Who is Resurrected, and When?

[Selah7]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yes. That's what is taught. However, when I read Rev 7 I can't get past the fact these are said by the elder to have come out of GT.

The only GT I know of which is associated with the end of the age, the coming of Jesus and, the gathering of the elect, is the GT Jesus spoke about in the Olivet Discourse. 

If you know of another do please share the scriptures. 

Thanks.

We know that the Great Tribulation saints will go through the First Resurrection. Let’s add Daniel 12:1-2 to the mix and at least consider that every believer, from the time of Adam until the Second Coming of Christ, will be resurrected on the Day of the Lord. 

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

- Daniel 12:1-2 (KJV)

What are your thoughts?

 

[Uriah]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

it wouldn't matter

But everything in the word of God matters.

Rev 7:13-14 and Rev 20:4-6 define certain groups, 1 Thes 4:15 defines the rest. Also, the totality is clearly and concisely shown in:

Rev 11:8- And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

This is taking place at the 7th trumpet and matches Mat 25:31-46.  

[DeighAnn]

10 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

 

2 Timothy 2:18-19KJV

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

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[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

Yes. That's what is taught. However, when I read Rev 7 I can't get past the fact these are said by the elder to have come out of GT.

The only GT I know of which is associated with the end of the age, the coming of Jesus and, the gathering of the elect, is the GT Jesus spoke about in the Olivet Discourse. 

If you know of another do please share the scriptures. 

Thanks.

Here the tribulation isn't GREAT, yet it is unto death.  So does being cast into prison by the devil for 10 days tribulation not qualify as 'great' because 'great' isn't written even though it can be unto death?

"Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." Revelation 2:10 KJV



 

 

 

Edited January 21, 2023 by DeighAnn

[FreeGrace]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

Literally cannot be first in order.

[double click failed.  Literally IS first in order.  You even proved that when you copied and pasted from a lexicon.  The word "first" means that.  Less common usage is about importance.]

   Jesus was resurrected long before. The graves were opened and the saints arose when Jesus was resurrected. The two witnesses will be resurrected before the resurrection of Rev 20:4-6. Many resurrections happened over the course of time as recorded in the OT.

[Don't you realize that NONE of these were given resurrection glorified immortal bodies?  There is ONLY 1 time all believers will receive glorified bodies and that is the singular resurrection "when He comes", a reference the Second Advent, in 1 Cor 15:23.]

This term means 'chief' in the context.

[Sorry, but your opinion doesn't determine truth.  The Bible is clear about there being just two resurrections, one for the saved and one for the unsaved, and they are 1,000 years apart, by clear words in Rev 20.] 

Matt 25:31-46 plainly shows a time where both the justified and the unjustified appear at the same time, together, before Christ.

[I don't think you are reading the text correctly.  There is nothing to prove "at the same time", or any words to that effect.] 

Rev 20:13-15 is an IF, THEN algorithm, not a singular forgone conclusion of dire consequence.

[Prove this claim about the "if then algorithm" from the text.]

 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

[Don't you realize that NONE of these were given resurrection glorified immortal bodies?  There is ONLY 1 time all believers will receive glorified bodies and that is the singular resurrection "when He comes", a reference the Second Advent, in 1 Cor 15:23.]

How could anyone REALIZE that when that isn't written?  

WHERE is it written that ONLY ONE TIME will all believers receive a glorified body? 

(in GODS WORDS, not yours) and there is one a singular resurrection when it is written BOTH?



"If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour Him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure,
nor speaking thine own words:" Isaiah 58:13 KJV


Is it at all possible to produce A SINGLE VERSE of Scripture 

that states 
WE ARE NOT RAISED UP IN A BODY AND WE ARE NOT RAISED UP IN GLORY



Since it is WRITTEN as to how the 
the 'RAISING UP' 'resurrection' 'ASCENDING TO HEAVEN' goes
 

So also is the resurrection of the dead.

It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:

it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


How can we be RAISED UP to be with the Lord WITHOUT A BODY, when it is written we are RAISED UP IN A BODY? 

How can we NOT be RAISED UP in a glorified body, when it is written WE ARE RAISED IN GLORY?

HOW CAN THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS WRITTEN be put forth as Gods Truth?

 

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

[Sorry, but your opinion doesn't determine truth.

Ain't that the truth

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

[I don't think you are reading the text correctly.  There is nothing to prove "at the same time", or any words to that effect.] 

both

[truth7t7]

10 hours ago, Diaste said:

I didn't say that. What I did say:

 

I'm saying Rev 7 and 20 define concisely who is resurrected at the 2nd advent and clarifies and does not contradict any scripture in the rest of the NT concerning the gathering of the elect and the primary resurrection.

What I think matters most is that we enter eternity in the kingdom. 

I would explain that by saying Jesus is the one with all power and authority in heaven and earth and He can do as He sees fit and He doesn't have to explain His every action to anyone if He doesn't think it's required. 

If He thinks the 12 should rule over Israel forever then that's His prerogative. Can He do that when and how He desires to do it? Yes. Does installing the 12 depend on any other circumstance, action, scenario, by anyone alive or dead across the known universe and throughout time? No. 

Is the primary resurrection the only resurrection where the saved are translated and rewarded and inherit the kingdom. No. There are many examples of this throughout the Bible. 

It's not the 'first' resurrection as in "first in order and no previous resurrection". It's not at the very top like a hierarchy. It's first as in principal, foremost, importance.

I'm not saying a person or group could not be resurrected at any time no matter their standing, attributes, circumstances, or the time in which they existed. There are special cases that are not the norm, exceptions that prove the rule, extant circumstance, needs based, special rewards, etc.; and none violate or contradict the overarching truth and facts.

An example is the saints that were resurrected when Jesus was resurrected. 

What I'm looking to discuss is the scripture that identifies those taken up in the primary resurrection at the 2nd Advent of Jesus Christ as depicted in the Olivet Discourse and in Rev 7 and 20.

So again, Who is Resurrected and When?

If you have scripture that clearly identifies those resurrected in the primary resurrection as every believer from all time; and it's a clearly defined description like in Rev 7:13-14 and Rev 20:4, I would very much like to see it. 

There are (Two) resurrections on the (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second Death) resurrection has no power.

1.) (First Resurrection) To Life

2.) (Second Death) Resurrection To Damnation

Revelation 20:6KJV

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

Daniel 12:1-2KJV

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29KJV

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

How could anyone REALIZE that when that isn't written?

[double click failed.  This is what I posted:  "

Don't you realize that NONE of these were given resurrection glorified immortal bodies?  There is ONLY 1 time all believers will receive glorified bodies and that is the singular resurrection "when He comes", a reference the Second Advent, in 1 Cor 15:23."  Do you not believe 1 Cor 15:23 or just don't understand it?  And that verse IS IS IS written.]  

WHERE is it written that ONLY ONE TIME will all believers receive a glorified body?

[1 Cor 15:23] 

(in GODS WORDS, not yours) and there is one a singular resurrection when it is written BOTH?

[This is a very confusing sentence.  Where "is "it is written BOTH"?  i don't even know what you are referring to.]

Is it at all possible to produce A SINGLE VERSE of Scripture that states 
WE ARE NOT RAISED UP IN A BODY AND WE ARE NOT RAISED UP IN GLORY

[Of course not.  Why even ask such a silly question?  1 Cor 15 DOES say we will be raised up in a body and raised in glory.]

Since it is WRITTEN as to how the 
the 'RAISING UP' 'resurrection' 'ASCENDING TO HEAVEN' goes

So also is the resurrection of the dead.
It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:
it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

[Yes, I've read 1 Cor 15 many many times.  What is your point?]

How can we be RAISED UP to be with the Lord WITHOUT A BODY, when it is written we are RAISED UP IN A BODY?

[I have no idea why you ask such questions.  Believers will be "raised up" with their resurrection body, of course.]

How can we NOT be RAISED UP in a glorified body, when it is written WE ARE RAISED IN GLORY?

HOW CAN THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS WRITTEN be put forth as Gods Truth?

Your questions are real stunners.  Seems you still have no idea what I believe and post.  Your questions are irrelevant since my posts have already answered your questions.

Why do you continue to ask the very same questions over and over?