sport123 Posted April 16, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 51 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted April 16, 2006 (edited) What's the truth? I hear some people say, you can have everything the Bible says you can have. From healing, to prosperity and companionship. Some say just ask once and thank God for receiving it. Then you will. But if you ask again, you are doubting and that nulls the prayer. And if you have any doubt, you want receive. Which is very discouraging and frustrating, because doubt comes sometimes. And some say, keep on asking until you receive. It's all so confusing. Some make it seem that we are in control of what we receive. Because life and death are in the tongue. I don't understand, because there are many Christian people who die early in life from diseases and are not healed from prayer. And in the Bible, Paul had a thorn, which no body knows what that was. And not everyone was healed in the Bible, or was blessed financially or married. But some people say that we can have all these things is we just believe. Which is confusing because so many faith filled Christians are suffering. Sometimes there are some people who are healed. I've heard that some people are healed by others prayer. And some have told me that no matter how many people pray for you, you must believe yourself or it won't come true. How in the world do you know if you are meant to be healed? How in the world are you suppose to keep thinking positive when hell breaks loose to discourage you. Because when you pray and start thanking God for the answer, discouragement comes in like a flood. And when you pray for years and nothing happens. I thought God was in control. These people make it seem like we are in control. I'm so stressed out about these things. And so discouraged. Because I want to be healed and I don't know what to do anymore. I've never seen a miracle. I've never experienced a miracle. How can I have my prayers answered. Help! Sport123 Edited April 16, 2006 by sport123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted April 16, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted April 16, 2006 Mate, you're a victim of well intentioned but misguided people in the church. For one, God doesn't always heal us. The thorn in the flesh is refering to an eye problem that Paul had. Look over to Galatians and this is validated when he talks about how the Galatian people had sympathy on him because of the eye disease he was suffering from. The reason God doesn't heal us of all physical ailments is that these are a part of the fall. Even though we belong to Him, we still suffer certain elements of the fall. The fact we all die shows that God does not heal us completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanasimmons Posted April 16, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 335 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/05/1967 Share Posted April 16, 2006 In a book called"Fast Facts On False Religion" by Ed Decker/Ron Carlson,there is a section called The Prosperity Theology it says; Idolatry is not simply worshiping a stone image;idolatry is any concept of God that reduces Him to less than who He really is. There is a false religion growing in our land,and it is called the prosperity theology. Many christians are being swept into this false religion by promises of finalcial prosperity,by claims that God always wants them healthy,wealthy,and prosperous. This gospel message has become idolatry by reducing God to someone who is there to give us what we want.This gospel says,"Ask not what you can do for God,but what can He do for you?" It Is A Religious Mind Science If you don't have the health and wealth promised,the promoters' easy out is to shame you with false guilt. They'll say"You must have sin in your life" or "You don't have enough faith". Thus the victim ends up on a treadmill trying even harder to work the success formula. This whole philosophy of visualizing and claiming our"inheritance" is religious mind science. It is a conterfeit religion. It is a product of a western, materialistic mentality,a humanistic philosphy that reduces God to a servant of man,a god that man can manipulate for his own selfish gain. It's the new idolatry. That is not even one page out of 17,it's an easy read if you decide to buy one.$8.00 Scriptures it suggests to read; Matt 6:19-21;Phil. 1:12-20;John 16:33; Phil. 4:6-13,19; Phil 3:7-11,13,14;Prov. 3:5,6; James 1:2-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
followerofjesus Posted April 16, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 31 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,013 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/08/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted April 16, 2006 Cut out the middle man of church who say things for selfish purposes of man-made ministry. Read the scripture yourself. It rains on the just & the unjust. The health prosperity message being put out by the manmade churches is very damaging to peoples' faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamusat Posted April 21, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 102 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/26/1961 Share Posted April 21, 2006 I completely and totally agree with followerofJesus. Blessings, kamusat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted April 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted April 21, 2006 It is hard I think this life is often very hard and for some much harder than others. We don't have an explanation for that. However our true prayer has been answered, Christ has risen from the dead, and we have eternal life in Him. This life in comparison is nothing, all of us, regardless if we had health, or wealth or had poverty and sickness in this life, are going to one place in this life, and that is the grave, our life here is but a shadow, smoke, or like grass. So the true prayer the important one of all of us who believes in Christ has been accomplished, and we can be so thankful for that. Nothing can hurt us or separate us from the love of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hat_town21 Posted April 21, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 59 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/25/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/10/1984 Share Posted April 21, 2006 Sometimes we forget that the answer God gives us isn't the one we are looking for so we miss it. Loved ones die all the time even with prayer to save them. But God's time and perfect will isn't always ours. Sometimes we pray with an agenda. Just remember God's agenda is always right :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
followerofjesus Posted May 1, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 31 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,013 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/08/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 1, 2006 Very refreshing; Peace to all brothers & sisters in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kewler then ^ Posted May 1, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 48 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/27/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1989 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Mate, you're a victim of well intentioned but misguided people in the church. For one, God doesn't always heal us. The thorn in the flesh is refering to an eye problem that Paul had. Look over to Galatians and this is validated when he talks about how the Galatian people had sympathy on him because of the eye disease he was suffering from. The reason God doesn't heal us of all physical ailments is that these are a part of the fall. Even though we belong to Him, we still suffer certain elements of the fall. The fact we all die shows that God does not heal us completely. Great point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlejoe Posted May 2, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 125 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/08/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 2, 2006 I hope this maybe of help to you.We worship and pray to God. He is a prayer hearing and answering God.This is the way it works for me. God hears and answers in His perfect timing. Sometimes it yes,sometimes it is no, and sometimes it is wait. The first one is easy we know right away,the second is alittle harder to handle, and the third is definetly tough. But we must remember if it is no,He has something better in mind for us,and He gives us the Grace to accept and sustain us even though He said no. As for the third, we may keep knocking,until we know that the answer is no. Try to keep His promises in mind when you pray,I will turn all things to the good of those that love God and are called according to His purpose. Now that may not be the exact scripture,I don't qoute The Bible, but it is in The Word of God. Someone on This Board could probably give the verse so you can see for yourself. Love in Christ littlejoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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