What does it mean that God is sovereign?

[kwikphilly]

13 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Wow! Six paragraphs, and no mention of the Son of God.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, 

All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 

If God were not sovereign, Christ's authority would be meaningless.

This is a testimony to the academic nature of so much theology, that men and women

would have the audacity to "hotly debate" such an essential principle. I don't even consider

the exercise to be truly Christian in nature. This is the secular humanism that invades the 

true doctrines of our faith.

Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power:

for You hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created.

Truth! Amen! Halleluyah!

Blessings

I'm really not sure what kind of reply you are hoping to find because my only response to what you have written here would be

I'm in Total agreement,it's what is Written- God's Truth!And ALL Glory to God Most High!

Also,I'm not a fan of GotQuestions.org. personally so I don't usually even read quotes from there anymore anyway - I'm more interested in dialogue with our members.Some things from that website are good while others are not imo

I wasn't ignoring your post,I thought it was thorough

[Mr. M]

5 minutes ago, Alive said:

I read your original post. Its loaded for bear.

:-)

Jesus is God and sovereign and I am sure MM agrees.

Jesus is the Son of God, and testifies Himself that His authority has been

given to Him by His Father. That is the testimony of many scriptures,

Trinity, or triune nature accepted, the authority originates with the Father.

If you continued, MM did not agree, instead she drove the conversation into

the semantics of Holy Trinity. I tried to graciously respond to her questioning,

while asking her to stick to her own topic, the exercise of authority as it

pertains to topic of sovereignty. She then argued semantics with kwik.

No one has correctly responded to the clear chain of authority that is

presented in scripture, that demonstrate that sovereignty originates

with the Father, and is delegated. Respectfully, James

[kwikphilly]

Also MrM,I don't see a problem with what you said in your OP and did not Receive that to insinuate Jesus any " less' Authoritative as Father God

If I may go back to the GodHead Triune for one moment- there are not 3 " different" person's but 3 " distinct" persons

If God Was not Sovereign then He Would not HAVE the Authority to Give so the statement is just what it is....

Now ,Jesus Has the Same Authority ... We must remember that though there are 3 distinct persons of the Triune GodHead - " they" are ONE God,not three!

In His Love,Kwik

[Mr. M]

7 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Also,I'm not a fan of GotQuestions.org. personally so I don't usually even read quotes from there anymore anyway - I'm more interested in dialogue with our members.Some things from that website are good while others are not imo

I wasn't ignoring your post,I thought it was thorough

Thanks, and I agree completely. All discussions should originate from posting

two or three scriptures, as directed by Torah, and then suggesting that those

scriptures mean whatever you feel the Spirit is saying to the Church. 

I would also suggest that as a hard and fast rule, responses should not be made

simply by the title of the thread, but after carefully reading what is stated in

the original post, especially the scriptures provided, and respond with your

understanding of the Word, not your reaction to the title.

[kwikphilly]

3 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Jesus is the Son of God, and testifies Himself that His authority has been

given to Him by His Father. That is the testimony of many scriptures,

Trinity, or triune nature accepted, the authority originates with the Father.

If you continued, MM did not agree, instead she drove the conversation into

the semantics of Holy Trinity. I tried to graciously respond to her questioning,

while asking her to stick to her own topic, the exercise of authority as it

pertains to topic of sovereignty. She then argued semantics with kwik.

No one has correctly responded to the clear chain of authority that is

presented in scripture, that demonstrate that sovereignty originates

with the Father, and is delegated. Respectfully, James

Now this here I cannot agree with,I'll try to explain why:

You are saying that Sovereignty originated with our Father..  that to me would imply that Father God is separate or different or even that He Existed Before or as Above Jesus and Holy Spirit...." They"are One and that cannot be- you used the word " delegated" which I think is more applicable that ' originated"- do you see where I'm coming from?

[kwikphilly]

4 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Thanks, and I agree completely. All discussions should originate from posting

two or three scriptures, as directed by Torah, and then suggesting that those

scriptures mean whatever you feel the Spirit is saying to the Church. 

I would also suggest that as a hard and fast rule, responses should not be made

simply by the title of the thread, but after carefully reading what is stated in

the original post, especially the scriptures provided, and respond with your

understanding of the Word, not your reaction to the title.

I agree completely👍

[Mr. M]

4 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Now ,Jesus Has the Same Authority ... We must remember that though there are 3 distinct persons of the Triune GodHead - " they" are ONE God,not three!

 

Amen, and I am fully committed to submitting to the authority of the Son, while

fully acknowledging the futility of even making that attempt without the Helper,

the Holy Spirit, the promise of the Father. That is clearly stated as His role, to

direct our way under the authority the Father has granted the Son. Since He is

in perfect agreement with the Son, He is rightly addressed as Lord, but He is

not exercising authority independent of the Son, or the Father's Will.

John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 

Finally and decisively,

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

This, at the word of the apostle Paul, is the correct comprehension of the authority

exercised within the triune godhead, and defining divine sovereignty.

[kwikphilly]

3 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Amen, and I am fully committed to submitting to the authority of the Son, while

fully acknowledging the futility of even making that attempt without the Helper,

the Holy Spirit, the promise of the Father. That is clearly stated as His role, to

direct our way under the authority the Father has granted the Son. Since He is

in perfect agreement with the Son, He is rightly addressed as Lord, but He is

not exercising authority independent of the Son, or the Father's Will.

John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 

Finally and decisively,

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

This, at the word of the apostle Paul, is the correct comprehension of the authority

exercised within the triune godhead, and defining divine sovereignty.

Well said! Yes yes,in perfect Agreement and never exercising  outside of GODS Will independently!!!!! Amen & Amen

[Mr. M]

9 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

that He Existed Before or as Above Jesus

Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

what then is your understanding  of "only-begotten Son", if not that God created

His Son first, and all else was created with Him, through Him, for Him, etc...

16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

Colossians 2:9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

My understanding is that the letter to the Colossians is a bit theologically

advanced for those young in the faith. 

[Mr. M]

5 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Well said! Yes yes,in perfect Agreement and never exercising  outside of GODS Will independently!!!!! Amen & Amen

Is "philly" simply a reference to your gender, or your fondness for the ponies

at Gulfstream down there in south Florida? Or maybe you are originally from

the city of brethrenly Love!