Who is Resurrected, and When?

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

The verses don't say that all resurrections take place at the same time.  Only that there will a resurrection of saved and unsaved.

Impossible!  There will be a 1,000 year gap between them.  Rev 20 is clear on that.

Occurs "when He comes" back at the Second Advent.  1 Cor 15:23

The first resurrection is for the saved.  Rev 20:4 is very clear.  Not arguable. 

This verse specifically refers to unblievers who have 'rejected' Christ.  They will be resurrected 1,000 years AFTER the saved are resurrected, which will be "when He comes" which is the Second Advent.  The two resurrections are 1,000 years apart.

I Strongly Disagree, there won't be a Millennial Kingdom on earth after the great tribulation and second coming of Jesus Christ

There won't be a 1,000 year gap between resurrections as you claim, you act as if the explanation in scripture below doesn't exist

(Scripture, In Perfect Agreement)

1. John 5:28-29 states "All That Are In The Graves" shall come forth "All"

2. Daniel 12:1-2 puts the timing of this resurrection at the time of "The Great Tribulation" and final judgment "Written In The Book" 

3. John 6:39-40 puts this resurrection at "The Last Day"

4. 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 puts this resurrection at "Christ at His Coming" "Then Cometh The End"

Edited January 20, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

22 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

I've explained all this.  You have no defense against Rev 20:4-6 which refutes your view.

Our of curiosity, how do you explain Rev 20 then?

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Edited January 20, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

25 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

I've explained all this.  You have no defense against Rev 20:4-6 which refutes your view.

Our of curiosity, how do you explain Rev 20 then?

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

[Justin Adams]

1 hour ago, truth7t7 said:

And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Some of what you say is correct in my mind. We are and have been in the mil period now until the end (the church age maybe). No future mil exists.

Revelation is both recapitualtion and allegory with a little literal chronolgy included. But the end is sure.

When the Devil is released (along with the restrained Watchers) all the nations hostile to Israel (new and past) will surround Mt. Zion and the "har-mo-ede" (falsly called armageddon) will occur. God will smash them by fire and the Sword in the mouth of Messia (Yeshua/Jesus) will kill every last one of them.

The chaos monsters are eliminated and consumed at the 'feast of the Lord'.

Then the new Heaven on earth will begin when God recreates it again like Eden.

[FreeGrace]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

I Strongly Disagree, there won't be a Millennial Kingdom on earth after the great tribulation and second coming of Jesus Christ

There won't be a 1,000 year gap between resurrections as you claim, you act as if the explanation in scripture below doesn't exist

I claim what the Bible claims.  Rev 20 is very clear.  I'm sorry you choose to sidestep that chapter.

[FreeGrace]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?

2.) Physical Earthly Throne?

3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

Again, Rev 20 is written very clearly literal.  You are free to "spiritualize" the chapter but I won't.  

Where does Jesus 'rule the nations with a rod of iron' in your spiritual idea?

[FreeGrace]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

I think we're done here.  Rev 20 is literal, not "spiritual".  I take the words as written.

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Uriah said:

Sorry but ya got me on this one. I was unaware that "the DEAD in Christ" "go to hell".

Tell me more.

ALL THE DEAD DESCEND AND GO TO HELL.  

ALL THE LIVING NEVER DIE AND ASCEND BECAUSE THEY FOLLOW HIM.  



"But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matthew 8:22 KJV


"Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me." Luke 18:22 KJV


"If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour." John 12:26 KJV


"Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards." John 13:36 KJV


"This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me." John 21:19 KJV

"These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb." Revelation 14:4 KJV

 

24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
THAT IS WHAT MARTHA SAID, MARTHA BEING UNDER THE OLD COVENANT


THIS IS HIS REPLY TO THOSE WHO DIED UNDER THE OLD COVENANT

25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:


AND THIS IS FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE UNDER THE NEW COVENANT OF GRACE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS OF SIN AND DEATH BUT NOW FORGIVENESS OF SIN AND ETERNAL LIFE

26And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Its a simple question.  One EITHER believes it with all their heart mind and soul or they don't.  

But the simple fact of the matter is SOMEONE WHO NEVER DIES will never go to the place where THE DEAD go.

Those who are of FAITH, wish to attain to the resurrection of the dead which is to NEVER DIE, to follow Him, to go be where He is, to go to the place He went to prepare for us, to ASCEND in life, to walk in the newness of life, to be raised in incorruption, to be raised up a spiritual body, to have Him come to us and be brought to the Father, to go to heaven and be judged at the seat of Christ as one who has been SAVED from death and destruction, NOT STARTING LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD AT A FUTURE DATE

BUT WHILE YOU YET LIVE YOU NEVER DIE having ALREADY died and risen with Him and are going to be brought back WITH HIM

not to receive some corpse/carcass from the corruption of the earth, that has been decomposing, rotting AWAY.  

No, this body sown produces the seed to which GOD GIVES A BODY and to every seed a body.  That isn't at a later date.  WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE 'GLORIOUS' OR GLORIFIED COMING UP OUT OF THE CORRUPTION OF THE EARTH????  NOTHING.
 

36Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

37Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.

HE HAS GOT TO DO HIS WORK AND DIE HIMSELF BEFORE HE CAN FOLLOW HIM BUT HE FOLLOWED HIM 2000 YEARS AGO.  HE HASN'T BEEN DEAD AND WAITING TO BE RAISED UP WITH THE DEAD WHO RISE WHEN CHRIST RETURNS.  


What do the 'saved' know that the UNSAVED DON'T?  
 

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

NOT SENDING OUT A BUNCH OF ANGELS TO GATHER FROM ONE END OF THE HEAVENS TO THE OTHER OR THE EARTH BUT TO HIMSELF
 

4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

What the UNSAVED don't know is

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There isn't some other 'meaning'.  The words aren't all off as to direction and time.  

which is a different resurrection then those who resurrect out from the dead better said out from the corruption of the earth, grave, hell, death, hades, sheol, descend, where the dead who bury the DEAD go upon the death of their flesh.  


THE DEAD DESCEND.  The dead are in bondage to death.  The dead are held captive.  The dead don't follow Him to the place He prepared.  The dead don't know the way.  The dead don't know the resurrection.  

THE DEAD stay in the graves, in hell, in death UNTIL CHRIST RETURNS
AND THEN IT IS THE DEAD WHO RISE, 

HERE READ IT AGAIN 

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

SOMEONE WHO NEVER DIES IS NEVER DEAD.  NOTHING ELSE CAN BE SAID.  EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS, TRYING TO EXPLAIN HOW IT IS POSSIBLE, IS NOTHING MORE THAN SMOKE AND MIRRORS.  SORRY TO BE SO BLUNT BUT THE OTHER WAY ISN'T WORKING

BUT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MATTER AS IT IS JUST A PART OF THE BIG WAVE OF THOUGHT HAPPENING TODAY.  NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN WHY THEY BELIEVE IT, MUCH LESS HOW IT WOULD WORK AND NO ONE CARES.  AS LONG AS THEY CAN GET EVERYONE TO NOT WORRY ABOUT THAT LITTLE STICKING POINT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT THE CURRENTLY BELIEVE.

IF YOU NEED TO REPLY FOR YOUR OWN PEACE OF MIND GO AHEAD, BUT EVERYTHING YOU ARE ABOUT TO SAY I HAVE ALREADY HEARD FROM SOMEONE ELSE AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO COME UP WITH ANY SCRIPTURE AS I HAVE SCRIPTURE FOR EVERYTHING PUT FORTH HERE.

PLEASE EXCUSE THE CAPTIAL LETTERS, JUST TO TIRED TO GO BACK AND RETYPE IT ALL.  NOT YELLING

AND IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO DO THE LAST DAY THING 

THIS IS SPEAKING TO A SPECIFIC DAY, THE LAST DAY, EVERYTHING IN THE CHAPTER DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS DAY.  THIS LAST DAY AND THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN DO NOT DICTITATE EVERYDAY UP UNTIL THAT LAST DAY AS EVERYONE SEEMS TO TEACH IT DOES. 

IT DOESN'T GO RETROACTIVE TO THE WHOLE CHAPTER. IF THIS APPLIED TO EVERYTHING IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN FIRST AND WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A MYSTERY.  
 

51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

[Uriah]

29 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

ALL THE DEAD DESCEND AND GO TO HELL

John 5:24- Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is  passed from death unto life.

A believer, at death, because of the timelessness of God is essentially moved forward in time to meet the Lord in the air and obtain a new body.

Those O.T people will do the same because they are said to be "led captive" by Jesus and is supposed to mean they will treated the same.

Heb 11:39- And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

Heb 11:40- God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us, that  they without us should not be made perfect.

Of course, physical bodies are in the grave called sheol/hell but they be changed when Jesus comes.

 

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Again, Rev 20 is written very clearly literal.  You are free to "spiritualize" the chapter but I won't.  

Where does Jesus 'rule the nations with a rod of iron' in your spiritual idea?

Jesus rules with rod of iron in "Destruction" of the wicked, as a potter "Destroys" his clay vessels,this takes place at his second coming

Many falsely believe and teach Jesus will rule from a throne with a rod of iron, "Laughable"

Revelation 19:15 KJV

19 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.