Who is Resurrected, and When?

[Uriah]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

It seems as though a great deal of importance is placed on the general resurrection of all who have died in Christ from the foundation of the world, and that is synonymous with the primary resurrection of Rev 20:4-5

How could this NOT be important? Or, what could be more important? (Luke 9:25)

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

Not much is ever taught about just being invited in to receive the inheritance prepared from the foundation of the world; the promised kingdom and, one assumes, life eternal.

There has been a tremendous amount of evangelism too. And weekly in many churches emphasize this. But in eschatology discussion circles, many there are plenty of other things that will be focused upon.

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

Then it's almost as if religion alludes through silence, or at least it's tacit at this point, to this idea; if you don't take part in the first resurrection one is simply cast into the lake of fire at the 2nd death, which is not true. 

I wonder about that. I wonder why that is.

You are right, because the scriptures show that ALL are resurrected and given a fair judgment according to the books of their works.

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

I wonder why religion demands all in Christ from all time are taken in the first resurrection to rule and reign and how that's a valid conclusion, and also why gaining the inheritance of the kingdom seems to be shoved in the trunk like something that isn't really necessary to talk about.

Demands? That's not what Jesus says, Rev 3:21-  To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. { to grant or permit one }

It seems to me that we are being shown that God invites us to experience HIM, holding nothing back!

One thing that isn't clear to me yet. Could you identify the nebulous "religion" term that is the source of things you posted.

 

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

I have certainly listened to the rhetoric. 

None of which shows whom shares in the primary resurrection and whom does not.

And the idea there are two separate resurrections called the 'primary resurrection' and the '2nd death', that are distinct from each other and separated by 1000 years, is pretty clear in Rev 20.

Dan 12:1-3 doesn't preclude the primary resurrection of Rev 20:4-5. Daniel is speaking to the 2nd resurrection where death has power and only some are found whose names are not in the Book of Life:

"And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

And Matt 25:

Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’

37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’

40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’

41Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’

45Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’

46And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

This judgement happens at the same time and is the 2nd resurrection where both the righteous and wicked are judged at court in tandem.

This is not the case with the first resurrection as we see no judgement there, only coming to life and ruling with Christ for 1000 years.

Just like in Rev 7 where we see the large group about the throne who have washed their robes in the blood of Christ, apart from any judgement, as they came out from within GT.

That shows us there are two quite distinct resurrections for distinct groups; and the righteous are saved in both. 

You Respond With Wilful "Disobedience" To Scriptural Truth

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

[Your closest friendnt]

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

Okay. You'll have to explain this because I don't understand your point here.

How does this prove the souls under the altar are the martyrs from the 1st century to today and that John the Baptist and Stephen are in that group?

Sure they were martyrs, but are they under the altar as we see in Rev 6? 

Maybe they are. Maybe they are not. That's what I would like to know.

 

Who is a martyr for the testimony of the Gospel?

Stephen is a martyr for the testimony of Jesus but not John the Baptist.  

Above are the statement and now the reasons to support the above statements. 

Stephen died after the Cross by stoning because of his testimony of the Gospel, because he stood firm till the end for what he believed. He died as a heir of Jesus who was in Heaven and sited at the right of God on God's Throne at the time of his death. Stephen was not beheaded.  

James one of the twelve also died for what he believed and he stood firm till the end for the testimony of Jesus...Herod order him to die by  the Sword. We do not have any details of what took place as we do with John the Baptist.  

James died during the Gospel times for what he believed.  

If we knew how the order to die by the Sword was executed at that time, then we would be able to say if he was beheaded or not...

 The order was not to die by beheading...but to die by the Sword.

James also endured till the death and he died for the testimony of Jesus. And was a heir of Jesus who was in Heaven and whom God had made him Lord and Judge over all. 

Both Stephen and James were overcomers and they did not bow down to the beast and his Image and they died in Jesus, they were heirs of Heaven. 

At death they could not be separated from their Heavenly Inheritance and Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Father because they were one with them.  

This was made possible because their earthly body died and they were free from it. At the death of their earthly body they went to be with their Patriarch, their Patriarch of Life Jesus Christ. 

They were in him in his righteousness and in his eternal Life. In his Inheritance. 

John the Baptist died before the Cross...and at the time of his death he was a heir of Abraham and he was gathered to Abraham to where he was, in Sheol. Lucky for him he was not in Hades. This is what was in place at the time of his death before the Cross...what happened to them after the Cross it is another discussion...this is it at his death John the Baptist was gathered to Abraham his Patriarch.  

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

You Respond With Wilful "Disobedience" To Scriptural Truth

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The resurrection to Life...

Those who are in Jesus are in the eternal Life of Jesus and in his righteousness they cannot not die no matter what. 

I am not being rude, but for them to die again,

(hope we both think the same thing that we are talking about the spiritual death...that came to man through Adam...)

Jesus has to die spiritually and stopped being in the Life of the Heavenly Father and stopped being righteous and in full obedience to the Father...and that has to happen to where he is now in Heaven. Then when he dies Spiritually we who are in him will die with him...whether we are in Heaven or on earth at that time, but this will never Happen...this is why we are secured in him for all eternity...

The resurrection to Life...

For us who are born in the Life of Jesus Christ because we are the seed of at least one of our parents who was in the Life at the time of our conception...which means we were never in death to begin with, there is one thing left for us to remain in the Life of Jesus by keep on believing.  

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[Retrobyter]

42 minutes ago, Uriah said:

How could this NOT be important? Or, what could be more important? (Luke 9:25)

There has been a tremendous amount of evangelism too. And weekly in many churches emphasize this. But in eschatology discussion circles, many there are plenty of other things that will be focused upon.

You are right, because the scriptures show that ALL are resurrected and given a fair judgment according to the books of their works.

Demands? That's not what Jesus says, Rev 3:21-  To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. { to grant or permit one }

It seems to me that we are being shown that God invites us to experience HIM, holding nothing back!

One thing that isn't clear to me yet. Could you identify the nebulous "religion" term that is the source of things you posted.

 

 

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

You Respond With Wilful "Disobedience" To Scriptural Truth

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Shalom, truth7t7.

If you want to talk about "Wilful 'Disobedience' To Scriptural Truth," let's talk!

First, although there ARE two Resurrections in the last times, the last 1000-year Day, you are GREATLY mistaken to think they happen on the same, literal, 24-hour day! While they DO happen within the 1,000 years of each other, there IS a thousand-year period between them! For you not to recognize that is a GREAT error, because in doing so, you've ruled out the first 1,000 years of the Messiah's Reign!

The "church" does NOT replace Israel! The children of Israel were promised a Kingdom ruled over by the Ultimate Messiah, the Son of David, Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus"), and God will KEEP HIS PROMISE! What good would a PROMISE be, if He did NOT keep it?! YHWH God gave David a PROMISE - indeed, He made a COVENTANT with David!

2 Samuel 7:4-17 (KJV)

4 And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying, 

5 "Go and tell my servant David,

"'Thus saith the LORD,

"'"Shalt THOU build ME an house for me to dwell in? 6 Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. 7 In all the places wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, 'Why build ye not me an house of cedar?'"'

8 "Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David,

"'Thus saith the LORD of hosts,

"'"I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel: 9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth. 10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, 11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies."

"'Also the LORD telleth thee that HE will make THEE an house. 

12 "'"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity (If He be twisted into iniquity), I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men (the Crucifixion): 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever."'"

17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

GaVri'eel ("Gabriel") reinforced this COVENANT with Yeeshuwa`s mother, Miryam ("Mary"):

Luke 1:30-33 (KJV)

30 And the angel (Gabriel) said unto her,

"Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob (that's the children of Israel, not the "church!") for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end!"

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

READ what you quoted here! "Shall be" is FUTURE TENSE! So is "shall reign!" And, the same is true in the Greek text: "esontai" is FUTURE TENSE! So is "basileusousin!" Kinda hard to do if (1) there's no one for whom they should intercede as a priest and if (2) there's no one over whom to reign!

Remember the NEED for 1,000 years:

2 Peter 3:8-9 (KJV)

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

THAT'S why there is a gap of 1,000 years between these resurrections! It gives the wicked more time to "come to repentance!"

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Daniel 12:2 doesn't say how much time may be between these resurrections; it just mentions them together!

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Yeeshuwa` also did not mention how much time would be between these resurrections; He, too, just mentioned them together!

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

I know you can't accept it (why, I don't know, except for prejudice), but again, this is a 1,000-year Day! The Messiah of God is called "the SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Malachi 4:2) and He appears ...

Revelation 1:13-16 (KJV)

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. 16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance (Greek: opsis = "face") was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Consider the Transfiguration:

Matthew 16:24-17:13 (KJV)

24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples,

"If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For THE SON OF MAN SHALL COME IN THE GLORY OF HIS FATHER WITH HIS ANGELS; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here (namely Peter, James, and John), which shall not taste of death, TILL THEY SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN HIS KINGDOM."

1 And after six days JESUS taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And WAS TRANSFIGURED BEFORE THEM: and HIS FACE DID SHINE AS THE SUN, and HIS RAIMENT WAS WHITE AS THE LIGHT. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus,

"Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias."

5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said,

"THIS is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye HIM!"

6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying,

"Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead."

10 And his disciples asked him, saying,

"Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?"

11 And Jesus answered and said unto them,

"Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them."

13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

This was a VISION OF THE MESSIAH IN THE FUTURE that God shared with Kefa ("Peter"), Ya`aqoV ("James"), and Yochanan ("John")!

 

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

You really need to see this the way it was written! STOP writing them as verses, for starters! Verse numbers are FICTION! They and chapter numbers were invented as a means by which to reference the statements made by the authors. They are simply identifiers by which one can find them easier! They tried to break verses into sentences and patterns in the original texts, but they OFTEN fell short of the intent of the author!

I'll give it to you again: There are actually THREE IMPORTANT RESURRECTIONS listed here!

The "zeroeth" Resurrection - the Firstfruits - was that of the Lord Yeeshuwa` Himself, and BY Himself, as well.

The First Resurrection will occur "at Christ's coming."

The Second Resurrection occurs at "the end, when He shall have delivered up the Kingdom to God, even the Father, when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power."

Now, what's important to understand is that this Kingdom that He delivers to His Father is the Kingdom of the Messiah. When it changes hands, so to speak, it becomes the Kingdom of the Father.

This is what Yeeshuwa` was talking about in Matthew 13:

Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43 (KJV)

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,

"The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him,

"'Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?'

28 "He said unto them,

"'An enemy hath done this.'

"The servants said unto him,

"'Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?'

29 "But he said,

"'Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."'"
...

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying,

"Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."

37 He answered and said unto them,

"He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38
The field is the world (Greek: kosmos = "world-system");
the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but
the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39
The enemy that sowed them is the devil;
the harvest is the end of the world (Greek: aioonos = "age"); and
the reapers are the angels. 

40 "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

This is one of the easiest parables to understand because Yeeshuwa` gave us seven elements in the parable!

Simply substitute the elements into the original parable:

"The kingdom of heaven is likened unto the Son of man which sowed the children of the kingdom in his world (Greek: kosmos = "world-system"): 25 But while men slept, the devil came and sowed the children of the wicked one among the children of the kingdom, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the children of the wicked one also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him,

"'Sir, didst not thou sow the children of the kingdom in thy field? from whence then hath it the children of the wicked one?'

28 "He said unto them,

"'The devil hath done this.'

"The servants said unto him,

"'Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?'

29 "But he said,

"'Nay; lest while ye gather up the children of the wicked one, ye root up also the children of the kingdom with them. 30 Let both grow together until the end of the world (Greek: aioonos = "age"): and in the time of the end of the world (Greek: aioonos = "age") I will say to the angels, "Gather ye together first the children of the wicked one, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the children of the kingdom into my barn."'"

Then, add the explanation:

40 "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather OUT OF HIS KINGDOM all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun IN THE KINGDOM OF THEIR FATHER. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

 

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

This will be at the Great White Throne Judgment! The Judgment on the evil ones, the unjust!

I hope you take the time to follow this logic. It will help you!

[Diaste]

20 hours ago, Selah7 said:

I believe that the millennium is designed for those who never knew Jesus for whatever reason.  

I also believe that the righteous will not be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment because they have already overcome and have already received eternal life.  The GWTJ is for those who were taught the Truth during the millennium to see whether or not they would  choose to follow Jesus.  Those who choose Jesus after this 1,000-year period are good to go.  This is the second resurrection.  Those who do not choose Jesus, into the Lake of Fire they will go.  

Personal belief doesn't make it so. Can we stick with what is written and deduce from there?

[Selah7]

12 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Personal belief doesn't make it so. Can we stick with what is written and deduce from there?

It’s written. 

[Diaste]

20 hours ago, Uriah said:

How could this NOT be important? Or, what could be more important? (Luke 9:25)

20 hours ago, Uriah said:

  23 hours ago, Diaste said:

It seems as though a great deal of importance is placed on the general resurrection of all who have died in Christ from the foundation of the world, and that is synonymous with the primary resurrection of Rev 20:4-5

 

I wasn't really asking a question. I made a statement comparing ALL the dead in Christ in a general resurrection synonymous with the primary resurrection. I wasn't gauging levels of importance.

20 hours ago, Uriah said:

There has been a tremendous amount of evangelism too. And weekly in many churches emphasize this. But in eschatology discussion circles, many there are plenty of other things that will be focused upon.

What I mean is the focus of the resurrection seems to be 'rule and reign' when the resurrection is taught in whatever circle. Like saying if that element isn't there then it's not a resurrection to life. I heard it many times; the only resurrection to life is the 1st resurrection and the 2nd resurrection is where everyone is thrown in the lake of fire. The question is why the focus on ruling and reigning as if that is the only valid resurrection and no thought is applied to just inheriting the kingdom like in Matt 25?

20 hours ago, Uriah said:

Demands? That's not what Jesus says, Rev 3:21-  To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. { to grant or permit one }

It seems to me that we are being shown that God invites us to experience HIM, holding nothing back!

Sure, but that misses the point I'm making.

20 hours ago, Uriah said:

One thing that isn't clear to me yet. Could you identify the nebulous "religion" term that is the source of things you posted.

Religion: a man construct. mankind's way of approaching, pleasing or appeasing God. An all encompassing term including all teaching of mankind concerning God and His ways apart from faith.

You know, the ones that talk a lot but never listen?

[Diaste]

6 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

It’s written. 

Well, you didn't post any references and instead said, "I believe..." I'm asking for the written evidence. Your beliefs aren't important; I want to hear from God, Jesus the Spirit through what is written.

[Selah7]

1 minute ago, Diaste said:

Well, you didn't post any references and instead said, "I believe..." I'm asking for the written evidence. Your beliefs aren't important; I want to hear from God, Jesus the Spirit through what is written.

I’ve posted much scripture for you, but you are never convinced by any of it.  You need to study these questions you have on your own, Diaste.   and with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.  Dig it out, okay?  Let God reveal His Word to you.  

Now I’ve got my own Bible study awaiting.  God bless.