Joshua-777 Posted April 18, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 410 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,102 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 522 Days Won: 6 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/07/1984 Share Posted April 18, 2010 The Fourth Beast-nation is Rome. This is historically obvious. It follows Greece in historical pre-eminence. Rome was then destroyed by the Kingdom of God, just as Daniel said it would be, although (again as Daniel said it would) it lasted a little longer (as the ten toes). The Kingdom of God is never defeated. It is challenged (see Revelation 20) but never defeated. Christians today continually search for something that isn't IN the prophecy (some fictional "Antichrist" dictator). The only dictator ever mentioned is Nero, and he is killed. Daniel calls him the little horn. He did all of the things Daniel said he would, he spoke great and blasphemous things against God, he warred against the saints of the Most High and (temporarily) prevailed. So then why does John call Nero the Beast? Because Nero is the personification of the Fourth Beast at the height of its power, just as Pharoah Ramses was with Egypt, Nebuchadnezzar was with Babylon, Darius the Mede was with Media Persia and Alexander was with Greece. These men were in power at the height of their nation's history. While there were other kings (Caesars) after Nero, none of them held the sway Nero did, because after his death, Rome slowly declined in power (according to the prophecy of Daniel) and Christianity slowly came to pre-eminence. To claim that Rome will be revived is to say that Daniel is wrong. Daniel NEVER (nor does anywhere else in Scripture) states that the Fourth Beast is ever revived. The fact that Rome recovers after the death of Nero (after nearly collapsing in civil war) is not the same as a revival 2000+ years later. The great mountain crushed the Fourth Beast and history and Scripture agree. I agree that the fourth beast is Rome, but there are two states mentioned the first state. the 10 horns mentioned as 10 kings, in Daniel 7:24 are also referenced in Revelation 17:12 as kings that have not yet risen. Daniel 7:7-12 Could Refer to Rome and Nero, but if you look at the interpretation, Daniel 7:23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massorite Posted April 19, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,973 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/26/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/13/1953 Share Posted April 19, 2010 OK as you wish. Revelation 17:9-14 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted April 19, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,031 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 425 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 19, 2010 The Fourth Beast-nation is Rome. This is historically obvious. It follows Greece in historical pre-eminence. Rome was then destroyed by the Kingdom of God, just as Daniel said it would be, although (again as Daniel said it would) it lasted a little longer (as the ten toes). The Kingdom of God is never defeated. It is challenged (see Revelation 20) but never defeated. I agree that the fourth beast is Rome, but there are two states mentioned the first state. the 10 horns mentioned as 10 kings, in Daniel 7:24 are also referenced in Revelation 17:12 as kings that have not yet risen. Daniel 7:7-12 Could Refer to Rome and Nero, but if you look at the interpretation, Daniel 7:23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua-777 Posted April 19, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 410 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,102 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 522 Days Won: 6 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/07/1984 Share Posted April 19, 2010 OK as you wish. Revelation 17:9-14 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua-777 Posted April 19, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 410 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,102 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 522 Days Won: 6 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/07/1984 Share Posted April 19, 2010 The Fourth Beast-nation is Rome. This is historically obvious. It follows Greece in historical pre-eminence. Rome was then destroyed by the Kingdom of God, just as Daniel said it would be, although (again as Daniel said it would) it lasted a little longer (as the ten toes). The Kingdom of God is never defeated. It is challenged (see Revelation 20) but never defeated. I agree that the fourth beast is Rome, but there are two states mentioned the first state. the 10 horns mentioned as 10 kings, in Daniel 7:24 are also referenced in Revelation 17:12 as kings that have not yet risen. Daniel 7:7-12 Could Refer to Rome and Nero, but if you look at the interpretation, Daniel 7:23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Woes Posted May 24, 2010 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 2 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/14/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted May 24, 2010 There are actually two beasts in view; there is the first one that comes from the "sea" and then there is the false prophet that comes from the "earth". The two are one, and this chapter actually describes the same beast (satan) having three different purposes, but the three are one and that being the spirit of anti-Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted May 25, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,031 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 425 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 25, 2010 There are actually two beasts in view; there is the first one that comes from the "sea" and then there is the false prophet that comes from the "earth". The two are one, and this chapter actually describes the same beast (satan) having three different purposes, but the three are one and that being the spirit of anti-Christ. That's not what it says or adds up to . .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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