Did God restore Israel in 1948?

[dad2]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

It ABSOLUTELY DOES.  

Where? What major Great Tribulation or day of the Lord prophesies use those terms?

[dad2]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

You missed the whole point, The whole verse, save the last bit, is not a part of the three verses, its an aside, a parenthesis, like this from another one of my posts(so pay it no attention) < LIKE THIS.

I mean when Moses and Elijah says, Hey, when you see this AoD (they will explain what it is no doubt) do not tarry, FLEE, do not look back. 

The bible does not say Moses and Elijah. That is a guess.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

The point is all three verses are about the First Resurrection, (which happens over a 7 year period) and the part talking about when the rest of the dead (THE WICKED) are raised is an ASSIDE like THE WICKED in this sentence !!

What verse says the resurrection takes seven years? Ha

 

 

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

We are thus in agreement on this then.(Short reply, LOL)

Just making te point there were no Verse & Chapters and they were all ADDED, thus we need to understand FALLABLE MEN added the verses and chapters and may have split them  up wrongly, we must always be cognizant of this. 

YUP........

The problem is when you ramble on and on it is like a trumpet giving an uncertain sound. It is not clear or simple. My observation has generally been that of someone really understands what they are saying, they can explain it fairly clearly and concisely.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

No, if it hits (IT WILL.......the tine is at hand if one understand prophecy, I do) it will hit just off the Mexico/USA Coastline. Its called calculations my friend. And the 1/3 is also not conjecture, its also math and common sense. 

Total conjecture.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

No, I am showing how Prophecy is not all TIDY & PERFECTLY LINEAR, we get jumps in time, sometimes 500 years sometimes 2000 years, sometimes BOTH in one prophetic uttering. So, those who use Matt. 24:29 to say IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation of those dats Jesus comes back have no understanding of prophecy, all that is being referenced in that verse is the Sun and Moon going dark, like happens in Rev. 8, the 4th Trump, then in verse 30 the THEN jumps 1260 days to Jesus' Second Coming. 

Jesus had understanding and He said it. You obfuscate and cloud and confuse simple truths.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

The First Trumpet Judgment is sulfur balls dropping over the land as this Asteroid it burning coming through our atmosphere and breaking up, most break apart, one this big will not, it will thus set thousands of fires as these sulfur balls fall

Total guesswork.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Then of course comes the IMPACT (Trump #2) that causes what John sees as a GREAT EARTHQUAKE (well YEA, if he saw it hit, of course the earth shock). It hits in the ocean (Mountain cast into the sea). Then with Trump #3 this is simple, he speaks of WORMWOOD (Bitter/Poison) and says the waters were made bitter or poisoned. That is the FDALLOUT from the impact, be it sulfur like happened to the Dinos 70 million years ago or a "nuclear type" fallout from  some unknown metal/substance, matter not, the IMPACT happens then some kind of poisonous FALLOUT !!

You are grabbing a what if guess and trying to weld the verses into line to fit. Anyone can do that.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

You understand, it just defeats your point. Zech. 14:1-2 is the Anti-Christ, verses 3-4 and on are Jesus showing up 1260 days later. In verse 2 Jerusalem gets Conquered, in verse 3 Jesus wins. They thus CAN NOT be the SAME EVENT !! There is a 1260 day jump in time.

Lets look at that

Zechariah 14:1

 

Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zechariah 14:2

 

For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Zechariah 14:3

 

Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zechariah 14:4

 

And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

These are events at the very end just before and when Jesus returns. No idea why you think it is hard to grasp.

 

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

No, I am pointing out the Great Tribulation lasts only for the last 42 months.  Not for the last 7 years. Jesus in the verse you cited speaks about the 1290 (midst of the week) event. Thus the Jews have 30 days to Flee Judea before the 1260 Wrath starts, it lasts for 1260 days and happens thus 1260 days before Jesus' Second Coming where he ends ALL OF THESE WONDERS (Dan. 11:36-45 Anti-Christ) Daniel was shown. In Rev. 18:4 God says come out of here my people............this is Him telling Israel to flee Babylon (Wicked World). 

I think everyone knows the final part of the seven years or tribulation or wrath of God is the last 3 1/2 years, called the Great Tribulation. So?

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Those who DIE during this time serve on earth with Jesus for 1000 years in Glorious bodies, the Raptured Church thus must, I assume,  go back to Heaven in order to finish off the New Jerusalem, thus as it descends it is called the Bride of Christ. 

Say what!? We do not build New Jerusalem. Jesus prepared that place for us. We who were Raptured before the wrath also rule with Him here.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

The First 3.5 years is the fake peace, REMEMBER Dan. 8:25? He kills MANY BY PEACE !! Remember the 2nd Seal? He TAKES PEACE from the World, not brings War, it was said like this by God ON PURPOSE, even though it means the same thing.

Those Beheaded means all who die for refusing to take the Mark of the Beast, thus its a metaphor, they die in modern days via a quick bullet mostly.

You are guessing again. Perhaps a lot of beheading will go on in that time. We don't know. You should offer your fantasy and guesses as such. As for the Great Tribulation, it is a time of the greatest trouble the world ever knew or will know. Populations dying, hunger,war etc. I would suggest you find another hobby other than 'pretend prophesy wiz'.

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

On 12/30/2022 at 4:27 PM, dad2 said:

How is that? When God restores them it is sudden and decisive. He destroys their enemies, gives them the land, protects them etc.

That is after they are saved. Nothing to do with some process in the 1940s

Did you read what I wrote? The prophesy to restore Israel is clearly of a physical land like they once had. That actually occurred in 1948.

[Revelation Man]

On 12/29/2022 at 1:38 PM, dad2 said:

? How could Good lose a war? Of course He takes care of business when He returns. Nations that gathered do so before this and for the reason that He destroys them by His coming. Not sure what point you are trying to make?

That's the whole point......THAT MEANS that verses 1 and 2 CAN NOT happen at the same tine as verses 3 and 4 !! There is a 1260 day JUMP IN TIME between verses 2 where Israel is Conquered/Sacked and verse 3 where Jesus wins. You argue a point, then when I defeat it, you prove me right with your next question. Kind of baffling tbh.

On 12/29/2022 at 1:38 PM, dad2 said:

The final period of seven years is a special time, set apart from all other periods. The 'church age' has nothing to do with the Great Tribulation and the church is not even here for it.

No, the final 7 years bring Israel back onto the clock, the Time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled. There must now be repentance by Israel before the 70th week passes, as Prophesied by God. The first 3.5 years is like ALL TIME ON EARTH, tribulation, the last 3.5 years is the Greatest Ever Troubles seen on earth by mankind. Its not that hard to put the Greatest Ever Troubles together if we just follow the scriptures.

Matt. 24:15-19 tells us it starts at the 1260, thus the Jews are given 30 dats to flee via a SIGN at the 1290, which is 30 days before the 1260, where Israel are scattered, Jesus says THIS is the greatest ever troubles, not the first half of the 70th week. Dan. 12 tells us Israel gets conquered, Rev. 12 says Satan chases the Woman (Israel) for 1260 days. God's Wrath starts in the exact middle of the week and lasts for 1260 days. The first 3.5 years is normal, the Anti-Christ only reneges on his Agreements (which is basically Israel joins the E.U.) in the middle of the week, he goes forth conquering at the 1260 event. You can't have a PEACE TAKEN AWAY (Seal #2) if all 7 years are War and Troubles brother.

The only difference is the Church is in Heaven, 1 billion people up and die (we don't fly away, our spirit man goes to be with Jesus). Thus Israel is on the God clock once again, the 70th week only starts once the Time of the Gentiles is over, meaning that God took the job away from Israel and gave it to the Gentiles nations for a season (2000 years or so), that job was letting mankind know about the one true God, and his mercies and salvation. Once we are gone, there will be a 7 year period, 3.5 years of this is God's Wrath, or him taking back the title deed from Satan. During that time, Satan is allowed to be the worlds King, God gives them their hearts desire. Murder and mayhem follows.

True the Church is not here, the Time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled. But the Remnant Church is here and are the Martyrs.

On 12/29/2022 at 1:38 PM, dad2 said:

The final phase of the tribulation is the worst. Also the final part of that 3'12 years is the worst still. That does nothing to take away from the fact that the first part of the seven years is also terrible beyond anything ever seen.

Your problem is a comprehension  problem. Get this now, John 16:33 ALL TIME on earth is TRIBULATION. That means the whole Church age and the first 3.5 years of the 70th week is indeed troubles. BUT.........It can not be the Greatest Ever Troubles, which start at the 1260 and runs for 1260 days. There is only one greatest ever troubles, and that runs for 42 months. 

On 12/29/2022 at 1:38 PM, dad2 said:

So what do they do, paint and play harps? If they endure harp playing they are super blessed?

No, the 144,000 is a CODE for ALL Israel who repent. As in 10 means COMPLETION and 12 means FULNESS, 10 = Divine Completion so:

12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repents.

7 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 7000 or ALL Israel who repents.

God doesn't just give His secrets away ahead of time to the enemy, of course Satan knew in the very end 1/3 of the Jews would repent, but he had no idea how many Jews would be living in the end times, hence 7000, 144,000 and the 1/3 all = the exact same thing, ALL Israel who repents !! 

Since 10 million Jews live in Israel and 15 million worldwide we can now safely says the actual number is 3.5-5 million Jews who repents, so the 7000 (CODE) the 144,000 (CODE) and the 1/3 all tell us 3.5-5 million Jews come to the Lord just before God's Wrath falls at the 1260 event. 

So, THEY are the Jews that Flee Judea when thewy see the AoD, thus God protects them for 1260 dats then sets up the Kingdom Age with Israel, his brothers, and he is also their Lord and God the Redeemer. So, when you see the Seals, understand they DO NOTHING, they are just Jesus prophesying what is coming soon, Seals 1-5 is him telling is what the Anti-Christs reign will bring, Conquering, War/takes away peace, Famine, Death/Sickness and he Martyrs the Gentile Saints he CAN GET AT, he ant get at the Jewish Saints because Jesus sets up his Kingdom Age with Israel. Thus Rev. 7 is the 3.5-5 million Jews fleeing Judea in a form of prose. Then after they flee, the 7th Seal can then be opened, ever wonder why the 7th seal is over in Rev. 8? Because the Jews BECOME PROTECTED in Rev. 7 !! The problem is you, and others have not identified who the 144,000 are accurately. 

On 12/29/2022 at 1:38 PM, dad2 said:

 Who knows? Who cares? If God holds back angels from lowering the boom for a bit, I see no problem.

 

Who cares? LOL, you are dodging the point. It defeats your argument, or you are just being lazy. Either or !!

On 12/29/2022 at 1:38 PM, dad2 said:

It does not say my people Israel. It says my people! Not just Jews get saved in the end. I also see no reason that all Israel is cowering in Petra including the 144,000 witnesses! Some, maybe.

And the Church is in Heaven !! So, who does God protect and why? Israel, so he can set up the Kingdom Age. You are straining at the ole gnat brother. Rev. 18 is Babylon getting Judged, Babylon is the whole world under Satan's deception. Babel means confusion. Why does Babylon fall?? Satan gets locked in the pit for 1000 years, this world is Satan's Dark Kingdom of confusion, where he so deceives mankind he gets the to fight against their own loving Creator, that is as Babylon as you can get, an apt descriptor.

Only Israel gets "PROTECTED" Come out of Her (Babylon/World) that you receive not of HER PLAGUES !! Put it together man !!

All of the Jews who repent will flee to Judea, like God tells them to in order to survive. That is a fact. 3.5-5 million Jews.

On 12/29/2022 at 1:38 PM, dad2 said:

We do know that many will do exploits in the end and have some help from God. There is no reason to think the 144,000 are not included to say the least! I see no reality to the idea that the 144,000 are holed up in a rock city doing great carpentry exploits only!

Those who do exploits via Daniel 11:32-34 are not End Time Saints, they were those who rose up against the Greeks and fought them off to gain back independence for a whole before Rome conquered them. It was the Maccabean Revolt. I told you, I did an Exegesis on Dan. 11 and 12, its on here somewhere also. It is nit 144,000 that is a CODE, its 3.5-5 million Jews. God orders them to Flee Judea, do you think they should listen to you or Jesus (SMILE)

On 12/29/2022 at 1:38 PM, dad2 said:

If there were a few million or hundred thousand 'terrorists' (as they may call believers then) hiding in Petra that the armed forces of the world could not wipe them out? What, God puts a star wars bubble around the place and they sit there doing no preaching for many years??

 

TRY READING it is your friend.

Rev. 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman (Israel) which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle(God is shown many times as an Eagle), that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood(The Anti-Christs Armies) after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Do you NOT GET THIS !! ? Just like in Egypt, as Israel was fleeing and the Pharaoh sent his "Army......Flood" after Israel, God protected her with a huge wall of Fire (The EARTH protected her) and later on the Red Sea protected HER........God used the Elements of this earth to protect Israel way back then. God will do the exact same thing in the coming End Times also. Amen. 

Yes, Gid protects Israel fir a reason, to set up His promised Kingdom Age, You don't understand do you? If the Jews were WIPED OUT the that would prove God is a liar !! That is why Satan has been trying to wipe out Israel fir over 3000 years. 

 

 

 

[dad2]

2 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

Did you read what I wrote? The prophesy to restore Israel is clearly of a physical land like they once had. That actually occurred in 1948.

A physical land, yes. After GOD restores them there after they get saved. That is when the promises will be fulfilled. When God does that we will not have any doubt. Some people try to say the land today is blossoming like a rose, that they are protected, etc etc. A bunch of nonsense.

[dad2]

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

That's the whole point......THAT MEANS that verses 1 and 2 CAN NOT happen at the same tine as verses 3 and 4 !! There is a 1260 day JUMP IN TIME between verses 2 where Israel is Conquered/Sacked and verse 3 where Jesus wins.

Not the same twenty minutes. The same general time, near the end of the 3 1/2 years.

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

No, the final 7 years bring Israel back onto the clock, the Time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled. There must now be repentance by Israel before the 70th week passes, as Prophesied by God. The first 3.5 years is like ALL TIME ON EARTH, tribulation, the last 3.5 years is the Greatest Ever Troubles seen on earth by mankind. Its not that hard to put the Greatest Ever Troubles together if we just follow the scriptures.

No gentiles after the 7 years starts? Chapter and verse. Obviously there are lots of wicked non believers in that time.

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Matt. 24:15-19 tells us it starts at the 1260, thus the Jews are given 30 dats to flee via a SIGN at the 1290, which is 30 days before the 1260, where Israel are scattered, Jesus says THIS is the greatest ever troubles, not the first half of the 70th week. Dan. 12 tells us Israel gets conquered, Rev. 12 says Satan chases the Woman (Israel) for 1260 days. God's Wrath starts in the exact middle of the week and lasts for 1260 days. The first 3.5 years is normal, the Anti-Christ only reneges on his Agreements (which is basically Israel joins the E.U.) in the middle of the week, he goes forth conquering at the 1260 event. You can't have a PEACE TAKEN AWAY (Seal #2) if all 7 years are War and Troubles brother.

False. Mat 24 says nothing about 30 days or 1260 etc. In fact it even mentions that they should hope it is not on a Sabbath day! So much for your fantasy timing.

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

True the Church is not here, the Time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled. But the Remnant Church is here and are the Martyrs.

Here is a commentary of what the times of the gentiles are.

 

" when the Jewish people rejected Christ, they were temporarily cut off from the blessings of a relationship with God. As a result, the gospel was given to the Gentiles, and they gladly received it. This partial hardening of heart for Israel doesn’t preclude individual Jews from being saved, but it prevents the nation from accepting Christ as Messiah until His plans are finished. When the time is right, God will restore the entire nation, and they will come to faith in Him once again, ending “the times of the Gentiles” (Isaiah 17:7; 62:11–12; Romans 11:26)."

https://www.gotquestions.org/times-of-the-Gentiles.html

 

That time is when they are saved. Not 1948. Don't tell us that time is history.

 

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Your problem is a comprehension  problem. Get this now, John 16:33 ALL TIME on earth is TRIBULATION. That means the whole Church age and the first 3.5 years of the 70th week is indeed troubles. BUT.........It can not be the Greatest Ever Troubles, which start at the 1260 and runs for 1260 days. There is only one greatest ever troubles, and that runs for 42 months. 

Nonsense. The period in the end is set apart in Dan 9. It is unique. Jesus says no time ever existed like it or ever will again. Don't try to smuggle your pet theories in under the skirt of the word tribulation.

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

No, the 144,000 is a CODE for ALL Israel who repent. As in 10 means COMPLETION and 12 means FULNESS, 10 = Divine Completion so:

Says you. Too bad your invented codes have no value or relevance.

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repents.

7 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 7000 or ALL Israel who repents.

Math games. How about this one. 3 strikes you're out.

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

God doesn't just give His secrets away ahead of time to the enemy, of course ...

Let us guess, you are privy to special secrets. Ha

 

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Since 10 million Jews live in Israel and 15 million worldwide we can now safely says the actual number is 3.5-5 million Jews who repents, so the 7000 (CODE) the 144,000 (CODE) and the 1/3 all tell us 3.5-5 million Jews come to the Lord just before God's Wrath falls at the 1260 event. 

Safely? What if a million died in a plague or war or whatever before that seven years started? What if the seven years didn't start right away and there was an extra 2 million Jews? You are guessing at numbers. You should learn the words maybe, and possibly, and my guess is approx.

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

So, THEY are the Jews that Flee Judea when thewy see the AoD, thus God protects them for 1260 dats then sets up the Kingdom Age with Israel, his brothers, and he is also their Lord and God the Redeemer. So, when you see the Seals, understand they DO NOTHING, they are just Jesus prophesying what is coming soon, Seals 1-5 is him telling is what the Anti-Christs reign will bring, Conquering, War/takes away peace, Famine, Death/Sickness and he Martyrs the Gentile Saints he CAN GET AT, he ant get at the Jewish Saints because Jesus sets up his Kingdom Age with Israel. Thus Rev. 7 is the 3.5-5 million Jews fleeing Judea in a form of prose. Then after they flee, the 7th Seal can then be opened, ever wonder why the 7th seal is over in Rev. 8? Because the Jews BECOME PROTECTED in Rev. 7 !! The problem is you, and others have not identified who the 144,000 are accurately. 

No. The only Jews protected are the 144,000 witnesses and the 2 witnesses. Also all Israel after they get saved in the very end. Most of them actually will die, only a remnant in the end are saved.

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

And the Church is in Heaven !! So, who does God protect and why? Israel, so he can set up the Kingdom Age. 

He protects as mentioned, the 2 witnesses and the 144,000. He also helps believers in general with a little help, rather than total protection in every case. Case in point, the creatures from the pit that sting mankind will not sting His people.

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Only Israel gets "PROTECTED" Come out of Her (Babylon/World) that you receive not of HER PLAGUES !!

Verse that says no one has any help from God but Israel? I already outlined who is protected. Israel will be judged, not protected! That is a big reason for the wrath to begin with, to get Israel to repent.

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

All of the Jews who repent will flee to Judea, like God tells them to in order to survive. That is a fact. 3.5-5 million Jews.

Those who do exploits via Daniel 11:32-34 are not End Time Saints, they were those who rose up against the Greeks and fought them off to gain back independence for a whole before Rome conquered them. It was the Maccabean Revolt. I told you, I did an Exegesis on Dan. 11 and 12, its on here somewhere also. It is nit 144,000 that is a CODE, its 3.5-5 million Jews. God orders them to Flee Judea, do you think they should listen to you or Jesus (SMILE)

Not my fault you got muddled up. Where does it say all those who flee will go to Judea? (forget the numbers you cite, since that is guesswork)

In Dan 11, in the verse after the ones you cite, it spells out when it is about.

 

Daniel 11:35

 

And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

 

Sorry, you predictably totally miss the target.

 

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Do you NOT GET THIS !! ? Just like in Egypt, as Israel was fleeing and the Pharaoh sent his "Army......Flood" after Israel, God protected her with a huge wall of Fire (The EARTH protected her) and later on the Red Sea protected HER........God used the Elements of this earth to protect Israel way back then. God will do the exact same thing in the coming End Times also. Amen. 

Great. so that does nothing to support your claims. Of course God looks after His fleeing people. I would assume if they fled right away rather that dilly dally around. They get out of Dodge.

52 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Yes, Gid protects Israel fir a reason, to set up His promised Kingdom Age, You don't understand do you? If the Jews were WIPED OUT the that would prove God is a liar !! That is why Satan has been trying to wipe out Israel fir over 3000 years.

Strawman. I pointed out often that all Israel in the end will be saved. What is this nonsense about pretending I said they were all wiped out? Maybe it is time to admit you do not know what you are talking about in almost every area of end time prophesy.

[Revelation Man]

On 12/29/2022 at 2:02 PM, Walter Goraj jr said:

When you stated: "Now you can, if you are a Jew, I guess observe the Sabbath, but Jesus is our rest"

That is the heart of the matter my friend. OT law was ended by the fulfillment of Jesus Christ. The 7th day sabbath should be in the rear view mirror for a Jew who becomes a follower of Christ, a Christian. But yet, it's not. 

Yes, especially unto us Gentles, but what did Paul say? He basically says let no on e judge you in holidays you observe, in the Sabbath you may keep etc. etc. which probably means some Jewish Converts were coming in questioning why the Colossians were not keeping the Sabbath etc. etc. But at tge same time Paul says they were all a shadow of things to come, so keeping the Sabbath fir a Jew is not wrong per se, they just need to know we are in his ret 24/7/365. BUT.......IMHO, keeping any sacrificial laws God sees as an Abomination, sees as his sin has already pad the price for our sins, nothing else needs to be "offered up" it belittles Jesus sacrifice in sol doing, JMO (and Paul's I think).

1 Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So, likewise, if you are Jewish and want to keep the Sabbath, let no man judge you. But sacrificing meats imho, is a no no. 

On 12/29/2022 at 2:02 PM, Walter Goraj jr said:

You stated: " I do not think the Jews could have done it, when the Disciples died off, if 70 AD never happened, and Israel were left alone to preach the Gospel, it would have become another form of Judaism. JMHO"

But the gospel was received by the remnant of Jews that God called according to His purpose. When a Jew  becomes truly born again, old  things are " passed away". That would mean any  rabbinical teachings would have no place, neither would OT law. 

No, the Remnant of THE SEED (Jesus) is the Church. The Church is nit Israel. Israel are married unto the Father, from long ago, only Church Age converts are a part of Jesus bride, the rest will be raised at the vey end, after the Second Coming, unlike us Christians both Jew and Gentiles, we are raised via the Pre Trib Rapture. 

[Revelation Man]

On 12/29/2022 at 2:05 PM, dad2 said:

I showed clearly and equivocally that eze 37 was set in the future, not history. 

 

Not all of it, there are two prophesies there, the TWO STICKS can not be FUTURE to Ezekiel, the Northern Kingdoms had already been toted of by the time he was born and/or prophesied the Two Sticks Prophesy. The Dead Men's Bones came into effect in 33-70 AD.  That is past tense also.

On 12/29/2022 at 2:05 PM, dad2 said:

No. The bible does not say that. You say that. Bozrah smozrah. I say they are all over preaching and doing wonders and facing death and danger protected by God till the end. The wilderness does not have to mean some few square miles in Petra only! Yes, the world will go after believers, Jews as well as all others.

You are wrong, NOWHERE do they preach. PERIOD. That is just Men's Tradition.

On 12/29/2022 at 2:05 PM, dad2 said:

The term remnant may not be one word that always has to refer to one thing. In the case of the Jews who are left alive, it means those left alive when they get saved. Not complicated.

The Remnant in Revelation chapter 12 can only be The Remnant Church (Gentiles) I am not speaking about Remnant in other scriptures, just that one alone.

On 12/29/2022 at 2:05 PM, dad2 said:

I just said the word can be used for more than one group. You seem to think if I use the word remnant it has to mean what you prefer. No. In the case of Israel, it is only those who survive that finally repent and are saved. I call that a remnant. You can call it a tomato if you like.

I do not care what you mean by it, makes no difference to me, but The Remnant in Rev. 12 can ONLY BE the Remnant Church, you thoughts or my thoughts matter not, the Scriptures show who it is. You have not only been defeated but you lost this debate soundly, I'd just admit it and move on or you are just going to make yourself look bad brother. ITS OBVIOUS !!

[Revelation Man]

On 12/29/2022 at 2:05 PM, dad2 said:

What is your point about the phase of 30 or 75 days or whatever after He returns?

1260, 1290 and 1335 is really the...............

On 12/29/2022 at 2:05 PM, dad2 said:

Some people need to wash their hands after what they 'dig out'.  Firstly who cares if there are little periods of days to wrap things up? Why would we listen to you speculate and what difference does it make??

1335, 1290 and 1260................Reverse your thinking !!

On 12/29/2022 at 2:05 PM, dad2 said:

Conjecture. How about there are a few small phases involved in mopping things up after He returns? No need to have some would be genius speculation about it at all. We will see one day.

The 1260 is unbeknownst to many the biggest key to unlocking the End Times in all of the bible. And it's good for everyone reading this that I know exactly what it means due to much study and prayer. (30 years worth, SMILE).

God tells us when the Rapture is when the Abomination of Desolation happens when the Two-witnesses show up when the Beast Conquers Jerusalem when the Two-witnesses die when the Beast dies. when the children of Israel or the Holy people scatter and last but not least when the Day of the Lord comes upon mankind, all by the 1260 day or Time, times and a half time measurement. Each event and each person/peoples mentioned in connection with the 1260 day time frame can be juxtaposed against other people/events to give us specific time frames if we just use common sense.

For instance, we know the holy people are scattered at the 1260 day mark (time, times and half time) and that the Anti-Christ reneges on all his agreements or covenants in the Middle of the week so he conquers at day 1260 and thus rules as the Beast for 42 Months just like Rev. 13 says. So it goes without saying he thereby scatters the holy people Israel at that same time, they Flee Judea as Jesus commanded them to do. The Woman (Israel) is protected by God for 1260 days in the Wilderness.

Daniel chapter 12 tells us when the Two-Witnesses show up and when they die but we have to use the 1260 (time, times, half) to figure it out, Its complicated.

Via Daniel chapter 12 we come to understand that the Abomination of Desolation has to come before the Jews Flee, some think it happens at the same time, I used to, but that passage give us a VERY IMPORTANT CLUE that changes the thought process, if we catch it, its there.

The Numbers are REVERSED from what most think, they are not counting days into the Tribulation, but days until the end/Jesus returns, from specified events. This can be proved by yours truly.

Dan. 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen(Jesus/Angel?), which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? (NOTICE THE QUESTION HERE....)

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half (1260 Days); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

This is saying that from the time the Holy people are "SCATTERED" (Israel Flees Judea) there will be 1260 Days (time, times and half time) until all of these wonders are finished. So the 1260 is how many days from the time the Anti-Christ comes forth, Conquers Jerusalem and becomes the Beast for 42 Months until Jesus Christs Second coming. It can be nothing else.

Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

So what does this mean? Everyone seems to have problems with these numbers, but when we get they are all REVERSED and are Events then days from said Events until the END TIME it kind of clears up for us. Since we know the 1260 (time, times and half time) is in the Middle of the Week, and it says the holy people are scattered at this time, the Abomination of Desolation mentioned in verse 11 can not be set up 30 days after the holy people have scattered or fled, because Jesus prophesied that when you see the Abomination of Desolation that Jews should FLEE JUDEA in Matthew 24:15-17, so the 1290 event can not be 30 days after the 1260 event, thus it has to be 30 days before the 1260 event, and that makes sense when we understand the 1260 days was Days until the END/Jesus' Return. Thus the 1335 is also an Event that is 1335 Days until the End/Jesus Returns. Everyone is looking at it wrong/Backwards.

1. 1335 Days until Jesus Returns the Two-Witnesses show up, blessed is he that makes it from this day of Repentance all the way to Jesus' return.

2. 1290 Days before Jesus Returns the Daily (Oblation/Worshiping of Jesus) is taken away, and the Abomination is set up. (Jews should FLEE JUDEA.)

3. The Anti-Christ comes forth to Conquer in the Middle of the Week (Day of the Lord/Gods Wrath) and the Jews/Israel has thus been SCATTERED !!

This timeline fits scriptures. The Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the Beast and die BEFORE the Beast (2nd Woe vs. 7th Vial). And Malachi 4:5-6 says that the two-witnesses show up BEFORE the Day of the Lord.

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

So we understand all the timelines of Revelation/End Times via the 1260 Days timelines. If we are observant.

The way I wrote this 2 years ago may be easier for some to understand I guess, its a very in depth understanding, but simple.

Edited January 3, 2023 by Revelation Man

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34 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Not all of it, there are two prophesies there, the TWO STICKS can not be FUTURE to Ezekiel, the Northern Kingdoms had already been toted of by the time he was born and/or prophesied the Two Sticks Prophesy. The Dead Men's Bones came into effect in 33-70 AD.  That is past tense also.

Nothing to do with 1948

Ezekiel 37:24

 

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

 

When He brings them back after they are saved in the end is the ultimate fulfillment of that. The same with dead bones rising. When Israel is saved what better fulfillment could there be?

 

 

34 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

You are wrong, NOWHERE do they preach. PERIOD. That is just Men's Tradition.

They that be wise shall shine as lights in the firmament and they that lead many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever.

 

When is that?

¹ And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

 

They will be teaching others and leading people to righteousness. Now cowering away twiddling their thumbs.

 

34 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

The Remnant in Revelation chapter 12 can only be The Remnant Church (Gentiles) I am not speaking about Remnant in other scriptures, just that one alone.

OK so what would that have to do with 1948? Or anything else? Did you think the word remnant could not be used anywhere else?

34 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

I do not care what you mean by it, makes no difference to me, but The Remnant in Rev. 12 can ONLY BE the Remnant Church,

Well, no. There are also many Jews saved at this time! The church is not even on the planet!

 

Sorry, but GONG!