Christianity is Judaism?

[Guest skyla]

Had a discussion this weekend in which someone was bashing Christianity, stating that it "evolved" from Judaism. They mentioned the OT. I said it didn't, mentioned the NT as the main basis for Christianity, as well as Jesus eradicating most of the OT laws. What do you guys think?

[Guest shiloh357]

Had a discussion this weekend in which someone was bashing Christianity, stating that it "evolved" from Judaism.  They mentioned the OT.  I said it didn't, mentioned the NT as the main basis for Christianity, as well as Jesus eradicating most of the OT laws.  What do you guys think?

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Christianity did not "evolve" out of Judaism. Judaism, as the religion we know now, did not come into existance until 72 A.D. after the Temple was destroyed.

Christianity IS the product of the faith of the OT. The Christian faith finds its roots in the Israelite religion of the OT. The New Testament is written out of OT knowledege. The Apostles had only one set of Scriptures to preach from, the OT. The New Testament is written in the language of the Festivals and the Sacrificial system of the OT.

Jesus did not eradicate the OT laws, but rather he brought them to fuller expression. The OT were created by God, and Jesus as God has no reason to eradicate them. They are not Jewish laws, they are God's. The OT commandments were never the problem. What Jesus came against was the extra-biblical laws and commandments that some of the Pharisiees had created and made more important the Word of God, and the hypocritial ways they enforced them.

[Old Timer]

Shiloh, this caught my interest:

Judaism, as the religion we know now, did not come into existence until 72 A.D. after the Temple was destroyed.

I am not looking for an argument but for information. Can you explain a bit more fully?

When the OT prophets chastised Israel and Judah for turning from God I have understood this as turning from the law of Moses unto other gods. If this is correct, how was this different after 72AD?

Thanks.

[Guest shiloh357]

Shiloh, this caught my interest:

Judaism, as the religion we know now, did not come into existence until 72 A.D. after the Temple was destroyed.

I am not looking for an argument but for information. Can you explain a bit more fully?

When the OT prophets chastised Israel and Judah for turning from God I have understood this as turning from the law of Moses unto other gods. If this is correct, how was this different after 72AD?

Thanks.

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After the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D., it became necessary to define "Jewishness" without the Temple. In 72 .A.D., under the leadership of Rabbi Yochanon Ben Zakkai, in a city called Yavneh, it was decided that the works of the Torah would take the place of the Sacrifices. Until the destruction of the Temple the Israelite faith was centered around the Temple, and the question arose as to how they would carry on the faith with the absence of the Temple.

The Pharisees were the only religious group outside of the Messianic Jews who survived the destruction of the Temple. It was at this time that Pharisaism became "Judaism." The modern Rabbis are the academic descendents of the Pharisees.

Christianity's Jewish roots are to be found deep within the Tanach (OT). Not that one cannot have a modern Jewish expression of faith in Yeshua; they just need to keep the focus on Him, and not treat the traditions as an end unto themselves.

[Old Timer]

Shiloh, thank you.

That explains a recent conversation I had with a Messianic Jew. I asked her what present day Jews believed as to the departed, those who have died. She answered that they believe they go to heaven or hell based on the good they have done. Very like Islam.

She made a most interesting comment. When Moses gave instructions as to marking the door posts at the start of the exodus, he didn

[Joe@actsii]

I have nothing to add at this time, I just wanted to say that this is very interesting and informative. Thank you for the 411.

[Guest shiloh357]

Shiloh, thank you.

That explains a recent conversation I had with a Messianic Jew. I asked her what present day Jews believed as to the departed, those who have died. She answered that they believe they go to heaven or hell based on the good they have done. Very like Islam.

She made a most interesting comment. When Moses gave instructions as to marking the door posts at the start of the exodus, he didn

[Avodah]

I have nothing to add at this time, I just wanted to say that this is very interesting and informative. Thank you for the 411.

Ditto

[Old Timer]

Shiloh, one more question. I leaned today from our pastor that the Jew

[other one]

We might want to keep in mind that the Lord was not very pleased with the Pharisees