Temple Mount Security

[Mr. M]

In his interview with Jake Tapper, PM Netanyahu vowed to maintain the status

quo of the Temple Mount. Clearly, any attempt to implement changes would be

a provocation to the Arab world. Since the status quo, at least in my view, is a

"daily potential flash point",  is the Temple Mount the biggest obstacle to peace, 

in spite of the complexities of the Palestinian situation?

Zechariah 12:

1 The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel.

Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth,

and forms the spirit of man within him: 

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples,

when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem.

Note that the prophet states, "against Israel", implying that Jerusalem continues

the status quo with regards to the gentiles, and the Lord's hand against Israel;,

established in the Gospels.

Luke 21:

24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations.

And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

[WilliamL]

 

11 hours ago, Mr. M said:

is the Temple Mount the biggest obstacle to peace, 

in spite of the complexities of the Palestinian situation?

Daniel 11:45 And he shall set the tabernacles of his pavilion between the seas at the glorious holy mountain...

   Mount Moriah, that is. Definitely will not be well accepted by many...

Edited February 1, 2023 by WilliamL

[other one]

It seems to me that after the Ezekiel 38 war, there won't be many people to fuss about what they do with the temple mount.

[Selah7]

Yep, it’s Russia (Rosh) that we need to be watching out for:

And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal …

- Ezekiel 38:1-3 (KJV)

[Dennis1209]

The situation in Israel, particularly Jerusalem, is indeed complex and unique. Israel prophetically gained control of Jerusalem in 1967, yet Jordan (the Muslims) retains control of the Temple Mount.

The Bible, history, archeology, and the Quran all bear out that Israel-Jerusalem is the ancestral home of the Jews. Islam’s holy book, the Quran, does not mention anything about Jerusalem being a sacred site, much less the third most holy place.

Our generation has witnessed the lead-up to:

Zechariah 12:2 (KJV) Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

The Lord made an unconditional covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, still in effect, unless one believes in replacement theology. Trying to divide the land of Israel is a biblical no, no. As much as the globe attempts to divide Israel’s little sliver of land, there will never be a two-state solution.

As prophesized, the world has come against Israel in the form of the United Nations. More U.N. resolutions and sanctions have been levied against this tiny nation by far than any other country.

We are witnessing the effects between Shia-Sunni Muslims (Iran vs. Saudi Arabia and neighbors) over a nuclear Iran and their disdain for one another between religious sects, and how the Abraham Accords have changed the dynamics of the middle east and relations with Israel.

In recent history, the never-before-seen alignment, reasons, positioning, alliances, defense pacts, and posturing of the nations for the Gog-Magog invasion. The reasons why Damascus, Syria, will become a ruinous heap overnight.

Israel has just spent its largest allocation ever for military defense (3 billion dollars) for training and preparation for an imminent attack on Elam. Elam is 1/6 of S.W. Iran, where their Bushehr nuclear facilities are located. Israel has vowed not to allow Iran to possess nuclear weapons because they will immediately use them on Israel. Jeremiah 49:34-39 and elsewhere describe the “Samson” option against Elam by Israel most likely.

Those residents will flee to every nation on the planet, probably because of radiation and fallout.

Luke 21:28 (KJV) And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Have all these things begun in earnest? Tick, tick, tick.

[truth7t7]

On 2/1/2023 at 1:50 PM, Selah7 said:

Yep, it’s Russia (Rosh) that we need to be watching out for:

And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal …

- Ezekiel 38:1-3 (KJV)

The battle seen in Ezekiel Chapters 38-39 is a historical war fought long ago with wooden weapons of warfare, bows, arrows,spears,and shields, they were burned in the fire long ago

How could any reasonable person claim that modern Israel, is going to burn wooden weapons for 7 years in the future?

Jesus Is The Lord

Ezekiel 39:9-10KJV

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.

Edited February 4, 2023 by truth7t7

[WilliamL]

On 2/4/2023 at 11:40 AM, truth7t7 said:

How could any reasonable person claim that modern Israel, is going to burn wooden weapons for 7 years in the future?

Calling me unreasonable, hmmm? Harrumph!

The reason they will be burning wooden weapons is that all of the modern ones will either have been used up or destroyed by then. As well as the technological capacity to rebuild them. The catastrophic earth changes of the sixth seal and thereafter, along with the depredations of that 200,000 million-man army, will assure this.

Despite what pre-tribbers tell us, the Ezekiel 38-39 war is the last, not first, war of the End Times, being the Rev. 19 = Zech. 14 war.

7th Bowl, Exodus: Joshua – Yeshua – and the Israelites defeated the many armies gathered together against them on ʻthe day the sun stood still.ʼ “[T]he earth trembled and shook” amidst a great storm (Jasher 89:15), and great hailstones fell from heaven. The Canaanite armies were routed and slaughtered, and their kings were captured alive and “cast into” a cave. Josh. 10 End Times: “[T]hunderings and lightnings…a mighty and great earthquake…great hail from heaven.” Jesus – Yeshua – and the armies of heaven descend to destroy the armies gathered together against them. The Beast and the False Prophet are captured alive, and “cast into” the lake of fire. Rev. 16:17-21; 19:11-21

The Armageddon battle of the 7th Bowl and Revelation 19 is that of Ezekiel 38-39, the only other place God mentions using “great hailstones” in war. Ezek. 38:22 Both passages also tell about Godʼs great feast for the birds:

Revelation 19:17 Come, gather together to the supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings…[and] mighty men… 

Ezekiel 39:17 …come, gather together…to my sacrificial meal …that you may… 18 eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of princes…

This is also the time of the battle of Zechariah 14: 

Zechariah 14:3 Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations… 7 It shall be one [unique] day that is known to the LORD…at evening it shall be light.

Compare Joshua 10:13-14 :

So the sun…did not hasten to go down… And there has been no day like that before…for the LORD fought for Israel.

Zechariah focuses on the battle for Jerusalem, while Ezekiel focuses on the greater battle against the assembled armies gathered in the Plain of Esdraelon/Megiddo. However, both passages, as also Revelation 16:18, speak of the tremendous earthquake that will take place. Ezek. 38:19-20; Zech. 14:4-5 Both also say that among the invaders, “every manʼs sword will be against his brother.” Ezek. 38:21; Zech. 14:13 So this is all one continuous conflict, fought over a wide area, in which the Lord personally fights. In Joshuaʼs day, the king of Jerusalem was the leader of the assembled heathen armies: this was a foreshadowing of the Latter Day battle for Jerusalem.

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2069-the-end-times-and-the-exodus-part-4/

 

 

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[Mr. M]

4 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

The reason they will be burning wooden weapons is that all of the modern ones will either have been used up or destroyed by then. As well as the technological capacity to rebuild them. The catastrophic earth changes of the sixth seal and thereafter, along with the depredations of that 200,000 million-man army, will assure this.

Spot on. What I have also seen by the Spirit is that the only reason they would even have them by international treaty is that they would be considered historical/cultural objects. "Our early ancestors used these to beat one another over the head."

In other words, after the exhaustion of modern weaponry, a period of peace would ensue that would seem sustainable, until they mount their horses, pick up their spears and bows and arrows....

[abcdef]

On 2/1/2023 at 4:19 AM, Mr. M said:

In his interview with Jake Tapper, PM Netanyahu vowed to maintain the status

quo of the Temple Mount. Clearly, any attempt to implement changes would be

a provocation to the Arab world. Since the status quo, at least in my view, is a

"daily potential flash point",  is the Temple Mount the biggest obstacle to peace, 

in spite of the complexities of the Palestinian situation? 

The temple Mount is under the control of the armies of Israel. The Mount can be closed at any time that Israel wants to, as the past has shown. 

The biggest obstacle to peace is Iran, the kings of the east. There could have been peace many years ago, but Iran has continued to stir up the people and finance the attacks on Israel.

It wouldn't matter if Israel gave up anything and everything. The Satanic powers of Satan are inspiring Iran to conquer Jerusalem, as they repeat often.

 

On 2/1/2023 at 4:19 AM, Mr. M said:

Zechariah 12:

1 The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel.

Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth,

and forms the spirit of man within him: 

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples,

when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem.

 

On 2/1/2023 at 4:19 AM, Mr. M said:

Note that the prophet states, "against Israel", implying that Jerusalem continues

the status quo with regards to the gentiles, and the Lord's hand against Israel;,

established in the Gospels.

Luke 21:

24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations.

And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Contradictory, don't you think? Lk 21:20-24, shows that Jerusalem falls and the people are scattered.

 

[abcdef]

39 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Calling me unreasonable, hmmm? Harrumph!

The reason they will be burning wooden weapons is that all of the modern ones will either have been used up or destroyed by then. As well as the technological capacity to rebuild them.

(Ezek 38-39), So, every modern weapon will be gone and they will forget how to make them? All the nukes, missiles, AR 15's, bombs, mines, grenades, pistols, shotguns, military ships, in every part of the planet will be gone?  I doubt that.

The Ezek 38-39 war took place long ago. 

 

39 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

The catastrophic earth changes of the sixth seal and thereafter

The 6th seal is 70 AD.

 

39 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

, along with the depredations of that 200,000 million-man army, will assure this.

It says that the 200 mill army is horsemen. Presently there are only 60 mill horses worldwide. So I guess we will have to wait until there are over 200 mill horses for the 6th trumpet battle to take place,..... Unless the horsemen are symbolic.

 

39 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Despite what pre-tribbers tell us, the Ezekiel 38-39 war is the last, not first, war of the End Times, being the Rev. 19 = Zech. 14 war.

According to Rev 20 the last war is when Jerusalem is surrounded, and not Rev 19.

 

39 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

7th Bowl, Exodus: Joshua – Yeshua – and the Israelites defeated the many armies gathered together against them on ʻthe day the sun stood still.ʼ “[T]he earth trembled and shook” amidst a great storm (Jasher 89:15), and great hailstones fell from heaven. The Canaanite armies were routed and slaughtered, and their kings were captured alive and “cast into” a cave. Josh. 10 End Times: “[T]hunderings and lightnings…a mighty and great earthquake…great hail from heaven.” Jesus – Yeshua – and the armies of heaven descend to destroy the armies gathered together against them. The Beast and the False Prophet are captured alive, and “cast into” the lake of fire. Rev. 16:17-21; 19:11-21

 

39 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

The Armageddon battle of the 7th Bowl and Revelation 19 is that of Ezekiel 38-39, the only other place God mentions using “great hailstones” in war. Ezek. 38:22 Both passages also tell about Godʼs great feast for the birds:

Revelation 19:17 Come, gather together to the supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings…[and] mighty men… 

Ezekiel 39:17 …come, gather together…to my sacrificial meal …that you may… 18 eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of princes…

This is also the time of the battle of Zechariah 14: 

Zechariah 14:3 Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations… 7 It shall be one [unique] day that is known to the LORD…at evening it shall be light.

Compare Joshua 10:13-14 :

So the sun…did not hasten to go down… And there has been no day like that before…for the LORD fought for Israel.

Zechariah focuses on the battle for Jerusalem, while Ezekiel focuses on the greater battle against the assembled armies gathered in the Plain of Esdraelon/Megiddo. However, both passages, as also Revelation 16:18, speak of the tremendous earthquake that will take place. Ezek. 38:19-20; Zech. 14:4-5 Both also say that among the invaders, “every manʼs sword will be against his brother.” Ezek. 38:21; Zech. 14:13 So this is all one continuous conflict, fought over a wide area, in which the Lord personally fights. In Joshuaʼs day, the king of Jerusalem was the leader of the assembled heathen armies: this was a foreshadowing of the Latter Day battle for Jerusalem.

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2069-the-end-times-and-the-exodus-part-4/

 

 

The 7th vial/bowl, the Rev 19 battle, and the Ezek 38-39 battle, are all separate wars in different time periods.