The souls under the altar (Rev. 6:9-11); are they killed before or during the tribulation period?

[DeighAnn]

14 hours ago, The Light said:

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

If anyone says CHRIST IS HERE IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM BEFORE SATAN COMES
Don't believe them


Pre trib says Christ WILL COME before Satan
I DON'T BELIEVE THEM. 

somehow, by NOT BELIEVING what I am told NOT TO BELIEVE

IS TWISTED AND PUT FORTH FALSELY AS

I can't see or I don't understand

but I can see AND I do understand, I just don't agree with all the suppositions, speculations and assumptions leading to the conclusions that are clearly in direct contradiction WITH what is written.
Here are the facts put forth through what is written,
leaving OUT all the traditions of man.



5th SEAL HOW LONG UNTIL?   ...that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


HERE IS THE LITTLE SEASON when their FELLOWSERVANTS WILL BE KILLED,

WOE TO THE EARTH - 1st half system rises up from 'being hidden to the world' to coming into its own.  Satan influenced but no 'kings who haven't received a kingdom yet' but will 

right after the deadly wound to one part of it, is healed, which is when

6th SEAL  1260 DAYS  42 MONTHS count down

2 witnesses sent by GOD

SATAN AND ANGELS CAST OUT  -  like untimely figs

SUN IN SACKCLOTH  MOON AS BLOOD
WITNESSES IN SACKCLOTH

WAR OF THE PRINCIPALITIES

FINALLY, THE WHOLE WORLD DECEIVED,
abomination of desolation stands in holy place

2 witnesses killed

world celebrates!!!!

And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
 

And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

And I saw thrones, and THEY sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:


(IF the ARMIES clothed in fine linen, white and clean AREN'T those sitting upon the THRONES, then were did they GO?  Did they just up and VANISH? 

Who makes up the ARMIES from heaven?  Those who have GONE TO HEAVEN to be where He is. Those who LIKE JESUS DIED AND ROSE, did the same thing.  And NOW CHRIST is leading them back to earth, just like it is written

UNTIL SOMEONE CAN SHOW THAT TO BE IN ERROR, THEY would be the ones sitting upon the thrones and THAT IS where they GO. The army OF HEAVEN is made up of not only the SOULS under the altar who were waiting a little season, but all the saved who followed Him WHO RETURN WITH HIM TO BE PRIESTS FOR THE LORDS DAY)

and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


(IF THAT DOESN'T persuade that when we die we ascend, FOLLOWING HIM, in glorified bodies, to be where He is, then I don't know what will)

7TH SEAL IS OPENED -  and CHRIST HAS not yet COME TO THE EARTH

ANGELS HANDED TRUMPS


and only when the LAST TRUMP SOUNDS  

does CHRIST RETURN FOR THE DAY OF THE LORD


THE WORDS OF GOD DOCUMENTS ALL OF IT


THE WORDS OF GOD say WE ARE GATHERED AFTER THE WORKINGS OF SATAN.   

Do not be deceived for that DAY, THE DAY WE WILL BE GATHERED, doesn't come until after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Would it be right TO all those who were crucified rather than renounce their faith, for the 'church' to be spared GREAT tribulation?

Would it be right TO all those who died in prison rather than renounce their faith, for the church to be spared GREAT tribulation?

Would it be right TO all those who have been tortured, maimed, and humiliated rather than to renounce their faith, for the church to be spared GREAT tribulation.  

Would it be right to promise tribulation, to send out everyone as sheep amongst wolves, sheep to the slaughter, and THEN take a SINGLE GENERATION and spare them GREAT TRIBULATION?  

Is there a TRIBULATION GREATER than DEATH?  Haven't all who have been killed in the name of the Lord suffered GREAT TRIBULATION?  

Would it be right to have generation upon generation suffer persecution tribulation affliction and all the cruelties man can inflict, and SPARE ONE?

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

I can't think of a single thing about PRE TRIB that is right.  It flies in the face of all that is written and all we are promised.  


It seeks to save life, it promises life, AND IT IS ALL BASED UPON 

WHAT ISN'T WRITTEN.  Which MIGHT be ok if it wasn't so BLANTANTLY WRONG ON EVERY SINGLE LEVEL.  I can't find a single redeeming thought that comes from it. 

And look at what it produces.  KNOWINGLY FALSE ACCUSERS 

They HAVE COME TO believe they are WORTHY even though they REFUSE to pick up their cross and follow Him.

Doesn't matter that of all the generations that have ever been, theirs  WOULD BE DRESSED IN THE BEST GOSPEL ARMOR EVER before available. 

But they think GOD would best be served/represented by those who

BECOME believers BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY SEE AND FEAR,

those NOT ONLY LACKING FAITH and a LOVE AND DESIRE TO SERVE GOD

BUT also lacking all knowledge and wisdom of God that is required to NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

Somehow IT SEEMS RIGHT IN THEIR EYES FOR OTHERS to suffer GREAT TRIBULATION through out all history, but not them.  


Would seem the FINAL GENERATION under the NEW COVENANT isn't all that different than the final GENERATION under the OLD COVENANT. 

"And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Matthew 22:39 KJV

 

25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

making ALL CHRISTIANS, ISRAEL, the children of GOD



SO you prophets of ISRAEL


THIS MESSAGE IS TO YOU

1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts,

Hear ye the word of the LORD;

3Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!

4O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.

5Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.

6They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.

7Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?

SAYING IT IS OK THAT GOD DIDN'T SAY IT, ISN'T OK

8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.

9And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

10Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:

11Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.

12Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?

13Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it.

14So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

15Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it;

16To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD.



 

17Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,

18And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?




pre trib in a nut shell

19And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?


20Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

21Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

22Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

23Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

I am done here.  I have stood upon the wall AND SHOUTED OUT a warning.  


 

[The Light]

6 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

If anyone says CHRIST IS HERE IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM BEFORE SATAN COMES
Don't believe them


Pre trib says Christ WILL COME before Satan
I DON'T BELIEVE THEM. 

somehow, by NOT BELIEVING what I am told NOT TO BELIEVE

IS TWISTED AND PUT FORTH FALSELY AS

I can't see or I don't understand

but I can see AND I do understand, I just don't agree with all the suppositions, speculations and assumptions leading to the conclusions that are clearly in direct contradiction WITH what is written.
Here are the facts put forth through what is written,
leaving OUT all the traditions of man.



5th SEAL HOW LONG UNTIL?   ...that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


HERE IS THE LITTLE SEASON when their FELLOWSERVANTS WILL BE KILLED,

WOE TO THE EARTH - 1st half system rises up from 'being hidden to the world' to coming into its own.  Satan influenced but no 'kings who haven't received a kingdom yet' but will 

right after the deadly wound to one part of it, is healed, which is when

6th SEAL  1260 DAYS  42 MONTHS count down

2 witnesses sent by GOD

SATAN AND ANGELS CAST OUT  -  like untimely figs

SUN IN SACKCLOTH  MOON AS BLOOD
WITNESSES IN SACKCLOTH

WAR OF THE PRINCIPALITIES

FINALLY, THE WHOLE WORLD DECEIVED,
abomination of desolation stands in holy place

2 witnesses killed

world celebrates!!!!

And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
 

And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

And I saw thrones, and THEY sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:


(IF the ARMIES clothed in fine linen, white and clean AREN'T those sitting upon the THRONES, then were did they GO?  Did they just up and VANISH? 

Who makes up the ARMIES from heaven?  Those who have GONE TO HEAVEN to be where He is. Those who LIKE JESUS DIED AND ROSE, did the same thing.  And NOW CHRIST is leading them back to earth, just like it is written

UNTIL SOMEONE CAN SHOW THAT TO BE IN ERROR, THEY would be the ones sitting upon the thrones and THAT IS where they GO. The army OF HEAVEN is made up of not only the SOULS under the altar who were waiting a little season, but all the saved who followed Him WHO RETURN WITH HIM TO BE PRIESTS FOR THE LORDS DAY)

and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


(IF THAT DOESN'T persuade that when we die we ascend, FOLLOWING HIM, in glorified bodies, to be where He is, then I don't know what will)

7TH SEAL IS OPENED -  and CHRIST HAS not yet COME TO THE EARTH

ANGELS HANDED TRUMPS


and only when the LAST TRUMP SOUNDS  

does CHRIST RETURN FOR THE DAY OF THE LORD


THE WORDS OF GOD DOCUMENTS ALL OF IT


THE WORDS OF GOD say WE ARE GATHERED AFTER THE WORKINGS OF SATAN.   

Do not be deceived for that DAY, THE DAY WE WILL BE GATHERED, doesn't come until after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Would it be right TO all those who were crucified rather than renounce their faith, for the 'church' to be spared GREAT tribulation?

Would it be right TO all those who died in prison rather than renounce their faith, for the church to be spared GREAT tribulation?

Would it be right TO all those who have been tortured, maimed, and humiliated rather than to renounce their faith, for the church to be spared GREAT tribulation.  

Would it be right to promise tribulation, to send out everyone as sheep amongst wolves, sheep to the slaughter, and THEN take a SINGLE GENERATION and spare them GREAT TRIBULATION?  

Is there a TRIBULATION GREATER than DEATH?  Haven't all who have been killed in the name of the Lord suffered GREAT TRIBULATION?  

Would it be right to have generation upon generation suffer persecution tribulation affliction and all the cruelties man can inflict, and SPARE ONE?

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

I can't think of a single thing about PRE TRIB that is right.  It flies in the face of all that is written and all we are promised.  


It seeks to save life, it promises life, AND IT IS ALL BASED UPON 

WHAT ISN'T WRITTEN.  Which MIGHT be ok if it wasn't so BLANTANTLY WRONG ON EVERY SINGLE LEVEL.  I can't find a single redeeming thought that comes from it. 

And look at what it produces.  KNOWINGLY FALSE ACCUSERS 

They HAVE COME TO believe they are WORTHY even though they REFUSE to pick up their cross and follow Him.

Doesn't matter that of all the generations that have ever been, theirs  WOULD BE DRESSED IN THE BEST GOSPEL ARMOR EVER before available. 

But they think GOD would best be served/represented by those who

BECOME believers BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY SEE AND FEAR,

those NOT ONLY LACKING FAITH and a LOVE AND DESIRE TO SERVE GOD

BUT also lacking all knowledge and wisdom of God that is required to NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST

Somehow IT SEEMS RIGHT IN THEIR EYES FOR OTHERS to suffer GREAT TRIBULATION through out all history, but not them.  


Would seem the FINAL GENERATION under the NEW COVENANT isn't all that different than the final GENERATION under the OLD COVENANT. 

"And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Matthew 22:39 KJV

 

25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

making ALL CHRISTIANS, ISRAEL, the children of GOD



SO you prophets of ISRAEL


THIS MESSAGE IS TO YOU

1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts,

Hear ye the word of the LORD;

3Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!

4O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.

5Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.

6They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.

7Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?

SAYING IT IS OK THAT GOD DIDN'T SAY IT, ISN'T OK

8Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.

9And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

10Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:

11Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.

12Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?

13Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it.

14So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

15Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it;

16To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD.



 

17Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,

18And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?




pre trib in a nut shell

19And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?


20Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

21Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

22Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

23Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

I am done here.  I have stood upon the wall AND SHOUTED OUT a warning.  


 

LOL. They always run when the truth comes out. Every single time. I told you to forget about the pretribulation rapture. We are not talking about the pretribulation rapture. We are talking about whether or not Jesus comes at the 6th seal for the gathering from heaven and earth. Again, this has nothing to do with the pretribulation rapture.

Either Jesus comes at the 6th seal BEFORE wrath or He doesn't. You said that Jesus does not come at the 6th seal. The Word says He does.

THIS PROVES IT. The fact that you are unable to understand the following proves that you don't have a clue. All you do is post a plethora of out of context scriptures. Here are the scriptures IN CONTEXT.

Matthew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Are you able to read those verses in Matthew 24 and comprehend that Jesus comes in power and glory?

Are you able to comprehend the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars?

I have posted this so many times and still you are unable to get it.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Are you able to see the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars in Revelation 6. If Jesus comes in Matthew 24 when we see those cosmic signs you ought to be able to determine that JESUS COMES AT THE THE 6TH SEAL BEFORE WRATH.

Now explain to me why you are continually incapable of comprehending that Jesus returns at the 6th seal.

[kenny2212]

4 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

My vengeance for others was nailed on the Cross.  We are to ask for forgiveness for those who harm us, not revenge.   Their blood should have been avenged 2000 years ago when Jesus died on the Cross, not in the future.  Yet if they are not N.T. Believers filled with the Holy Spirit as we are, then they can ask for retribution.

In Christ

Montana Marv

So no reward for wrongdoing? One may forgive but God will still reward. Only repented deeds will not be rewarded. Forgiveness frees the victim, repentance frees the perpetrator.

[DeighAnn]

16 minutes ago, The Light said:

Either Jesus comes at the 6th seal BEFORE wrath or He doesn't. You said that Jesus does not come at the 6th seal. The Word says He does.

THIS PROVES IT. The fact that you are unable to understand the following proves that you don't have a clue. All you do is post a plethora of out of context scriptures. Here are the scriptures IN CONTEXT.

  Run?  have no fear


He is what you put forth. 

5th seal, souls under the altar, got a season left to go.
6th seal, Christ comes 

WITH THAT,  YOU HAVE CHRIST COMING TO KILL THE FELLOWSERVANTS



5th seal -  WAIT A LITTLE  season

6th seal - A LITTLE SEASON

7th seal - CHRIST RETURNS TO END THAT SEASON


YOUR TURN  


 

[DeighAnn]

40 minutes ago, The Light said:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days

THE TRIBULATION of those days IS THE 6TH SEAL
THE TRIBULATION of those days IS THE MOON AS BLOOD and when does the moon become blood?  BEFORE THE LORDS DAY
THE TRIBULATION of those days IS the SUN going into mourning
When the witness are killed


IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT TRIB that ENDS

WITH the two witnesses BEING  killed and heaven opening up

shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

HOW EXACTLY DOES ONE DISCONNECT THAT FROM THIS?
 

11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by DeighAnn

[Montana Marv]

31 minutes ago, kenny2212 said:

So no reward for wrongdoing? One may forgive but God will still reward. Only repented deeds will not be rewarded. Forgiveness frees the victim, repentance frees the perpetrator.

They are still elect, but not the elect of Israel or of N.T. Believers, not the elect of O.T. saints,  They are elect for a special time and a special purpose.

In Christ

Montana Marv