Jerusalem is Falling #3, Armageddon is Now

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, abcdef said:

Look at the prophecies as the children of Israel would understand them in the 96 AD time period.

Why would I do that WHEN GOD SAID

1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

4But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
 

29 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Then consider this, that the 3 1/2 times, 42 months, and the 1260 days are not literal, but are symbolic, in the Revelation.

Why would they all of a sudden be symbolic?  They work out literally without any problem.

 I don't just randomly decide to go from one to the other, there has to be a reason. And if that reason is a doctrine not found written in Gods words then that isn't going to happen as that always leads to an incorrect place.  

A symbolic set of words in Revelation would be a 'beast with 7 heads'. 

1260 days would only be symbolic of 1260 days. 

 

35 minutes ago, abcdef said:

For example, Dan 12:7 says that the time from Babylon until the scattering of the people of Israel is 3 1/2 times. Babylon until 70 AD.

What does that mean?




How crazy is this. 

One says the end consists of basically no time at all

and the other has the end almost never ending.  


Anyway, pretty sure I have given what I know.  I think the rest would just be a back and forth banter that didn't accomplish anything so I am going to TRY to bow out.  Wish me luck.  Thank you for your time.  

[DeighAnn]

11 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

You teach Satan is currently in heaven and the casting out of Satan and his angels is future?

This teaching puts Satan as Omnipresent equal to God, bouncing back and forth between heaven and earth, as he has been in earth for Job, Jesus temptations, and now he's in heaven

No, this teaching puts the WAR going on between good and evil as present until the end comes.  Satan is standing behind God accusing day and night and will be until the war ends and he and his angels are cast out.  

Again, there have not been any ANGELS upon the earth with Satan for the past 2000 years.  If so then it would have been a one world kingdom worshipping an image taking the mark of the beast to buy and sell and we would have been hearing PEACE AND SAFETY.  None of which has happened.  

I think we also have pretty much covered everything.  So wish me good luck as I TRY to bow out of the conversation.   

[abcdef]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

This is what happens when WE SKIP THE SCHOOLMASTER and go to the end of the story.  WITHOUT a solid foundation in the beginning, we basically remain clueless as to the FACTS we are living THAT CAN'T BE CHANGED and are rendered to the place of guessing at best.  Sorry to be so straightforward but it is GODS TRUTH we are discussing and teaching false doctrines truly do have consequences.

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 I am not saying the past isn't a TYPE from which can we learn and that can give us eyes to see what is coming, just saying what is written about the end, HAS AN END

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

and if the end came as you say it did then the END that followed that end also would have come.

The end of all this is coming, it has not already come.

Jesus comes for the kingdom when Jerusalem falls to Iran and it allies, 3 1/2 days later.

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

  Here is the REAL problem with that theory.  SATAN and the ANGELS would have been cast from heaven.  WHAT happens when ANGELS marry humans?

Angels do not have sex with humans.

That comes from misunderstanding about who the sons of God are in reference to Gen 6:2.

The sons of God are the children of Adam and not angels. Lk 3:38, Psm 82:6.

Satan was cast down on the day of Pentecost when the kingdom came and salvation came, Rev 12:10.

The 1/3 of the stars of heaven that were cast to the earth Rev 12:4, were children of Israel who were killed when Rome invaded Israel in 63 BC and after, before the manchild was born in -0- AD.

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

REALLY really NOTICEABLE and noticeably evil 'beings' are born.  HENCE there is NO WAY possible that that has taken place. 

It has never taken place and never will.

[DeighAnn]

11 minutes ago, abcdef said:

The end of all this is coming, it has not already come.

Jesus comes for the kingdom when Jerusalem falls to Iran and it allies, 3 1/2 days later.

So what are we to do with everything that is written that has not taken place?  Ignore it and go with what you say instead?

[truth7t7]

26 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Satan is standing behind God accusing day and night and will be until the war ends and he and his angels are cast out.  

I Strongly Disagree With Your Claims

Satan Is Presently In Heaven, Standing Behind The Father and Jesus Christ On The Throne, Waiting To Be Thrown Out Of Heaven In The Future?

Satan Has Been Omnipresent As God, Jumping Back And Forth Between Heaven And Earth?

100% Unbiblical, As Satan Was Cast Out Of Heaven Long Ago As Shown, Revelation 12 Is A "Recap", Satan Is Presently Upon This Earth, Seeking To Devour, Your Claims Are "False"

(Satan Is Presently Upon Earth)

1 Peter 5:8KJV

8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

 

[abcdef]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

THAT ISN'T WHAT IS WRITTEN, not by a long shot.  

GOD is very very specific as to when and for how long and what happens at the end of that time.  YOU WANT to assume all this other stuff that is on you.  But the REVEALING OF CHRIST doesn't set it EITHER in the time or with the people YOU CHOOSE TO SET IT IN.  Fair warning.

Sister, I can see that you want proof.

Look at the Middle East. That is the proof. Jerusalem is being attacked by the kings of the east from across the Euphrates River.

The battle of Armageddon will soon happen and Jerusalem will fall.

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 
3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

1260 days, symbolic of 70 AD - 1967. Centuries, not literal days. (Dan 2)

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

This scripture, Rev 11:4, is the key to understanding who the 2 witnesses are.

The 2 olive trees and candlesticks are seen in Zech 4:3 & 12.

It states plainly, conclusively, without a doubt, exactly who they are, in Zech 4:6, they are, "the word of the Lord."

What is the word of the Lord? The scriptures, held and proclaimed by Israel, that lead to God and eternal life.

Now if you want to change the meaning of the "word of God", from the scriptures into two literal people, as pretrib does, that is up to you.

Those 2 witness from Zech are still standing before God and always will be through eternity.

  

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth,

Literal fire from their mouths? Or the judgment of God in the scriptures on sin and the enemies of Israel?

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Think of all the enemies of Israel who tried to kill them, and what happened to them.

All those enemies have been killed, but the children of Israel remain.

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy:

Not the material heavens, but the heavens where God is.

The rain is the water of the spirit that keeps the souls alive.

If the children of Israel withhold the scriptures, then the spiritual blessings of the living waters will not fall from God to replenish the soul and bring eternal life. 

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

and have power over waters to turn them to blood,

The waters are living waters that flow from the throne of God, Jer 2:13, 17:13.

The blood is the corruption of the living waters.

The corruption of the living waters, that come through the scriptures, and are held by Israel, are under the power of Israel to explain or not explain them. 

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The plagues are spiritual and related to the scriptures.

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

The beast is Rome, still the iron nation of Dan 2 and the 4th beast of Dan 7.

The beast nation kills the 2 witnesses, Israel, by deceiving the kings of the east, Iran, into attacking and surrounding Jerusalem. Which is happening now.

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Dear sister, if we are still alive in the coming times, we will see this prophecy come true.

When it does, when Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies, know that the coming of Jesus for the kingdom is only days away.

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

9And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

When this happens, in the coming few days left, it will confirm, without any doubt, that Jesus is coming for the kingdom.

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

The torment is the scriptures showing sin and that Jesus is the Son of God.

Those who rejoice are the enemies of Israel, enemies of Jesus, and the gospel kingdom.

They are Iran, Islam, Syria, Russia, and all those who hate Jesus and Israel.

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I am speculating that their celebration will be enormous and spectacular. They may plan a celebration in Jerusalem exactly 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls. I am guessing that they will all be having the biggest party ever. They will be having a ceremony celebrating the end of Israel and the fall of Jerusalem. At the height of the celebration, the passed away Christian children of Israel will stand up and be caught up to heaven in front of them. Sadly only then will they realize the truth, after the door to salvation is shut.

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

This is the resur/rapt and the end of human life on this planet.

After the resur/rapt, the stone will strike, which is the fire from heaven.

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

This will happen soon, maybe only months away, I don't know exactly when Jerusalem will fall. But it is coming for sure.

 

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Nothing you put forth even SOUNDS LIKE what is written.  

Think about it.

I will say this. That the Revelation is parallel passages and not necessarily consecutive.

The resur/rapt is shown in several different passages, and the 2 witnesses is only one. Another passage would be the 7th trumpet.

 

[abcdef]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Your claim is false, the events seen in the Revelation will pertain to the entire world, as scripture teaches below 

Hard to believe you desire to change that before your eyes, and localize it to Israel, really

The scriptures center on the children of Israel. The gentile nations are mentioned, and involved, but only as they relate to the children of Israel, usually they are seen as enemies.

The center of Rev 11 is Jerusalem and the children of Israel.

 

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Yes, but the center is the children of Israel.

You and I both agree that the planet ends in fire after Jesus comes for the kingdom.

Although the planet is described as ending in fire, the children of Israel are still the center of the passages.

Deciphering the images in the passages, whether they are literal or symbolic, defines the meaning. Expanding the context beyond what is intended distorts the meaning.

In the OT, we narrow the meaning of the passages to be centered on and exclusive to the children of Israel. To change the context of the letters of the NT into greater parameters is distorting to the passages.

The NT and the Revelation still center on the children of Israel and not the material planet, generally speaking. 

 

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Revelation 13:7-8KJV

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The saints are Israel, both the natural branches flesh believing Israel and gentile wild branches of believing Israel.

When the Revelation was written, the world/earth of Israel was where ever the children of Israel were.

So at that time, the world of Israel was ruled by Rome.

Rome, the iron of Dan 2 and the 4th beast of Dan 7, ruled over the children of Israel, continually, until 1967, when Jerusalem was restored.

So this Rev 13:7-8 is past and not future.

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, abcdef said:

1260 days, symbolic of 70 AD - 1967. Centuries, not literal days. (Dan 2)

1260 (100 year) centuries/periods? 

ARE YOU SAYING we have (1260 - 21 = 1239)

1239 MORE

100 YEAR PERIODS/Centuries

until THE RETURN OF CHRIST? 

 

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, abcdef said:

Sister, I can see that you want proof.

Look at the Middle East. That is the proof. Jerusalem is being attacked by the kings of the east from across the Euphrates River.

The battle of Armageddon will soon happen and Jerusalem will fall.

How is that proof.  There will be WARS and RUMORS of wars.  Those are the beginnings of sorrows.  

THE whole world has NOT BEEN worshipping ONE MAN claiming to be GOD, sitting in Jerusalem claiming to be God while the whole worlds monetary system is under his control that requires any sort of 'marking' through which to buy and sell. 

We have been over this.  SAYING the same thing again, for what purpose? 


Jerusalem has been surrounded since its first day.  

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, abcdef said:

Angels do not have sex with humans.

That comes from misunderstanding about who the sons of God are in reference to Gen 6:2.

The sons of God are the children of Adam and not angels. Lk 3:38, Psm 82:6.

No real studies here either?  That OT stuff can be such a bother to learn.  

Start with something from the NEW just to show it is A THING and a very real thing


 

1 Corinth 11
6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.


 

GEN 6
1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

DAUGHTERS BORN UNTO MEN.  No problems.  NO problem calling MEN MEN either. So, there are distinctions being made.  Choice is yours.  But what is written is what is written. 

2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

If this were just MEN as men then why are men seeing THEY WERE FAIR?  Men had always seen that.

 BUT now something DIFFERENT IS brought forth.  WILL there be anything different that will follow to HELP US, maybe take one precept and add it to the next precept and see what TRUTH we are given? Let's see if GOD makes note of any changes from the NORMAL be fruitful and multiply.


3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,
when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them,
the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

So the daughters of men are BARING children to the sons of God and NOW WE HAVE GIANTS.  

5And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

AND ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY


Gen 6

6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

NOAH WAS JUST AND PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS.

 8549. tamim 
Strong's Concordance
tamim: complete, sound
Original Word: תָּמִים
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: tamim
Phonetic Spelling: (taw-meem')
Definition: complete, sound

without blemish, complete, full, perfect, sincerely ity, sound, without spot, undefiled,
From tamam; entire (literally, figuratively or morally); also (as noun) integrity, truth -- without blemish, complete, full, perfect, sincerely (-ity), sound, without spot, undefiled, upright(-ly), whole.

WOULDN'T EVERYONE HAVE BEEN PERFECT ALSO, IF IT WAS AS YOU CLAIM,

IT WAS JUST ALL ABOUT MEN AND WOMAN HAVING BABIES?  

Its ALWAYS the details THAT CAUSE NO CONFLICT that truth is shown to be.  






Jude
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

 to quality; another i. e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind; different (so in Greek writings from Homer down): Romans 7:23; 1 Corinthians 14:21; 1 Corinthians 15:40; 2 Corinthians 11:4; Galatians 1:6; Hebrews 7:11, 13, 15; James 2:25; Jude 1:7. (Synonym: see
 

8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.


WHAT exactly do you THINK was going on in SODOM?    This is my last post.  IF you were asking questions that would be one thing, but since you INSIST on things that can so easily be proven TRUTH as being lies, I am just going to leave it. 
 



 

Gen 19
And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

9And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

10But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.

11And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

12And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:

13For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

14And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.

15And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

16And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.






Jude

9Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.