abcdef Posted February 11, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Rev 20 has some literal, some symbolic, and some spiritual, events and entities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted February 11, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Author Share Posted February 11, 2023 Just now, abcdef said: Rev 20 has some literal, some symbolic, and some spiritual, events and entities. Jesus literally reigns over the Pentecost gospel kingdom. Then all human life on planet earth is ended by the fire from heaven, literally. --- The length of the reign is from the day of Pentecost until He comes for the gospel kingdom, yet to happen, soon. The 1000 years is symbolic. The dragon is symbolic. The chain is symbolic. The label of Magog is symbolic. -- The deception of Magog is a spiritual deception. The reign of the saints is a spiritual reign, over the souls of the gospel kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted February 11, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,625 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,366 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2023 Good thing the 300 prophecies about Jesus, given up to 600 years before He came, were not allegorical. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted February 11, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Author Share Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Diaste said: Good thing the 300 prophecies about Jesus, given up to 600 years before He came, were not allegorical. I guess that you don't know what symbolism is. Or maybe you are just mixed up. I didn't say allegorical, I said symbolic. Jonah was in the belly of the whale for 3 days, Jesus was in the grave for 3 days, is Jonah's experience symbolic of Jesus in the grave? ---- The chain in Rev 20 is not literally a chain if iron, it is symbolic of a restriction on Satan's activities. The dragon v 2, is not a literal dragon. Oh, but maybe you think that it is? Edited February 12, 2023 by abcdef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bible_Gazer Posted February 11, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 450 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 152 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/05/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2023 Is the beheaded saints literal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted February 11, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Author Share Posted February 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bible_Gazer said: Is the beheaded saints literal ? Name one saint, that is shown in the Bible that was beheaded for the Word of God? John the Baptist. He was resurrected with Jesus in 33 AD. He lives and reigns now. He was killed by Rome, the beast nation of Dan 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcdef Posted February 12, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,405 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 135 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2020 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/14/1951 Author Share Posted February 12, 2023 12 hours ago, Diaste said: Good thing the 300 prophecies about Jesus, given up to 600 years before He came, were not allegorical. Is the "first resurrection" of Rev 20, literally the first resurrection? If it is literally the "first", then it would be the resurrection of Jesus in 33 AD, confirmed by Paul in 1 Cor 15:23-24, Paul called it the "first", Jesus, first fruits. If you go by the pretrib timeline, then it cannot be the literal first resurrection, because pretrib has 2, 3, 4, or more resurrections before it. That would make the first resurrection of Rev 20, literally, the 3rd, 4th, or 5th, etc., resurrection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted February 12, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,625 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,366 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2023 16 hours ago, abcdef said: I guess that you don't know what symbolism is. Or maybe you are just mixed up. I didn't say allegorical, I said symbolic. Yes. I do know. You are presenting symbolic representations. That's allegory. 16 hours ago, abcdef said: Jonah was in the belly of the whale for 3 days, Jesus was in the grave for 3 days, is Jonah's experience symbolic of Jesus in the grave? People say it is. It's probably much simpler. Do what our Father says or reap the consequences. 16 hours ago, abcdef said: The chain in Rev 20 is not literally a chain if iron, it is symbolic of a restriction on Satan's activities. An allegory. A symbolic representation. 16 hours ago, abcdef said: The dragon v 2, is not a literal dragon. Oh, but maybe you think that it is? I try to stand back from such things. For instance, the dragon. Is it a real dragon like is depicted in Asia and the movies? It doesn't sound plausible to people who think they are reasonable and sane. Have you seen the description of the living creature in Rev 4? What about Ezekiel 1 and the four living creatures? Personally, the idea of an actual dragon is implausible but far from impossible. I'm not making that call until I see the prophecy manifest. 300 prophecies fulfilled in the person of Jesus and all were manifest in real, physical form; that is just one example from among hundreds of prophecies. I have no reason to think any prophecy is an allegory containing mere symbols. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted February 12, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,625 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,366 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2023 8 hours ago, abcdef said: Is the "first resurrection" of Rev 20, literally the first resurrection? If it is literally the "first", then it would be the resurrection of Jesus in 33 AD, confirmed by Paul in 1 Cor 15:23-24, Paul called it the "first", Jesus, first fruits. If you go by the pretrib timeline, then it cannot be the literal first resurrection, because pretrib has 2, 3, 4, or more resurrections before it. That would make the first resurrection of Rev 20, literally, the 3rd, 4th, or 5th, etc., resurrection. As I have said many times the 1st resurrection of Rev 20 is a protos resurrection. That's chief, important, special, etc. In addition the idea of 'prote' is first of what follows. So in truth it's the chief resurrection of two resurrections at the end of the age. In the timeline of all resurrections of all time it would probably be the 20th resurrection. This is why we can know it's not first in order from Adam, but 1st in order of what ensues and the chief of what follows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bible_Gazer Posted February 12, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 450 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 152 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/05/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2023 13 hours ago, abcdef said: Name one saint, that is shown in the Bible that was beheaded for the Word of God? John the Baptist. He was resurrected with Jesus in 33 AD. He lives and reigns now. He was killed by Rome, the beast nation of Dan 7. Well it says they were. So what is the symbolic of it ? How do you know John was resurrected, I don't think Rome killed him, Herod had that done. I don't read that anybody was resurrected with Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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