Hillson Posted November 5, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 156 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/18/1978 Share Posted November 5, 2005 We read the bible as we can see that God created everythings in 6 days.. Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. in this chapter, we see that God created time behide, just because light and darkness a cryle is the first day, it meant God created time. isn't it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomotalking Posted November 5, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,838 Content Per Day: 0.40 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1991 Share Posted November 5, 2005 That is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomotalking Posted November 5, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,838 Content Per Day: 0.40 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1991 Share Posted November 5, 2005 Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godrulz Posted November 5, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 885 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1960 Share Posted November 5, 2005 God created the heavens and the earth in 6 literal days. The universe is not millions of years old, but is only 1000s of years old. The Flood explains the geology. Carbon dating is problematic. http://www.icr.org Time is not a thing nor is it space (Einstein was speculative in aspects of relativity). It is simply duration, succession, sequence. Time was not created. It is an aspect of any personal being's experience, including God. Time is not a limitation for God. His endless time does not run out and He can be everywhere at once and do many things at once (unlike us). He is from everlasting to everlasting (Ps. 90:2). Tensed expressions are used of God (Rev. 1:4, 8). Timelessness or 'eternal now' is a pagan Greek philosophical concept (Platonic, etc.). It was introduced into Christianity by Augustine, who was influenced by Greek philosophy. Timelessness is incoherent. The triune God thought, acted, felt, related, loved, communicated, etc. from all eternity. These things are not possible if there is no sequence or duration in God's existence before creation. http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0830815511...424#reader-link I agree with Wolterstorff's view (unqualified divine temporality...click on next page for contents). This has implications for omniscience and foreknowledge as developed by Open Theism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomotalking Posted November 5, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,838 Content Per Day: 0.40 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1991 Share Posted November 5, 2005 God is outside of Time. Of course He created it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted November 5, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2005 The argument against timelessness is weak. For one, if we accept that God exist within time, then He becomes limited. He MUST have a beginning. This means God is not limitless and must have been created or evolved out of something. Secondly, just because we cannot understand it or because the Bible says they've existed for eternity, doesn't mean it's wrong. It means we cannot fathom anything outside of time because it is what we have grown up in, we have no other expirience. Thus it is impossible for us to fathom it. We cannot fault the Bible either for explaining things to us within a timeframe which we understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlindSeeker Posted November 5, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,038 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 425 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2005 Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. In order for Jesus to qualify as the prophetic "Christ" He had to be, by necessity, simultaneously both God and Man. Were Jesus not 100% God, and 100% man, He could not be what He claims to be in Revelation 22:16, both "the root and offspring of David." As the "root of David" we see Jesus as "The Everlasting Father" of Isaiah 9:6. As the "offspring of David" we see Him as the "man child" or "son" promised at the fall of man. Jesus is not merely some subservient offspring of "Father God." No, He and the Father are one. Jesus is The Mighty God. This is what Isaiah 9:6 plainly tells us. Perhaps the most common stumbling block concerning Jesus' deity is an apparent inability to answer the question, "How can Jesus be the Everlasting Father and still pray to the Father?" Good question. Nevertheless, Isaiah said the "Prince of Peace" would be none other than "The Everlasting Father." Indeed it is a mystery, but just because something is a mystery does not make it impossible. A mystery is simply proof of ignorance, a lack of knowledge and understanding. This time discussion is a good basic guideline for understanding Christ, the God/man. Remember that God in His pure essence "is a spirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldog Posted November 5, 2005 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 21 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/02/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2005 (edited) sorry, wrong post. Edited November 12, 2005 by caldog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldog Posted November 5, 2005 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 21 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/02/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 5, 2005 (edited) agreed. there is no such thing as timelessness. all of creation exists in time. God dwells in the eternal, or outside of time. we are now eternal souls since our creation. our hope is to dwell with God in eternity. The triune God is the only persons to have ever existed from everlasting. Edited November 12, 2005 by caldog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomotalking Posted November 8, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,838 Content Per Day: 0.40 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/18/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1991 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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