a woman and the service for GOD

[DaniJ87]

I think he was just trying to make some sort of statement that wouldn't get picked apart.... making the point that really is kind of missed here- we do tend to jump on each other a lot...

that said....

I believe what Paul wrote, when he said that women should not preach....

Saying that Paul called someone a "deaconess" doesn't mean anything to me. Show me the original language, and THEN say that. Deaconess is an interpretation.

This does not mean that women should not share the gospel with others, (men OR women), but it means that they shouldn't be the pastor, or sunday school teacher of adult men, etc.....

They are wonderful for the roles of teaching children, and in teen classes, I personally think there should be a team effort in teaching, (or a gender-separated class,) and they should be able to hold Bible-studies with friends.

I guess I see the "have authority over" as the major issue. If you have a Bible study, (in which some men happen to be present,) I don't think the woman should necessarily have to let the man lead everything... (this is a discussion type study...) because the Bible also says that there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, etc....

Now... Going back, all of the verses talking about women being in subjection, seems to be referring to their husbands... so this wouldn't necessarily project to all unmarried women, (not saying they should be pastors- but I don't have an issue with a woman holding a coed bible-study...)

Here:

Ephesians 5:22-24

22Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

23For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.

24But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

34The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.

35If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.

This to me says that this was a church thing- not necessarily a societal thing... it was part of how their church was ordered.

I mean- as an unmarried woman- I don't have a husband to be submissive to... (neither am I under my parent's household). I believe that it is a big principle that women are not pastors, (leaders of the church), but small groups of believers can study God's word together whatever the gender...

If you have a problem with something I wrote, please explain what's wrong... (and please without being offensive! :-) ) I like to learn things- and if you're Biblical, I'll change my view....

[kittylover0991]

I think he was just trying to make some sort of statement that wouldn't get picked apart.... making the point that really is kind of missed here- we do tend to jump on each other a lot...

that said....

I believe what Paul wrote, when he said that women should not preach....

Saying that Paul called someone a "deaconess" doesn't mean anything to me. Show me the original language, and THEN say that. Deaconess is an interpretation.

This does not mean that women should not share the gospel with others, (men OR women), but it means that they shouldn't be the pastor, or sunday school teacher of adult men, etc.....

They are wonderful for the roles of teaching children, and in teen classes, I personally think there should be a team effort in teaching, (or a gender-separated class,) and they should be able to hold Bible-studies with friends.

I guess I see the "have authority over" as the major issue. If you have a Bible study, (in which some men happen to be present,) I don't think the woman should necessarily have to let the man lead everything... (this is a discussion type study...) because the Bible also says that there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, etc....

Now... Going back, all of the verses talking about women being in subjection, seems to be referring to their husbands... so this wouldn't necessarily project to all unmarried women, (not saying they should be pastors- but I don't have an issue with a woman holding a coed bible-study...)

Here:

Ephesians 5:22-24

22Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

23For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.

24But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

34The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.

35If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.

This to me says that this was a church thing- not necessarily a societal thing... it was part of how their church was ordered.

I mean- as an unmarried woman- I don't have a husband to be submissive to... (neither am I under my parent's household). I believe that it is a big principle that women are not pastors, (leaders of the church), but small groups of believers can study God's word together whatever the gender...

If you have a problem with something I wrote, please explain what's wrong... (and please without being offensive! :-) ) I like to learn things- and if you're Biblical, I'll change my view....

Dani,

You surely wrote an interesting peice, and there are many things in there that have raised interest to me. Your views are one that does seem all to common, and especially among women who feel that women should have the same rights of men, especially in this society where women attempt to be the dominant figure. You say that women are not supposed to preach, and that there is a huge connection between "but I suffer not a women to teach" and "authority over the man". As a lady, (says with a grin), I completely and whole-heartedly agree with you and the many others that have posted on this thread!

Was just attempting to "give you a hard time" I also agree that those two are linked closely together, and I believe that women should not preach, but teach. The Lord has called me to be a teacher after I graduate from college I also believein the "split- gender thing".. such as Sunday schools, where the woman teaches over the girls, and the guy over the guys, unless there is only a man, then over both(wife with the husband in that case). Thankyou so much for you posts.

[50_Cent's_dog]

Women are so bueatifull. I bet noone can argue that. AMEN.

Some are beautiful and others are not. I think true beauty comes from with in.

[kittylover0991]

Women are so bueatifull. I bet noone can argue that. AMEN.

Some are beautiful and others are not. I think true beauty comes from with in.

Amen 50 cent The Lord seems to have given me this "unique(?)" ability to basically "paste" someone's personality to their face... I see a strange uglyness if they are rude, and I see beauty with the love of Christ...

Women should be modest in all their ways... serve the Lord with their hearts... Try to be a "Proverbs 31 woman"

Crystal

[gypc]

1 Timothy 3

1This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

8Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

9Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

10And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

11Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

12Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

13For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Nuff said

In his love,

Brian