it spawns.

The seven heads of this beast represent seven heads of

state and we know that there was at one time a collection of

men who were called the

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