Guest JAR61 Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 The Roman Catholic Mass: The Mass is for the dead....and I agree that they keep "re-sacrificing" Jesus in how they celebrate the Mass for the Dead. That is why in Catholic Churches Christ is on the cross while in non-Catholic Churches he is off the cross. One commemorates his death and suffering the Other his resurrection and life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiosh Posted September 20, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 20, 2005 Feel free to call me a liar if it makes you feel better about the security of your own salvation. I know that I am telling the truth, so my conscience is clear. I'm not calling you a liar- the Bible is To be more accurate, your particular interpretation of the Bible is. The majority of Christians do not interpret the Bible this way. Ah - but I forgot - they are obviously not True Christians, are they. Just like I cannot have been a True Christian. No- you were never a Christian therefore you are not an heir to His Kingdom. YOU are the one who believes that you were a Christian. So what you are saying is that when I got down on my knees and sincerely prayed, asking the Lord Jesus to save me, he didn't do so - and instead I was merely deceived (by whom? Satan?) into thinking he had... That when I felt him enter my heart and I broke down in tears, that wasn't him.. That during the years that I could feel his presence and had a special relationship with him, it wasn't him... That the 'fruits' of my Christianity were no such thing... That all the times he 'convicted' me and the spirit led me, it wasn't them... So I have two questions for you and your Once Saved Always Saved theology. Why did Jesus not come into my heart and give me salvation when I sincerely begged him to? Why did he choose to stay away from me and let me be deceived instead? If I was able to spend years thinking that I was saved and having a personal relationship with Jesus - but it turns out that I was being deceived for all that time - how do you know that you are not also being deceived in the same way? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I believe you T A. And I'm moved by your gut-wrenching honesty. Maybe you're not "lost". Maybe you are only going thru the "desert". I think He's still with you............waiting. Peace, Felicia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomotalking Posted September 20, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,838 Content Per Day: 0.40 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1991 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Anyone say desert. Hmmmmm......it sadly sounds familuar..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jlo23_1214 Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Feel free to call me a liar if it makes you feel better about the security of your own salvation. I know that I am telling the truth, so my conscience is clear. I'm not calling you a liar- the Bible is To be more accurate, your particular interpretation of the Bible is. The majority of Christians do not interpret the Bible this way. Ah - but I forgot - they are obviously not True Christians, are they. Just like I cannot have been a True Christian. No- you were never a Christian therefore you are not an heir to His Kingdom. YOU are the one who believes that you were a Christian. So what you are saying is that when I got down on my knees and sincerely prayed, asking the Lord Jesus to save me, he didn't do so - and instead I was merely deceived (by whom? Satan?) into thinking he had... That when I felt him enter my heart and I broke down in tears, that wasn't him.. That during the years that I could feel his presence and had a special relationship with him, it wasn't him... That the 'fruits' of my Christianity were no such thing... That all the times he 'convicted' me and the spirit led me, it wasn't them... So I have two questions for you and your Once Saved Always Saved theology. Why did Jesus not come into my heart and give me salvation when I sincerely begged him to? Why did he choose to stay away from me and let me be deceived instead? If I was able to spend years thinking that I was saved and having a personal relationship with Jesus - but it turns out that I was being deceived for all that time - how do you know that you are not also being deceived in the same way? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I believe you T A. And I'm moved by your gut-wrenching honesty. Maybe you're not "lost". Maybe you are only going thru the "desert". I think He's still with you............waiting. Peace, Felicia <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree. If you have professed to have believed in God before and experienced everything as you described, I will not judge you. I too believe you have wandered and God is leading you back to him. He led you here didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest crystalbean19 Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 I am myself, but I am having a hard time putting the faith infront of the facts. I need to find the faith I once had and here I can hear bible based facts and make up my own mind. I'm not here to say whose right and who's wrong. But I here to do alittle research. -crystal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerioke Posted September 21, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,850 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1911 Share Posted September 21, 2005 I have a friend who is an atheist who told me that he envied me because of my faith, He wanted to believe, but he couldn't wrap his mind around the whole concept. I guess that would be an example of the flesh overwhelming the spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiosh Posted September 21, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2005 you could almost say that every time we sin we are a-theistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestTossed Posted September 25, 2005 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 52 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/12/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/08/1983 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Atheists go to Christian boards for many different reasons. I have seen this question asked on several different apologetics boards and Christian chat rooms. And it doesn't matter what answers the atheists give. The single answer that the Christians are going to BELIEVE is that God is somehow drawing atheists to Christian forums and chat rooms. Why ask the question if you have already made up your mind? Just say it outright: God has brought you here, Mr. Atheist. I would prefer that over a fake question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs Posted September 25, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 45 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,081 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/13/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2005 I have a friend who is an atheist who told me that he envied me because of my faith, He wanted to believe, but he couldn't wrap his mind around the whole concept. I guess that would be an example of the flesh overwhelming the spirit. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would say its because faith and a relationship with God are spiritual, and the natural man cannot discern spiritual things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiosh Posted September 25, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,663 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/20/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 25, 2005 you could almost say that every time we sin we are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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